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Re: SM stern bumper paint

greatketch@...
 

I used a water-based rubber paint formulation that was recommended both hypalon and PVC. It works well. In general, PVC is the more difficult material to get something to stick to because the plasticizers that are used to make it flexible tend to coat the surface with an "oily" layer.

The bumper appears to be a polyurethane foam.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

eric freedman
 

Hi Paul,

If it was oil and water then it would have been the lip seal on the thruster prop shaft.

 

If it is 100% oil, then my guess is that you added more than .3 liters of oil to the thruster, or you did not drain it completely.

I had some liquid grease drip down the bow thruster towards the shaft lip seal. My thruster started making a grinding noise.

I found that the lower bearing of the motor had come apart and the grease had liquefied,

I had the motor overhauled with a new bearing and all is well, The motor was also very hot with the bad bearing.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pstas2003
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

 

 

Hello Eric.  I hope all is well.

I appears to be just oil.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Joel.  Nice to hear from you.

The coatings on the motor are fine.  What came out appears to be just oil.  We just serviced the unit 4 months ago.  I’m wondering if we may have added too much oil during the service although I don’t think so.

Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Eric.  I hope all is well.

I appears to be just oil.

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Alternator replacement

Paul Osterberg
 

Rink
In Nydri just south Levkas in the strait (Tranquil bay)  leading in to the almost landlocked  You find a man who in his workshop do repair at very reasonable cost most alternators. I do not remember his name, but you can ask in any chandlery there and they can direct you to him. He made an overhaul on our alternator changed bearings all for 70 euro if I remember right.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


SM stern bumper paint

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
I've been advised to give my stern bumper a coat of inflatable boat paint once a year or so to ensure longevity.  Should this be paint for PVC or Hypalon boats?  Do we know the material the stern bumper is made out of?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternator replacement

Mark Pitt
 

Mine is alternator is a  Leece-Neville model 8SC3009ZA.  Hope that helps.

  Mark Pitt

   Sabbatical III, SM#419, Spain


On 2/12/2018 11:29 AM, Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


The 24V alternator on my Yanmar 4JH3TE engine (2001) needs replacement. I can't decipher the model and make of it.
Does anyone recently replaced it and /or have a recommendation for this?
I am currently in Greece (Lefkada) and the local repair shop is struggling with it.

Many thanks
Rink de Haan
SY Razor's Edge
Amel SM2K #330




Re: Alternator replacement

mfmcgovern@...
 

It should be a Leece-Neville alternator.  I don't know the exact model of the alternator but there are several files for the alternator in the Files section of this forum include a service manual that might help the local repair shop.  Here is the link to the service manual:  https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Leece-Neville+Service+Manual.pdf?token=bTCl6lyiAk2ioWEmwpwxbAk_H2ykJo9ArlSYdAwKcMe4-PY5g3vS8C2omqoxzBpIak8S3b4G1HO6t-ScK2sF5PzOUDnTOI1_z_iRP7v9VSTpho2if9pQT3dBrHAheVkdKuky&type=download

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Alternator replacement

Rink De Haan
 

The 24V alternator on my Yanmar 4JH3TE engine (2001) needs replacement. I can't decipher the model and make of it.
Does anyone recently replaced it and /or have a recommendation for this?
I am currently in Greece (Lefkada) and the local repair shop is struggling with it.

Many thanks
Rink de Haan
SY Razor's Edge
Amel SM2K #330


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

   Dave Wallace, SV Air Ops is who needed information about the stuffing box packing.   I told him that 5/16” fits the packing gland on Maramu #220.  Is the packing on your boat also 5/16"?

   No need to remove your oil pressure sensor, but thank you for that offer.  I hope that you were able to purchase the used 4.154 and that you can put together a reliable engine.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:55 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi there James
hoping not to misunderstand your original query
I came across the drawing for the stuffing box installed on the propeller shaft - see attachment
matches perfectly the original as mounted on Maramu 116

concerning the engine block oïl pressure tap, I fitted the old one but did not check the size;
if stuck, I will take it out & check threads ...

fair Wind
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - in Le Main Martinique





Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎11‎ ‎février‎ ‎2018‎ ‎22‎:‎59‎:‎36‎ ‎GMT, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 

Dave,


  Thanks for the information on the 4.154 sender and especially for confirming the NPT threads.  I will just add a few adaptors to my install kit and should be all set.   I have ordered from Parts4engines.com and have been very happy with what I received and the quick response time.

  I repacked Sueño’s stuffing box last summer and the 5/16” was the correct size.  I think that the packing size is normally determined by the shaft diameter so I assume that yours should take the same size too.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:21 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, 

That sounds familiar so is just what I need. 

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it. 

Thank for the quick response! 

Dave Wallace 
s/v Air Ops 
Maramu #104 
Sea of Cortex, Mx 


On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 

> Dave, 
> 
> My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> James Alton 
> SV Sueño 
> Maramu #220 
> Arbatax, Italy 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance! 
>> 
>> Dave Wallace 
>> s/v Air Ops 
>> Maramu#104 
>> Sea of Cortez, Mx 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

amelforme
 

Hi Paul. If the bow thruster lube oil has some water in it, and it almost always does, it tends to ‘froth’ if the thruster is used real hard. Unless the coatings on the motor are cracked and peeling, you probably didn’t toast anything. A service and seal change might not be a bad idea and I would do it if you have the ‘change in the water tool’. Pretty sure you could get one from Amel in Martinique; much cheaper than a haul out.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pstas2003
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

 

 

Good day to all,

Yesterday we had to dock the boat in very windy conditions and the bow thruster got way more use than I have ever subjected it to before.  When I went below, I smelled a slight burning smell and immediately went forward.  The thruster was hot, very hot, but fortunately not burning.

After it cooled, I smelled gear oil and when I removed the face panel and took a thorough look, there was a small amount of gear lube dripping down the shaft and a small puddle of lube in the bow thruster locker floor - approximately 50 mls.

I have always tried to make sure I didn’t keep the thruster on for more than 10 or 15 seconds, but I guess yesterday I didn’t pause long enough between use.  The thruster appears to be working just fine, but the oil confuses me.  Did we overfill the unit when we serviced it last October, or did the unit get so hot that some boiled out?  

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Should I be concerned about the abuse I subjected the thruster to yesterday, or like most things on these boats was the unit over engineered to handle such abuse?

Should I just add another 50 mls of lube and monitor it, or should I drop the unit for further inspection?

My appreciation to all who take the time to respond with their thoughts and wisdom.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com

 


Bow Thruster Abuse

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Good day to all,

Yesterday we had to dock the boat in very windy conditions and the bow thruster got way more use than I have ever subjected it to before.  When I went below, I smelled a slight burning smell and immediately went forward.  The thruster was hot, very hot, but fortunately not burning.

After it cooled, I smelled gear oil and when I removed the face panel and took a thorough look, there was a small amount of gear lube dripping down the shaft and a small puddle of lube in the bow thruster locker floor - approximately 50 mls.

I have always tried to make sure I didn’t keep the thruster on for more than 10 or 15 seconds, but I guess yesterday I didn’t pause long enough between use.  The thruster appears to be working just fine, but the oil confuses me.  Did we overfill the unit when we serviced it last October, or did the unit get so hot that some boiled out?  

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Should I be concerned about the abuse I subjected the thruster to yesterday, or like most things on these boats was the unit over engineered to handle such abuse?

Should I just add another 50 mls of lube and monitor it, or should I drop the unit for further inspection?

My appreciation to all who take the time to respond with their thoughts and wisdom.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

eric freedman
 

Was it just oil, or oil and water mixed?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pstas2003
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

 

 

Good day to all,

Yesterday we had to dock the boat in very windy conditions and the bow thruster got way more use than I have ever subjected it to before.  When I went below, I smelled a slight burning smell and immediately went forward.  The thruster was hot, very hot, but fortunately not burning.

After it cooled, I smelled gear oil and when I removed the face panel and took a thorough look, there was a small amount of gear lube dripping down the shaft and a small puddle of lube in the bow thruster locker floor - approximately 50 mls.

I have always tried to make sure I didn’t keep the thruster on for more than 10 or 15 seconds, but I guess yesterday I didn’t pause long enough between use.  The thruster appears to be working just fine, but the oil confuses me.  Did we overfill the unit when we serviced it last October, or did the unit get so hot that some boiled out?  

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Should I be concerned about the abuse I subjected the thruster to yesterday, or like most things on these boats was the unit over engineered to handle such abuse?

Should I just add another 50 mls of lube and monitor it, or should I drop the unit for further inspection?

My appreciation to all who take the time to respond with their thoughts and wisdom.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

eric freedman
 

Hi Alexandre,

The one that AMEL sent me are too big for my track.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:29 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

 

 

Good morning Eric,

They cost 0.10 Euro from Amel
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_10_amel_facture.pdf

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 2/12/18, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, February 12, 2018, 6:46 AM


 









Vladimir,Do you have the part
number?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib
Track Plugs    I used back rubber plugs. I
cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no
problem yet. You can buy them from McMaster
very inexpensive.Vladimir
SM
345 "LIFE IS GOOD"  On Feb 10, 2018 16:13,
"greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]
" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:   
 Last year we replaced all the plugs
that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the
bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered
them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they
were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected
to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a
year later they are all crumbling
away.
 Has
anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?
 or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I
haven’t been able to track anything
down..
 In
the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of
plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be
something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I
ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts
soaking in salt water constantly.
 Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieFreeport,
Bahamas.
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

They cost 0.10 Euro from Amel
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_10_amel_facture.pdf

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 2/12/18, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, February 12, 2018, 6:46 AM


 









Vladimir,Do you have the part
number?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib
Track Plugs    I used back rubber plugs. I
cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no
problem yet. You can buy them from McMaster
very inexpensive.Vladimir
SM
345 "LIFE IS GOOD"  On Feb 10, 2018 16:13,
"greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:   
 Last year we replaced all the plugs
that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the
bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered
them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they
were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected
to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a
year later they are all crumbling
away.
 Has
anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?
 or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I
haven’t been able to track anything
down..
 In
the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of
plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be
something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I
ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts
soaking in salt water constantly.
 Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieFreeport,
Bahamas.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

eric freedman
 

Vladimir,

Do you have the part number?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

 

 

I used back rubber plugs. I cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no problem yet. 

You can buy them from McMaster very inexpensive.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

 

On Feb 10, 2018 16:13, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Last year we replaced all the plugs that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a year later they are all crumbling away.

 

Has anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?  or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I haven’t been able to track anything down..

 

In the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts soaking in salt water constantly.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Freeport, Bahamas.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I used back rubber plugs. I cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no problem yet. 
You can buy them from McMaster very inexpensive.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Feb 10, 2018 16:13, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 



Last year we replaced all the plugs that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a year later they are all crumbling away.

Has anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?  or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I haven’t been able to track anything down.

In the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts soaking in salt water constantly.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie

Freeport, Bahamas.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there James
hoping not to misunderstand your original query
I came across the drawing for the stuffing box installed on the propeller shaft - see attachment
matches perfectly the original as mounted on Maramu 116

concerning the engine block oïl pressure tap, I fitted the old one but did not check the size;
if stuck, I will take it out & check threads ...

fair Wind
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - in Le Main Martinique





Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎11‎ ‎février‎ ‎2018‎ ‎22‎:‎59‎:‎36‎ ‎GMT, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Dave,


  Thanks for the information on the 4.154 sender and especially for confirming the NPT threads.  I will just add a few adaptors to my install kit and should be all set.   I have ordered from Parts4engines.com and have been very happy with what I received and the quick response time.

  I repacked Sueño’s stuffing box last summer and the 5/16” was the correct size.  I think that the packing size is normally determined by the shaft diameter so I assume that yours should take the same size too.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:21 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, 

That sounds familiar so is just what I need. 

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it. 

Thank for the quick response! 

Dave Wallace 
s/v Air Ops 
Maramu #104 
Sea of Cortex, Mx 


On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 

> Dave, 
> 
> My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> James Alton 
> SV Sueño 
> Maramu #220 
> Arbatax, Italy 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance! 
>> 
>> Dave Wallace 
>> s/v Air Ops 
>> Maramu#104 
>> Sea of Cortez, Mx 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thanks again for the feedback.  

I am still thinking that the 40kg from the bottom of the locker during emergency might be an issue if I need if I need to take it out while injured.  As you say the probable moment when you would want to evacuate the boat would be in case of fire when you have no desire to be fighting with a heavy cargo at the bottom of a locker on the side of the engine room or galley.  I shall be looking for a way to have the life-raft on deck in a holder on the rails probably stern port. (As far as possible from the potential fire locations.)

I will finalise the options as soon as I get to the boat next month.

Thanks for the feedback.

On 11 Feb 2018, at 16:38, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi All,

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 We keep ours in the locker..

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails
 


As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thanks again for the feedback.  

I am still thinking that the 40kg from the bottom of the locker during emergency might be an issue if I need if I need to take it out while injured.  You would probably only want to evacuate the boat in case of fire when you have no desire to be fighting with a heavy cargo at the bottom of a locker on the side of the engine room or near the galley.  I shall be looking for a way to have the life-raft on deck in a holder on the rails probably stern port. (As far as possible from the potential fire locations.)

Redouan Stella SM359

On 11 Feb 2018, at 16:38, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi All,

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 We keep ours in the locker..

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece

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Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails
 


As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.