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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Berth conversion

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang, We modified our bed in the aft cabin and it is a successful change.  We started by removing the single bed from the stbd side and replaced it with extra cabinets.  This is very good.

Then we widened the base of the bed and reduced the width of the aisle.  Bed is still 190 CMS long but 165 CM at the head and 140 at the foot.

I can provide photos if needed.

It was a costly mod and not very well done by the "turkeys in Turkey"; you know the ones I’m talking about.  But after a good carpenter fixed the issues, it is a lovely place to sleep and retains the lee boards etc.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Pacific Panama



On 28 Feb 2018, at 21:14, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Jay, 

I had that nightmare once.😀 I don't want to be rude, but the very best advice I can give to you, or anyone considering an Amel is wait until you own your Amel for a year before you start redesigning it. If you are like every Amel owner I  know, you will be thankful for this advice. And if there is a feature that Amel doesn't offer that you want and cannot do without it, you are looking at the wrong brand. 

BTW, Amel 54, 55, and 64 have center line berths. They are not so good for passage making.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 1, 2018 10:51, "Jay Hosford  [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Anyone ever thought of converting the master berth to a centerline? Saw a super maramu done this way the other day. Looked nice. Interested in what the pros and cons are







Re: Re :[Amel Yacht Owners] OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

smiles bernard
 

Hi Christian
I'd also be really interested in the step by step details if you find them
Many thanks in advance
Miles

On Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:32:22 PM GMT, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Good day to you

Yes toucan
Did it when refurbishing Desirade VIII Maramu 116 in 2016
Will send copies of drawings showing how it is built (guess copies are in files somewhere)
I will check old topics as I remember detailing a step by step at the time.
Fair wind

Christian alby Desirade VIII Maramu 116 - le Marin Martinique



Le jeu., mars 1, 2018 à 12:15, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 

Good morning to all,

Has anyone in this group ever removed the rudder from an Older Maramu? Is this possible?

Alex Paquin

SIMPATICO

Older Maramu #94, 1981



Re: OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Alex,

your rudder is supported by a pintle bearing, a piece made of stainless steel where the bottom of the rudder shaft sits.
This part is bolted into the base of the skeg. You will find the bolts if you sand off the GRP that covers these bolts.
You will also need to remove the U-shaped stainless steel part that bears a nylon bushing, at mid-height. This part is also bolted into the skeg. Sand off and you'll find the bolts.
Then, in aft cabin, you need to remove the steering cables quadrant from the rudder shaft top, and open the nylon nut stuffing box.

What is the reason why you want to remove the rudder blade?

Have a good day.

Olivier


Re :[Amel Yacht Owners] OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Good day to you
Yes toucan
Did it when refurbishing Desirade VIII Maramu 116 in 2016
Will send copies of drawings showing how it is built (guess copies are in files somewhere)
I will check old topics as I remember detailing a step by step at the time.
Fair wind

Christian alby Desirade VIII Maramu 116 - le Marin Martinique

Le jeu., mars 1, 2018 à 12:15, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 

Good morning to all,

Has anyone in this group ever removed the rudder from an Older Maramu? Is this possible?

Alex Paquin

SIMPATICO

Older Maramu #94, 1981



OLDER MARAMU RUB RAIL REPLACEMENT

Alejandro Paquin
 

Good morning to all,

I have removed the old rubrail from our boat. It is on the hard now, getting some serious done work on the hull and the keel.

The rubrail was in place with one inch aluminum nails. I am replacing the whole thing with an Amel supplied spare. Has anyone done this? Can one use a nail gun to put in the new nails?

Any suggestions?


Alex Paquin

SIMPATICO

Older Maramu 1981, #94


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Greg,

I paid once a year at the beginning of the insurance year (October for me).

I was likely to move to Y yachts, we had been in communication.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2/28/18, Gregory Shea gmshea@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 5:43 PM


 













Alexandre, 
I was wondering if
you paid all of the annual premium at the beginning of the
insurance year or were you paying it month by month? I used
to have Helvetia, I now have Y Yachts. 



Greg Shea

Sharki 133, Cap des Iles


Catania






From: amelyachtowners@...
<amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 1:23 PM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update -
still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.
 

 



Good afternoon Danny,



The insurance is Helvetia/GroupAma contracted through
Insurance De Lassee.



Here is the latest, sorry it is in French see below:



In short, even thought my boat is a total loss, and even
thought my lawyer wrote them a letter after the January
letter saying I was late to pay the premium, I should have
sent a certified letter.


So now I am late for the payment and are going to take legal
action to get the paiement plus fees to recover that
paiement ?!?


This is absolutely crazy.



Here is the french message:



Conformément à votre demande, la

résiliation du contrat d’assurance pour non-paiement
de

la prime est prévue par l’article L 113-3 du code des

assurances qui stipule :



« …A défaut de paiement d’une

prime ou d’une fraction de prime, dans les dix jours de

son échéance, et indépendamment du droit pour

l’assureur de poursuivre l’exécution du contrat en

justice, la garantie ne peut être suspendue que trente

jours après la mise en demeure de l’assuré. Au cas


la prime annuelle a été fractionnée, la suspension de
la

garantie, intervenue en cas de non-paiement d’une des

fractions de prime, produit ses effets jusqu’à

l’expiration de la période annuelle considérée. La

prime ou fraction de prime est portable dans tous les
cas,

après la mise en demeure de l’assuré.

  L’assureur a le droit de résilier

le contrat dix jours après l’expiration du délai de

trente jours mentionné au deuxième alinéa du présent

article.

  Le contrat non résilié reprend pour

l’avenir ses effets, à midi le lendemain du jour où
ont

été payés à l’assureur ou au mandataire désigné
par

lui à cet effet, la prime arriérée ou, en cas de

fractionnement de la prime annuelle, les fractions de
prime

ayant fait l’objet de la mise en demeure et celles
venues

à échéance pendant la période de suspension ainsi
que,

éventuellement, les frais de poursuites et de
recouvrement.

»



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2/28/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still
asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 11:46 AM





 





















They never let up do they. You will need to remind us

who this company is.Kind RegardsDannySM

299 Ocean PearlOn 01 March 2018 at 02:13

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



  Good morning,





Even thought I said I

would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the

entire story, I have to post what is going on now and
again

URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.



January 5, my insurance sent

me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance
premium

(due by November 2017).

Prior the January

5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking
to

renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT
sunk

September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by
the

insurance…



Despite a

letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another

letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I
still

haven’t paid the premium.



They insist I still owe the premium and sent

me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in

French).



I suspect they

refer to article 8.4.4

“en cas de perte

totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau

assure”.

(in short: in case of total

loss so my case)

THEN it says:

“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le

jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera
réglée”.



(in short it says the insurance will stop

the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).

So in other words, as long as the insurance is

not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously?
Crazy.





Since they are offering

75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to

collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time

“1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to
me

in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years

(since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident
in

Nassau over 3 years ago).



For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY

that premium.



Bandits,

crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that
come

to my head now.





Sincerely,

Alexandre


OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

Alejandro Paquin
 

Good morning to all,

Has anyone in this group ever removed the rudder from an Older Maramu? Is this possible?

Alex Paquin

SIMPATICO

Older Maramu #94, 1981



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Berth conversion

Peter Forbes
 

I agree with Bill. Our 54 has normal centre line double berth which is redundant on passage despite Lee boards.

Peter
Carango
Amel 54  # 035
St Lucia


On 1 Mar 2018, at 02:14, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay, 

I had that nightmare once.😀 I don't want to be rude, but the very best advice I can give to you, or anyone considering an Amel is wait until you own your Amel for a year before you start redesigning it. If you are like every Amel owner I  know, you will be thankful for this advice. And if there is a feature that Amel doesn't offer that you want and cannot do without it, you are looking at the wrong brand. 

BTW, Amel 54, 55, and 64 have center line berths. They are not so good for passage making.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 1, 2018 10:51, "Jay Hosford  [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Anyone ever thought of converting the master berth to a centerline? Saw a super maramu done this way the other day. Looked nice. Interested in what the pros and cons are





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Berth conversion

james Hosford
 

Well that was my concern.  It looks good on the new modern boats but is it practical if you are going to sail it.   Be nice to still be able to wedge against the bulkhead when its rough.


On Feb 28, 2018, at 8:14 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay, 

I had that nightmare once.😀 I don't want to be rude, but the very best advice I can give to you, or anyone considering an Amel is wait until you own your Amel for a year before you start redesigning it. If you are like every Amel owner I  know, you will be thankful for this advice. And if there is a feature that Amel doesn't offer that you want and cannot do without it, you are looking at the wrong brand. 

BTW, Amel 54, 55, and 64 have center line berths. They are not so good for passage making.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 1, 2018 10:51, "Jay Hosford  [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Anyone ever thought of converting the master berth to a centerline? Saw a super maramu done this way the other day. Looked nice. Interested in what the pros and cons are





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Berth conversion

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jay, 

I had that nightmare once.😀 I don't want to be rude, but the very best advice I can give to you, or anyone considering an Amel is wait until you own your Amel for a year before you start redesigning it. If you are like every Amel owner I  know, you will be thankful for this advice. And if there is a feature that Amel doesn't offer that you want and cannot do without it, you are looking at the wrong brand. 

BTW, Amel 54, 55, and 64 have center line berths. They are not so good for passage making.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 1, 2018 10:51, "Jay Hosford  [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Anyone ever thought of converting the master berth to a centerline? Saw a super maramu done this way the other day. Looked nice. Interested in what the pros and cons are





Berth conversion

james Hosford
 

Anyone ever thought of converting the master berth to a centerline? Saw a super maramu done this way the other day. Looked nice. Interested in what the pros and cons are


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Gregory Shea
 

Alexandre, 

I was wondering if you paid all of the annual premium at the beginning of the insurance year or were you paying it month by month? I used to have Helvetia, I now have Y Yachts. 


Greg Shea
Sharki 133, Cap des Iles
Catania



From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 1:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.
 
 

Good afternoon Danny,

The insurance is Helvetia/GroupAma contracted through Insurance De Lassee.

Here is the latest, sorry it is in French see below:

In short, even thought my boat is a total loss, and even thought my lawyer wrote them a letter after the January letter saying I was late to pay the premium, I should have sent a certified letter.
So now I am late for the payment and are going to take legal action to get the paiement plus fees to recover that paiement ?!?
This is absolutely crazy.

Here is the french message:

Conformément à votre demande, la
résiliation du contrat d’assurance pour non-paiement de
la prime est prévue par l’article L 113-3 du code des
assurances qui stipule :

« …A défaut de paiement d’une
prime ou d’une fraction de prime, dans les dix jours de
son échéance, et indépendamment du droit pour
l’assureur de poursuivre l’exécution du contrat en
justice, la garantie ne peut être suspendue que trente
jours après la mise en demeure de l’assuré. Au cas où
la prime annuelle a été fractionnée, la suspension de la
garantie, intervenue en cas de non-paiement d’une des
fractions de prime, produit ses effets jusqu’à
l’expiration de la période annuelle considérée. La
prime ou fraction de prime est portable dans tous les cas,
après la mise en demeure de l’assuré.
  L’assureur a le droit de résilier
le contrat dix jours après l’expiration du délai de
trente jours mentionné au deuxième alinéa du présent
article.
  Le contrat non résilié reprend pour
l’avenir ses effets, à midi le lendemain du jour où ont
été payés à l’assureur ou au mandataire désigné par
lui à cet effet, la prime arriérée ou, en cas de
fractionnement de la prime annuelle, les fractions de prime
ayant fait l’objet de la mise en demeure et celles venues
à échéance pendant la période de suspension ainsi que,
éventuellement, les frais de poursuites et de recouvrement.
»

--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2/28/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 11:46 AM


 










They never let up do they. You will need to remind us
who this company is.Kind RegardsDannySM
299 Ocean PearlOn 01 March 2018 at 02:13
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
wrote:

  Good morning,


Even thought I said I
would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the
entire story, I have to post what is going on now and again
URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.

January 5, my insurance sent
me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance premium
(due by November 2017).
Prior the January
5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking to
renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT sunk
September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by the
insurance…

Despite a
letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another
letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I still
haven’t paid the premium.

They insist I still owe the premium and sent
me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in
French).

I suspect they
refer to article 8.4.4
“en cas de perte
totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau
assure”.
(in short: in case of total
loss so my case)
THEN it says:
“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le
jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera réglée”.

(in short it says the insurance will stop
the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).
So in other words, as long as the insurance is
not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously? Crazy.


Since they are offering
75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to
collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time
“1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to me
in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years
(since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident in
Nassau over 3 years ago).

For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY
that premium.

Bandits,
crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that come
to my head now.


Sincerely,
Alexandre
 

















Posted by: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS




How to repair holes left by old electronics at nav station

Duane Siegfri
 

I have a Furuno GP7000 at the nav station that I'm going to replace with an ICOM M506-21 VHF radio (also has AIS RX and is N2K compliant).  This seemed like a good choice since it will be an AIS backup and includes the ability to add a remote handset, and has the PA/Foghorn features.


The Furuno has a face dimension of about 12" x 6" and the M506 has a faceplate of 7" x 4.5" so I need to cover the old cutout.  


I'm thinking of dark plexiglass, but that tends to become less attractive over time as it dulls.  I don't think I would like bare aluminum, although I could paint the aluminum black...


Any other ideas out there?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Danny,

The insurance is Helvetia/GroupAma contracted through Insurance De Lassee.

Here is the latest, sorry it is in French see below:

In short, even thought my boat is a total loss, and even thought my lawyer wrote them a letter after the January letter saying I was late to pay the premium, I should have sent a certified letter.
So now I am late for the payment and are going to take legal action to get the paiement plus fees to recover that paiement ?!?
This is absolutely crazy.

Here is the french message:

Conformément à votre demande, la
résiliation du contrat d’assurance pour non-paiement de
la prime est prévue par l’article L 113-3 du code des
assurances qui stipule :

« …A défaut de paiement d’une
prime ou d’une fraction de prime, dans les dix jours de
son échéance, et indépendamment du droit pour
l’assureur de poursuivre l’exécution du contrat en
justice, la garantie ne peut être suspendue que trente
jours après la mise en demeure de l’assuré. Au cas où
la prime annuelle a été fractionnée, la suspension de la
garantie, intervenue en cas de non-paiement d’une des
fractions de prime, produit ses effets jusqu’à
l’expiration de la période annuelle considérée. La
prime ou fraction de prime est portable dans tous les cas,
après la mise en demeure de l’assuré.
  L’assureur a le droit de résilier
le contrat dix jours après l’expiration du délai de
trente jours mentionné au deuxième alinéa du présent
article.
  Le contrat non résilié reprend pour
l’avenir ses effets, à midi le lendemain du jour où ont
été payés à l’assureur ou au mandataire désigné par
lui à cet effet, la prime arriérée ou, en cas de
fractionnement de la prime annuelle, les fractions de prime
ayant fait l’objet de la mise en demeure et celles venues
à échéance pendant la période de suspension ainsi que,
éventuellement, les frais de poursuites et de recouvrement.
»





--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2/28/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 11:46 AM


 










They never let up do they. You will need to remind us
who this company is.Kind RegardsDannySM
299 Ocean PearlOn 01 March 2018 at 02:13
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  Good morning,


Even thought I said I
would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the
entire story, I have to post what is going on now and again
URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.

January 5, my insurance sent
me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance premium
(due by November 2017).
Prior the January
5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking to
renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT sunk
September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by the
insurance…

Despite a
letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another
letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I still
haven’t paid the premium.

They insist I still owe the premium and sent
me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in
French).

I suspect they
refer to article 8.4.4
“en cas de perte
totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau
assure”.
(in short: in case of total
loss so my case)
THEN it says:
“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le
jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera réglée”.

(in short it says the insurance will stop
the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).
So in other words, as long as the insurance is
not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously? Crazy.


Since they are offering
75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to
collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time
“1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to me
in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years
(since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident in
Nassau over 3 years ago).

For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY
that premium.

Bandits,
crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that come
to my head now.


Sincerely,
Alexandre
 

















Posted by: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
<simms@...>


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

Alan,

Didn't mean to mislead you, but I was asking about Maretron, and just giving some background as to why I was looking.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

They never let up do they. You will need to remind us who this company is.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 01 March 2018 at 02:13 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning,

Even thought I said I would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the entire story, I have to post what is going on now and again URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.

January 5, my insurance sent me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance premium (due by November 2017).
Prior the January 5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking to renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT sunk September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by the insurance…

Despite a letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I still haven’t paid the premium.

They insist I still owe the premium and sent me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in French).

I suspect they refer to article 8.4.4
“en cas de perte totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau assure”.
(in short: in case of total loss so my case)
THEN it says:
“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera réglée”.
(in short it says the insurance will stop the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).
So in other words, as long as the insurance is not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously? Crazy.

Since they are offering 75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time “1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to me in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years (since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident in Nassau over 3 years ago).

For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY that premium.

Bandits, crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that come to my head now.

Sincerely, Alexandre


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alexandre,

I feel for you.

However, insurance companies all act as you are witnessing first hand.

Best of luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.

On 28 Feb 2018, at 08:13, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning, 

Even thought I said I would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the entire story, I have to post what is going on now and again URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.  

January 5, my insurance sent me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance premium (due by November 2017).  
Prior the January 5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking to renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT sunk September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by the insurance…  

Despite a letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I still haven’t paid the premium.  

They insist I still owe the premium and sent me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in French).  

I suspect they refer to article 8.4.4 
“en cas de perte totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau assure”.  
(in short: in case of total loss so my case)
THEN it says: 
“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera réglée”.  
(in short it says the insurance will stop the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).  
So in other words, as long as the insurance is not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously? Crazy.  

Since they are offering 75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time “1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to me in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years (since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident in Nassau over 3 years ago).  

For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY that premium.  

Bandits, crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that come to my head now.  

Sincerely, Alexandre

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[Amel Yacht Owners] INSURANCE update - still asking me to pay premium after boat sunk.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Even thought I said I would wait the insurance issue to be solved to post the entire story, I have to post what is going on now and again URGE ALL OF YOU to reread their insurance policies.

January 5, my insurance sent me a letter saying I was late to pay the insurance premium (due by November 2017).
Prior the January 5 letter I never received any letter, email, etc. asking to renew the insurance which seems logical since NIKIMAT sunk September 6 and was declared soon after a total loss by the insurance…

Despite a letter from my lawyer, the insurance just sent me another letter yesterday threatening to “sue” me because I still haven’t paid the premium.

They insist I still owe the premium and sent me the articles they are basing themselves (that is in French).

I suspect they refer to article 8.4.4
“en cas de perte totale, vol totale et délaissement de votre bateau assure”.
(in short: in case of total loss so my case)
THEN it says:
“L’assurance prend fin de plein droit le jour ou l’indemnite correspondante vous sera réglée”.
(in short it says the insurance will stop the day I will be reimbursed for the boat).
So in other words, as long as the insurance is not settled, I still owe the insurance ?!? Seriously? Crazy.

Since they are offering 75% of the agreed value and my lawyer is suing them to collect the full amount and the insurance wait each time “1 month” to reply a message (just like they did to me in Nassau) this can take several months possibly years (since I am still not fully reimburse from the accident in Nassau over 3 years ago).

For information, my lawyer told me NOT TO PAY that premium.

Bandits, crooks, dishonest, gangsters, etc. are the words that come to my head now.

Sincerely, Alexandre


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I will third that , Scott was helpful to me with a couple of issues I had , and I too have recommended Scott and Pantaenius to friends , and at least one has switch over to them for coverage. I had a claim due to a nearby lightning strike and Pantaenius covered every penny of the claim without complaint . I think it is an appropriate use of this forum to convey both good and bad experiences members may have with vendors of any description. By doing so we may save fellow owners from a bad experience , and excellence is rewarded and poor performance is not. I just got a key fob , no pen.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Feb 26, 2018 5:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response

 
We second this. Scott is an excellent resource and very easy to do business with. Unlike Joel, I didn’t get ink pens or key floats. Not sure what I did wrong J But, we still like Scott anyway.
 
We have recommended several people to Scott and every one of them have thanked us for the referral.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Guadeloupe
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 11:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: 'Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius)'
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High
 
 
Hello Amel Folks.
I have used Scott Stusek to insure my Amel Boats and have recommended him to my customers with confidence. He has some solid traits to recommend him. He always tells the truth AND the whole story even when it is painful to do so. He knows his company’s policies and can delineate any area of concern in hairsplitting detail if asked to. He always returns phone calls pronto. Other than that…meh.
 
Yes, he buys my loyalty. Got a great big sack of Pantaenius ink pens and key floats. Hanspeter, I’ll send you a couple of each if you send me your address.
 
I’ve been selling boats for over four decades. No other insurance person has earned my respect as well as Scott has. Please read the attachments below for some important information.
 
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: Stusek, Scott (Pantaenius) [mailto:SStusek@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'Vela' <jfpottercys@...>
Subject: FW: AMEL forum response
Importance: High
 
Joel & Vela,
I saw on the Amel forum where one of our insureds said we are no longer writing or updating current policies for full time south of the Fl/GA line.  This is not true.  We just have some changed requirements such as being able to conform to one of several named tropical storm plans.  We drafted the below email to try and clear up the potential controversy  If you could,  please post it on the Amel forum as its probably inappropriate for me to do so.  You can also say that after discussing with Scott Stusek, an underwriter at Pantaenius America you discovered the following details….  Feel free to call me to discuss beforehand if you would like.
 
Scott Stusek
Pantaenius America, Ltd
443-569-7995
 
Scott, below if the response to be posted on the Amel forum.  It was written assuming Joel will be posting. Please let me know if he has an issue posting it.
 
Pantaenius insured vessels that fall within their current guidelines absolutely have coverage while below 30.5 degrees north latitude if the Cruising Area stated on their declaration pages allows.
With regards to coverage during storm season,  (July 15th through November 1st ) , Pantaenius requires that the vessel be secured per Pantaenius storm requirements. Pantaenius now offers options for insured clients to choose how best to secure their vessel—one of which is to move the vessel out of the path of the storm.
It is important to recognize that Pantaenius America will cover your vessel in the event of a named tropical storm as long as you comply with your stated requirements.  It is also very important to understand that outside of the storm season (again storm season for Pantaenius America is July 15 – November 1st), this storm warranty does NOT apply.  Bottom line: Pantaenius is still offering coverage for Florida and the Caribbean even during storm season.  
 
 
Sincerely,
Janet Bianco | Senior Vice President
Pantaenius America, Ltd.
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