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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Bowthruster unit - cost and in-stock?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Colin, bad luck. Were you able to retrieve the broken part. It is amazing what can be repaired when you are cruising remote locations away from your 1st world services.
All the best.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 19 Mar 2018 19:17, "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This morning we accidentally nudged a reef here in Maldives. Fortunately we were only doiing 2.5kts so no hull damage, but in getting off we sheered the bowthruster unit completely off! By this I mean it snapped at the base of the shaft where the shaft gear meets the rotary gear.


I dived and we fortunately have absolutely no damage, other than needing a full new Bowthruster unit from the shaft top down - ie just the removable unit. Just some paint scratches at bottom of keel which are no problem.


All in all, we were fortunate to be going slowly, and to get off quickly as the tide was dropping, or we would be high and dry right now, with real potential for hull damage as the water dropped and the boat rested on the rocks.


I am waiting to get in touch with Maud at Amel when they open today, however have two quick questions for the group in the interim:


1) Anyone know what the bowthruster unit costs new and if Amel have them in stock?


2) We just have the shaft in the water, no cover plate as that is sheered off. In current flat water at 3 - 7kts boat speed tested, we have no water coming in through the bowthruster unit at all. Has anyone had experience sailing without the cover plate in big seas? Did you take on water?


Having departed from Australia almost a year ago, and enjoyed cruising all of Indonesia and SE Asia with absolute trouble free cruising in this boat, we are now half way across the North Indian Ocean, and next about to cross the Southern Indian Ocean, so have every chance of big wild seas ahead. From here in the Maldives we head to Chagos next mid April till mid May, then head south to Rodriguez (June), Mauritius (July), then Reunion (July/Aug), and back up and around the top of Madagascar (NosyB - Aug/Sept) and down to Cape Town.


Our current intentions are to return to Male, the capital of Maldives, to have a new bowthruster shipped here from Amel. Depending on how long that may take Amel, and the levels of import duty in the various Indian Ocean countries,  we may need to attempt the balance of Indian Ocean crossing without it, but that worries me a lot.


This is the reason I seek the wisdom of this group, from those of you who know best, and possibly even some who may have even experienced the same issue of cruising on without the bowthruster foot and cover plate in place?


Many thanks


Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

svislandpearl.com







New Bowthruster unit - cost and in-stock?

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

This morning we accidentally nudged a reef here in Maldives. Fortunately we were only doiing 2.5kts so no hull damage, but in getting off we sheered the bowthruster unit completely off! By this I mean it snapped at the base of the shaft where the shaft gear meets the rotary gear.


I dived and we fortunately have absolutely no damage, other than needing a full new Bowthruster unit from the shaft top down - ie just the removable unit. Just some paint scratches at bottom of keel which are no problem.


All in all, we were fortunate to be going slowly, and to get off quickly as the tide was dropping, or we would be high and dry right now, with real potential for hull damage as the water dropped and the boat rested on the rocks.


I am waiting to get in touch with Maud at Amel when they open today, however have two quick questions for the group in the interim:


1) Anyone know what the bowthruster unit costs new and if Amel have them in stock?


2) We just have the shaft in the water, no cover plate as that is sheered off. In current flat water at 3 - 7kts boat speed tested, we have no water coming in through the bowthruster unit at all. Has anyone had experience sailing without the cover plate in big seas? Did you take on water?


Having departed from Australia almost a year ago, and enjoyed cruising all of Indonesia and SE Asia with absolute trouble free cruising in this boat, we are now half way across the North Indian Ocean, and next about to cross the Southern Indian Ocean, so have every chance of big wild seas ahead. From here in the Maldives we head to Chagos next mid April till mid May, then head south to Rodriguez (June), Mauritius (July), then Reunion (July/Aug), and back up and around the top of Madagascar (NosyB - Aug/Sept) and down to Cape Town.


Our current intentions are to return to Male, the capital of Maldives, to have a new bowthruster shipped here from Amel. Depending on how long that may take Amel, and the levels of import duty in the various Indian Ocean countries,  we may need to attempt the balance of Indian Ocean crossing without it, but that worries me a lot.


This is the reason I seek the wisdom of this group, from those of you who know best, and possibly even some who may have even experienced the same issue of cruising on without the bowthruster foot and cover plate in place?


Many thanks


Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

svislandpearl.com







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clogged anchor wash pipe

karkauai
 

Hi Thomas,
I've used Barnacle Buster Yearly on my whole raw water system.  It remains completely free of scale, growth, etc.  I don't know if it would clean out a clogged pipe, but I'd give it a try.

Kent
Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Do you want a spare Linear Actuator control board?

eric freedman
 

adding a fuse to the PCB on the bowthruster is quite simple. I added one to the + wire

on the pcp in a small fuse holder.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 5:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Do you want a spare Linear Actuator control board?

 

 

Mark,

 

Congratulations! This is really very good news for All SM owners that have electronic sensors on their bow thrusters.

 

If I still owned BeBe, I would buy one today for several reasons: 1.) The PCB on BeBe #387 was NOT protected by a fuse. 2.) Sooner or later, possibly every SM will need one of these and without Amel supporting it, we have few choices.

 

Maybe you should think about the Amel electronic chain counter as your next project.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 4:27 PM, mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


In an odd coincidence, I was working on a making a replacement PCB for the Bowthruster Linear Actuator before Duane made this post. I didn't want to say something about it on the forum until I actually had one completed and tested on my boat though I did reach out to Duane through an intermediary to let him know that I was already in the process of making a replacement. I finally finished the successful testing of the prototype this past weekend.

I uploaded some pics of the prototype PCB on the forums here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1697584458

And here is a link to a video of the bowthruster being lowered and raised back up using the the prototype PCB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/107vwBIrFxJI3APtEOF7hsBGKZMM6B8lP/view?usp=drivesdk

The PCB design mimics the original one in my SM #440 as much as possible. It has a 10 amp fuse and the traces are all sized larger than the original PCB. I used the original components wherever I could. So far I've made only the one board, but if anyone else is interested, I can readily make more within a few weeks and can offer them for sale at $250 each (plus shipping) with a 3 year warranty. You can contact me at mfmcgovern at gmail.com if you are interested..

I hope this helps some of you. My next project is to attempt to make a drop in replacement for my non-functioning chain counter display unit. I expect this one will be a bit more difficult but I will let you know if and when it is done!

Regards,
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA



 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New member question

eric freedman
 

Hi ,

If you are around Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, we will be in Martinique on Kimberlite. Ponton 4.

Please drop by

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 5:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New member question

 

 

Hello all, I just registered with this group because, after careful consideration of several bluewater yacht brands (we are past Pacific Seacraft owners), and time spent as crew on a Super Maramu, we have (almost) decided to purchase our own Amel.  Next week we are headed for Martinique to look at a few and I have a question for the group.

 

We will be looking at 2 Santorins and a SM.  

 

My question:  One of the Santorins, a 1991, was re-powered in 2011 with a "Midif MD 1760."  Looking this up I find it is a 50-hp turbocharged Mitsubishi-built engine, distributed by Midif in France.  I could find no reviews or discussion on this engine anywhere online.  Does anybody have any experience with or reliable info on this engine?  Reliability?  Is it suitable for a Santorin?  I assume all parts and support would need to come from the distributor in France.  

 

I will know more after a week on Martinique, but I am trying to be a well-informed shopper...

 

The other Santorin, a 1999, while "younger", has its original Volvo engine with 3300 hr (and original standing rigging), vs. the "older" Santorin which has the young Midif engine with 812 hr (and new standing rigging and seacocks). 

 

Don't want to post too much at once.  Thanks for any advice.

 

Regards,

 

Paul Cooper 

 


Re: New member question

paul.cooper74@...
 

Thanks Craig.  That's reassuring to hear you say that about the 3300 hrs on the Volvo, because there are many other nice upgrades on the 1999 I am attracted to.  And sounds like the rigging replacement may not be as expensive as I imagined.   Anyway, I will keep an open mind next week.  No expectations--just gonna have a nice vacation on Martinique and, who knows, might end up with a boat...


Re: New member question

Craig Briggs
 

Very exciting, Paul, and early welcome to the DB.

Can't really say anything about the specific boats, of course, but, in general, 3300 on the Volvo should not be an issue if it's been well maintained.  You may well get two to three times that and if you do the same 150 hours a year that it's had that will last you maybe another 40 years!  My Perkins twin to that Volvo is at 7500 hours and shows no signs of needing replacement.  Plus the Volvo is naturally aspirated, which eliminates the turbo complexity. Then again Mitsubishi is a reputable brand, although I know nothing of the Midif.

The rigging on the original is coming up on 20 years so you'll want to evaluate the history. With only 150 hours on the engine it suggests to me the boat was lightly used (I average about 300 a year and only sail 6 months per year, which I'd consider maybe average usage.) If the boat was in the Caribbean all that time it may be due for a re-rig (about $5000 from Acmo in France and an easy DIY job). If it's been in a northern climate with light use, it may be fine.

It may come down to the overall condition, and the nod could go to the 8 years newer one. It'll be fun to learn what you discover.

Good luck shopping,
Craig SN#68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@..., <paul.cooper74@...> wrote :

Hello all, I just registered with this group because, after careful consideration of several bluewater yacht brands (we are past Pacific Seacraft owners), and time spent as crew on a Super Maramu, we have (almost) decided to purchase our own Amel.  Next week we are headed for Martinique to look at a few and I have a question for the group.

We will be looking at 2 Santorins and a SM.  

My question:  One of the Santorins, a 1991, was re-powered in 2011 with a "Midif MD 1760."  Looking this up I find it is a 50-hp turbocharged Mitsubishi-built engine, distributed by Midif in France.  I could find no reviews or discussion on this engine anywhere online.  Does anybody have any experience with or reliable info on this engine?  Reliability?  Is it suitable for a Santorin?  I assume all parts and support would need to come from the distributor in France.  

I will know more after a week on Martinique, but I am trying to be a well-informed shopper...

The other Santorin, a 1999, while "younger", has its original Volvo engine with 3300 hr (and original standing rigging), vs. the "older" Santorin which has the young Midif engine with 812 hr (and new standing rigging and seacocks). 

Don't want to post too much at once.  Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

Paul Cooper 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Alternating hot and cold water in showers

Peter Jaeger
 

Hoi Philipp
Thanks for your note, good to know rhat Wilson looks OK. We are planning our next trip to LR.
Could you fix the instable warm water flow?

Fair winds
Peter

SY Wilson, SM 003, La Rochelle

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Am Samstag, März 17, 2018, 21:48 schrieb philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Hi Peter,

Nice to read from you. We are just in La Rochelle and Wilson is looking good!
Tomorrow I will examine the pressure on the cold water tank and also on the boiler for the hot water.

The pressure difference can be an anwer for the uncomfortable situation.

Thank's a lot.

Fair winds,

Philipp


Re: &#92;Generator speed vs frequency

Craig Briggs
 

Wow, Herbert, that sounds very good, indeed. Yes, there are many options to the old legacy designs running at fixed (and inefficient) rpm that give quiet(er) operation, better fuel economy, cleaner emissions and weight savings.
Kali Spera, Craig SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote :

Craig, 

we have an Fischer Panda 4000i with a 1 cylinder kubota engine, 4kw.  Initial it had fixed RPM ~2900 but two years ago I upgraded it with a variable speed option (step motor that pushes the throttle depending on the load), now it turns between 2400 and 2900, depending on the load.  normally it runs with low speed because normal load is 1 to 2 kw, so it runs with ~2500. It runs more silent now and only uses ~0,5l diesel per hour compared to ~0.8l we used before.

herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, on the hard in Shelter Bay


New member question

paul.cooper74@...
 

Hello all, I just registered with this group because, after careful consideration of several bluewater yacht brands (we are past Pacific Seacraft owners), and time spent as crew on a Super Maramu, we have (almost) decided to purchase our own Amel.  Next week we are headed for Martinique to look at a few and I have a question for the group.

We will be looking at 2 Santorins and a SM.  

My question:  One of the Santorins, a 1991, was re-powered in 2011 with a "Midif MD 1760."  Looking this up I find it is a 50-hp turbocharged Mitsubishi-built engine, distributed by Midif in France.  I could find no reviews or discussion on this engine anywhere online.  Does anybody have any experience with or reliable info on this engine?  Reliability?  Is it suitable for a Santorin?  I assume all parts and support would need to come from the distributor in France.  

I will know more after a week on Martinique, but I am trying to be a well-informed shopper...

The other Santorin, a 1999, while "younger", has its original Volvo engine with 3300 hr (and original standing rigging), vs. the "older" Santorin which has the young Midif engine with 812 hr (and new standing rigging and seacocks). 

Don't want to post too much at once.  Thanks for any advice.

Regards,

Paul Cooper 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Do you want a spare Linear Actuator control board?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

Congratulations! This is really very good news for All SM owners that have electronic sensors on their bow thrusters.

If I still owned BeBe, I would buy one today for several reasons: 1.) The PCB on BeBe #387 was NOT protected by a fuse. 2.) Sooner or later, possibly every SM will need one of these and without Amel supporting it, we have few choices.

Maybe you should think about the Amel electronic chain counter as your next project.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 4:27 PM, mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


In an odd coincidence, I was working on a making a replacement PCB for the Bowthruster Linear Actuator before Duane made this post. I didn't want to say something about it on the forum until I actually had one completed and tested on my boat though I did reach out to Duane through an intermediary to let him know that I was already in the process of making a replacement. I finally finished the successful testing of the prototype this past weekend.

I uploaded some pics of the prototype PCB on the forums here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1697584458

And here is a link to a video of the bowthruster being lowered and raised back up using the the prototype PCB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/107vwBIrFxJI3APtEOF7hsBGKZMM6B8lP/view?usp=drivesdk

The PCB design mimics the original one in my SM #440 as much as possible. It has a 10 amp fuse and the traces are all sized larger than the original PCB. I used the original components wherever I could. So far I've made only the one board, but if anyone else is interested, I can readily make more within a few weeks and can offer them for sale at $250 each (plus shipping) with a 3 year warranty. You can contact me at mfmcgovern at gmail.com if you are interested.

I hope this helps some of you. My next project is to attempt to make a drop in replacement for my non-functioning chain counter display unit. I expect this one will be a bit more difficult but I will let you know if and when it is done!

Regards,
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Do you want a spare Linear Actuator control board?

mfmcgovern@...
 

In an odd coincidence, I was working on a making a replacement PCB for the Bowthruster Linear Actuator before Duane made this post. I didn't want to say something about it on the forum until I actually had one completed and tested on my boat though I did reach out to Duane through an intermediary to let him know that I was already in the process of making a replacement. I finally finished the successful testing of the prototype this past weekend.

I uploaded some pics of the prototype PCB on the forums here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1697584458

And here is a link to a video of the bowthruster being lowered and raised back up using the the prototype PCB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/107vwBIrFxJI3APtEOF7hsBGKZMM6B8lP/view?usp=drivesdk

The PCB design mimics the original one in my SM #440 as much as possible. It has a 10 amp fuse and the traces are all sized larger than the original PCB. I used the original components wherever I could. So far I've made only the one board, but if anyone else is interested, I can readily make more within a few weeks and can offer them for sale at $250 each (plus shipping) with a 3 year warranty. You can contact me at mfmcgovern at gmail.com if you are interested.

I hope this helps some of you. My next project is to attempt to make a drop in replacement for my non-functioning chain counter display unit. I expect this one will be a bit more difficult but I will let you know if and when it is done!

Regards,
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM rudder bonding

eric freedman
 


Re: SM rudder bonding

william_maffei@...
 

Thanks everyone! It seems like I have been thinking this was going to be a nightmare of a project but "should" be pretty simple. I love the longer bolt option! Hopefully, it really is as simple as that! And if it just needs to be retapped, I can certainly do that in the water! 

Cheers!

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good 


Thru-hull fitting for Depth

Duane Siegfri
 

Can someone tell me about if the OEM thru-hull fitting for the Airmar depth sensor is a 51mm housing?  


Mine is marked D800-P498 on the tag attached to the sensor wire, and "20-386-02" is printed on the top of the sensor.  I'm looking at the Airmar DX900+ and it says it will retrofit into the 51mm housings.  I cannot find any legacy product information on the Airmar website.


I remember a thread not too long ago on replacing the B&G Sonic Speed with an Airmar CS4500, and someone said they had to enlarge the hole to accomodate the new sensor.  The CS4500 also notes it will retrofit into most 51mm housings, that's why I'm concerned.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: &#92;Generator speed vs frequency

Herbert Lackner
 

Craig, 

we have an Fischer Panda 4000i with a 1 cylinder kubota engine, 4kw.  Initial it had fixed RPM ~2900 but two years ago I upgraded it with a variable speed option (step motor that pushes the throttle depending on the load), now it turns between 2400 and 2900, depending on the load.  normally it runs with low speed because normal load is 1 to 2 kw, so it runs with ~2500. It runs more silent now and only uses ~0,5l diesel per hour compared to ~0.8l we used before.

herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, on the hard in Shelter Bay


Re: SM rudder bonding

Paul Osterberg
 

I have the same issue, Oliver advised me to drill a new hole and thread it as the mild steel plate is rather large so just drill a new hole besides the old one, or drill a larger hole and thread that, I guess what ever will work.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


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Re: SM rudder bonding

Gary Wells
 

Although I've not had to do it aboard, I have previously had to re-tap a hole like this. 
I drilled it to the next size and tapped it, then inserted a "Heli-Coil" thread insert to bring it back to the original size.  At an auto parts store you can obtain the whole kit; drill, tap and inserts.

Best!

Gary W
s\v Adagio #209
Fethiye, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM rudder bonding

eric freedman
 

I had what I thought was a similar problem. I used a longer fully threaded bolt and all has been fine for years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:45 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM rudder bonding

 

 

Hey all -

 

Wondering if anyone can shed some insight on the SM rudder bonding setup. I've seen the diagrams however, if anyone has experienced or repaired what I am about to describe it would be greatly appreciated for future reference.

 

My starboard anode no longer threads into the hole provided. I assume the threads are completely stripped. Port side is still good and is working properly. My initial thought for an easy fix would be to re-tap a larger size thread. I think currently it is M10x1.25 with a 17mm hex head. Maybe a M12 tap (if possible)? 

 

Thoughts?

 

Kind Regards,

 

Bill Maffei 

SM#195

It's all Good