Re: How much anchor chain?

greatketch@...

Bill R,

I have always set my depth offset so the fathometer reads the actual water depth.  It minimizes the chance for me making careless mistakes in arithmetic because I spend a LOT more time comparing my fathometer reading to the chart than anything else.

Other people do other things, of course, but I did make the (possibly rash?) assumption that when I talk about "water depth" to sailors they understand how to convert their own fathometer reading to a water depth. If anybody is using the depth under their keel to calculate anchor scope, they have probably already lost their boat.

I guess I was not clear in making my main point. I did not mean to imply that I could anchor with ONLY 60 meters of chain in 10m of water.  I said I could anchor in nearly 10m of depth (@ a scope of 7) without the splice touching bottom. That was apparently unclear, so here is what I meant...

If I am anchoring in 10m of water, and adding 2m for the height of the bow roller (mine is actually 1.6m, but let's round up just for fun!):  I need 7*12=84m of scope.  if I let out all my chain that's a scope of 5:1, and if I let out an additional 12 meters of line, I am at 6:1 and my splice is JUST touching the bottom in dead flat calm conditions.   Of course if I have let out 12 meters of line, there is no need to add extra for a snubber.

I hope you'll grant me that I wasn't too far off when I wrote that I can go to NEARLY 10m of depth without the splice touching bottom.

Of course if ALL you have is 60m of chain, then 10 meters of water depth is out of range in anything except reliably mild conditions.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Bill,

I am writing this to clarify something in your recent post about anchor scope. I am sure you know this, but there wasn't enough detail in your post that newbies will certainly need.

10 meters indicated on the depth instrument is actually 10 meters of water, only if you have the depth Datum set to water depth rather than actual transducer depth, or keel depth. If you have the Datum set to keel depth (as many do), you need to add this to the scope computation. Unless the Datum is set to indicate actual water depth, you are probably closer to 12 meters. You can find information on the Datum offset in your depth instrument manual.

FYI, I was recently in an Amel that someone had attempted to set the Datum to indicate the depth of the keel. That person then relied on his depth instrument in shallow water, but because he set the Datum wrong, when his keel touched bottom, his instruments indicated 3 meters. When this boat was hauled out, there were more than 10 large chips on the cast iron ballast and a large chips in the rudder.

Additionally, your bow roller is about 2 meters above the water, so when computing scope you'll need to add this to the computation. The easiest way is to add it to the indicated depth.

Also, many of us like to have a lazy loop of chain between the snubber connection to the chain and the bow roller.

Chances are that with 10 meters depth indicated on your depth sounder, you need to use somewhere between 12 and 14 as depth in the scope computation. I doubt that you can get 7:1 in 10 meters of water with 60 meters of chain...I believe that the most that you could have is between 4 and 5:1.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

smiles bernard

Thanks Bill
good info there

All the best
Miles

On Friday, March 23, 2018, 2:45:42 PM GMT, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Look here for great information on C-links to connect two lengths of chain. (but look quick!  His web hosting expires soon!)

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

greatketch@...

Look here for great information on C-links to connect two lengths of chain. (but look quick!  His web hosting expires soon!)

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi

Many thanks Bob, I'll give it a try.
Paul

Batteries

Paul Osterberg

Batteries again,

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about the Vmax batteries?

They have two interesting batteries

SLR125 and the XTR-135 125/135 Ah for a group 31 type batteries, with the 135 I would get 540 Ah instead normal 420 Ah a significant difference. Price looks ok 2268 \$ for 8 batteries free delivered, cost for the 8 125 Ah 1840 USD delivered. Good prices for AGM batteries

Not very much reviews on internet but a few on Y tube but one do not know who behind the reviews

Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259

Re: How much anchor chain?

yahoogroups@...

Bill,

I am writing this to clarify something in your recent post about anchor scope. I am sure you know this, but there wasn't enough detail in your post that newbies will certainly need.

10 meters indicated on the depth instrument is actually 10 meters of water, only if you have the depth Datum set to water depth rather than actual transducer depth, or keel depth. If you have the Datum set to keel depth (as many do), you need to add this to the scope computation. Unless the Datum is set to indicate actual water depth, you are probably closer to 12 meters. You can find information on the Datum offset in your depth instrument manual.

FYI, I was recently in an Amel that someone had attempted to set the Datum to indicate the depth of the keel. That person then relied on his depth instrument in shallow water, but because he set the Datum wrong, when his keel touched bottom, his instruments indicated 3 meters. When this boat was hauled out, there were more than 10 large chips on the cast iron ballast and a large chips in the rudder.

Additionally, your bow roller is about 2 meters above the water, so when computing scope you'll need to add this to the computation. The easiest way is to add it to the indicated depth.

Also, many of us like to have a lazy loop of chain between the snubber connection to the chain and the bow roller.

Chances are that with 10 meters depth indicated on your depth sounder, you need to use somewhere between 12 and 14 as depth in the scope computation. I doubt that you can get 7:1 in 10 meters of water with 60 meters of chain...I believe that the most that you could have is between 4 and 5:1.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Re: 'Cristec Devolteur'

Beaute Olivier

Hello Woody,

this was a special request from the new owner. He wanted to charge his batteries with voltage up to 32V, but did not want to feed his appliances with 32V (while charging), so, this DC/DC converter was supplying all the appliances, except the big motors (winches, windlass, furlers and bow-thruster) with a maximum of 26 V.
In my opinion, this system is obsolete and potentially dangerous (because of the 32V charge settings).
You may take down this device and come back to the usual wiring, BUT, make sure first that your means of charge (alternator on main engine and battery chargers) don't go above 28.8V.

If you're not familiar with DC electricity, you should hire a skilled company for that.

Good luck.

Olivier

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

smiles bernard

thanks very much for the swift responses to this question
I agree 100m chain would be my preference.....
I reread Beth Leonaids Blue Water Cruising last night - the section on anchoring
Their 40ft suffered badly from too much chain in the bow so they stowed a 2nd section of chain in the mid bilges and used a chain connector (one of the ones you rivet together) in the Pacific
I worry about the chain connector as a weak point but it would mean i could keep the existing chain i have ( good condition )

The main thing i want is to sleep easy and have minimum hassle when anchoring - rode is a pain tbh ! ;)

I suppose i could change the windlass gypsy and go 100m of smaller 10mm chain

instead of the current 50ish meters of 12mm plus rode

Food for thought and very helpful input

many thanks again

Miles

On Friday, March 23, 2018, 8:06:20 AM GMT, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I agree Alan

Danny

On 23 March 2018 at 16:28 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

We had 70m of 10mm when we bought Elyse, which wasn't enough.

We replaced it with 100m of 10mm ISO Maggi Aqua 4 chain in 2014.
Crusing in the Pacific that is only just enough.
When I replace it again, I will get 125m, there'a plenty of space in our anchor locker.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Mark Erdos

Oops! I’m bad. Too much time in the sun latey.

With best regards,

Mark

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Hi Paul. Previously a client and now a friend, Mark on CREAMPUFF might not have noticed that you have an Amel 54 and not a Super Maramu 53. The bow thrusters on these boats are entirely different from one another and I do not believe there is a tool for the 54 that allows one to remove the propeller leg while in the water. My SM 53 had this tool and I made use of it on more than one occasion. My 54 didn’t have a water service tool or mention of this in the manual as far as I can remember. Anyone out there with an Amel 54, please feel free to correct me if I am in error. Wouldn’t be the only time…

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Hi all,

My sidepower bowthruster has lost the linkage to the props and just spins. According to the manual a probable cause could be rope getting sucked in which causes the "flexible coupling" to break. My question is: is it possible to check this, and even replace it, with the boat in the water?

Thabnks,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

I agree Alan

Danny

On 23 March 2018 at 16:28 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We had 70m of 10mm when we bought Elyse, which wasn't enough.

We replaced it with 100m of 10mm ISO Maggi Aqua 4 chain in 2014.
Crusing in the Pacific that is only just enough.
When I replace it again, I will get 125m, there'a plenty of space in our anchor locker.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

H Miles,

We have 100m of 10mm chain and 100 meters of rode attached.. Thinking of priorities when you are anchored on a sudden lee shore after a 180 degree wind shift in a gale its pretty easy to decide where the priority lies. I have had to reluctantly anchor in over 20 meters in the Pacific.Thank goodness for a good anchor winch. I regard 10 meters as shallow anchoring. Ocean Pearl floats nearer her water line than most SM but not deeper overall. The stern rides up quite well and she sails very well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 23 March 2018 at 13:37 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,

If I was equipping Harmonie from scratch, I'd likely go with 100m of chain, although I'd stay with the 10mm chain we have.  But we bought her with 60m of chain spliced to 60m of line.  So far, in cruising the East coast of the USA and the windward islands of the Caribbean, we have yet to deploy all 60m of chain.

On my old boat I had a similar setup, and there were times anchoring in Hawaiian waters I deployed all the chain--and most of the line--anchoring in almost 15m of water.

I figure I can anchor in nearly 10m of depth (@ a scope of 7) without the splice touching bottom, so shifting to all chain hasn't really been a priority.  I might change my mind when our cruising ground includes deeper anchorages of the South Pacific, but on the other hand Harmonie has been around the world twice with her current setup, so it can't be too bad!

Something to consider, is that an extra 50m of 12mm chain will add almost 200kg to the bow.  That's a LOT.

So...  I haven't got an absolute recommendation for you, and likely haven't told you anything you haven't already thought of.  It would be easy to find someone to make an absolute statement that 100m of chain is "required" and also you'll be told that what you have is fine.

From an anchoring perspective, 100m of chain would be better, from a sailing performance perspective, the extra weight in the bow is a significant downside. I don't think either choice is obviously wrong, just a matter of priorities.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
(where we are always anchored in less than 3.5m of water!)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Warren Traill

Thanks Trevor. It would be very interesting to meet you. We will be on the hardstand at Rebak from March 31st to April 10th.

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 3:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Hello Warren,

Just checked out today and plan on departing tomorrow for Langkawi.  We should be down there in a couple days. I’ll keep an eye out for you and look forward to meeting up.

Email is: sviris1990 at gmail

Trevor

SV Iris, SN027

Ao Chalong Bay, Phuket

On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:18 PM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor. We are on our Sharki #15. We’ve been cruising West coast Thailand/Langkawi for some time. We are also considering the east rally and will be at Rebak next week. Are you guys in that area?

Cheers,

Warren and Zetta

Manon2

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 4:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Hello Eric,

Congratulations on the little one!

Our daughter was born in July (in the UK) last year and arrived on the boat 2 months later (in Phuket).

We’ve been living full time and traveling coastal. We are about to do the Passage to the East Rally which heads down the Straight to Singapore and then over to Borneo.

As you can imagine my wife has had some concerns with an infant on a boat.

I’m sure you’ve thought of most of these items but here is a quick list that has affected us.

- It is pretty much child proof already (no low sockets, locking doors and cabinets, rounded edges etc.

- We are in a Santorin so the berthing might be different. Our aft cabin had a small cushioned section with a leeboard on the starboard side.  I relocated it a foot more inboard and now my kid has her own bed in our cabin with all sides protecting her from rolling out - she’s now a week shy of 8 months and pulling herself over them so we are getting two Lee cloths sown up.  One for her bed and the other for the bunk in the saloon.  You might opt for the pilot bunk though.

- We bought a Salus Infant Vest for her once she was 6 months. She uses this to chill in the water with us.  A great vest for kids as no matter how they enter the water they end up face up.  I’ve tested it well and am positive it works.

- In the tender we strap her in a chest harness to one of us.. We are both competent swimmers and while she is attached our only role is to look after her. No other tender duties. Not that we couldn’t but even a simple task of tying up to the dock is not worth it. A slip of the foot in the wet dinghy, you’d fall forward and crush her. So we just play it safe and make sure there is always positive control.

- We don’t have as much space as an SM so we opted for a small umbrella type stroller. We would prefer something larger that would recline back so she could sleep / nap when we are off the boat.

- Welcome to single handling everything.  That kid is a non stop attention taker.  Not by choice, it’s just an infant that poops by itself.  That’s the only thing it does on its own. Everything else is on us. So one of us is off boat duty and on kid duty.  So night passages are almost a no go for us at the moment.  As neither one of us gets an ‘off watch’ time to sleep ourselves. So we plan our passages accordingly.

- Car seat.  We have a quality seat that gets strapped down in the saloon and she gets strapped in it should the weather get bad or I absolutely need a hand with something. We do not strap her to us and try to multi task the boat duties.

- A hammock in the shade of the cockpit for naps and such. So she isn’t always down below by herself.

- A small portable chair that sets on a seat.  Like a high chair, minus the legs.

- Food and nappies.  Plan well.  We are in Southeast Asia and trying to find things my wife is happy with is time consuming and costly when we do find some imported items.  I suppose this is dependent on your location though.

- Shots. If you’re electing to get shots for the kid plan out the locations.  As the shots are given based on the age of the kid.

- Passport right away for foreign travel

- Ro Sham Bo sunglasses for infants (when she leaves them on).

- A large umbrella for tender travel.

Good luck and enjoy.

Trevor

Iris, SN 027

Phuket

On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Eric,

First of all congratulations for little Nolan coming this June !!!

I love the Bahamas.
Just like you I work so internet is important to me.

One of my favorite place is Port Lucaya in Grand Bahama because of the reasonable monthly marina rate, access to groceries and other infrastructure, etc.
In 2014 I spent 4 months in Port Lucaya Marina / Yacht Club and paid \$600/month.
In 2015 I spent 3 months in Taino Beach (also in Port Lucaya) which became my favorite and paid \$540/month.
Because of their huge pool with a some shallow area, I am certain you, Viki and especially little Nolan will love this place!
I can look for pictures to send you.
The beach 3 minutes walk away from the marina, they are places to walk, lay down, etc.
They also loan you towels for a \$10 deposit and you can exchange them as often as you want, which you will realize is a considerable saving on laundry/generator time especially with the little one!..
I used my bicycle to go grocery shopping, but they have a bus going twice a week. In the super market you will find groceries as well as baby supplies.
I can not imagine a better place for you and your family.
Regarding the draft, you will have to wait almost “mid tide” to enter/leave the Bell Channel.
Port Lucaya is only 90 NM from Miami/Fort Lauderdale, so less than a day trip should you need to go. They i also an international airport.

Later in I also suggest you spend 1 months in Great Harbor Cay in the Berry Island. It is an overnight trip from Grand Bahama.
I was there in low season so the price was \$540/month, the prices are higher now, but I think you can negotiate and you get a discount with Active Captain.
Surprisingly the internet was the best I have seen in the Bahamas.
There was no issue to enter the channel even at low tide.
The beach was 20 minutes walk from the marina. They loan you bicycle if you don’t have any, the water is clearest I have seen.
There was no real grocery store some come prepared, therefore the fishermen come back every afternoon with 250 to 250 lobsters and sell you “tail only” for \$10/lbs. Sailing along the coast is excellent for fishing!

As Nolan grows up (but wait him to be tall enough for all the ride), then a stop in Atlantis is a must. Not sure who will like the place the most Nolan or dad! But it is quite expensive per day. Nassau is an overnight trip from the Berry Island.
There is no worry for the draft. Atlantis is also very protected from Hurricane.

Hope that helps, please feel free to contact me directly if you want pictures of the places.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/11/18, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2018, 11:18 PM

Hello amel family.
Viki and I are expecting (this is
why the boat is on the hard right now) our first little crew
member
Nolan
(insert middle name)  Meury will be arriving this
June.
Our plan is
to spend November and December around Stuart Florida as
Nolan will be signed up for infant water survival classes
there.  Then we are thinking of heading the bahamas for a
month and then back to GA where we will keep the boat for
the next hurricane season..
I have two requirements for the
bahamas...
1.  Some place that has access
to mobile internet or awesome wifi as i still have to work m
start up (www.pascalworkflow.com) and my tax
practice.
2.  Some place that we don't
have to worry about draft (marsh harbor or Georgetown? -
other ideas)

Also would love some Amel specific
or non amel specific for those that have had their baby on
board.
Thanks
again

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

tfortner1975

Hello Warren,

Just checked out today and plan on departing tomorrow for Langkawi.  We should be down there in a couple days. I’ll keep an eye out for you and look forward to meeting up.

Email is: sviris1990 at gmail

Trevor
SV Iris, SN027
Ao Chalong Bay, Phuket

On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:18 PM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor. We are on our Sharki #15. We’ve been cruising West coast Thailand/Langkawi for some time. We are also considering the east rally and will be at Rebak next week. Are you guys in that area?

Cheers,

Warren and Zetta

Manon2

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 4:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Hello Eric,

Congratulations on the little one!

Our daughter was born in July (in the UK) last year and arrived on the boat 2 months later (in Phuket).

We’ve been living full time and traveling coastal. We are about to do the Passage to the East Rally which heads down the Straight to Singapore and then over to Borneo.

As you can imagine my wife has had some concerns with an infant on a boat.

I’m sure you’ve thought of most of these items but here is a quick list that has affected us.

- It is pretty much child proof already (no low sockets, locking doors and cabinets, rounded edges etc.

- We are in a Santorin so the berthing might be different. Our aft cabin had a small cushioned section with a leeboard on the starboard side.  I relocated it a foot more inboard and now my kid has her own bed in our cabin with all sides protecting her from rolling out - she’s now a week shy of 8 months and pulling herself over them so we are getting two Lee cloths sown up.  One for her bed and the other for the bunk in the saloon.  You might opt for the pilot bunk though.

- We bought a Salus Infant Vest for her once she was 6 months. She uses this to chill in the water with us.  A great vest for kids as no matter how they enter the water they end up face up.  I’ve tested it well and am positive it works.

- In the tender we strap her in a chest harness to one of us. We are both competent swimmers and while she is attached our only role is to look after her. No other tender duties. Not that we couldn’t but even a simple task of tying up to the dock is not worth it. A slip of the foot in the wet dinghy, you’d fall forward and crush her. So we just play it safe and make sure there is always positive control.

- We don’t have as much space as an SM so we opted for a small umbrella type stroller. We would prefer something larger that would recline back so she could sleep / nap when we are off the boat.

- Welcome to single handling everything.  That kid is a non stop attention taker.  Not by choice, it’s just an infant that poops by itself.  That’s the only thing it does on its own. Everything else is on us. So one of us is off boat duty and on kid duty.  So night passages are almost a no go for us at the moment.  As neither one of us gets an ‘off watch’ time to sleep ourselves. So we plan our passages accordingly.

- Car seat.  We have a quality seat that gets strapped down in the saloon and she gets strapped in it should the weather get bad or I absolutely need a hand with something. We do not strap her to us and try to multi task the boat duties.

- A hammock in the shade of the cockpit for naps and such. So she isn’t always down below by herself.

- A small portable chair that sets on a seat.  Like a high chair, minus the legs.

- Food and nappies.  Plan well.  We are in Southeast Asia and trying to find things my wife is happy with is time consuming and costly when we do find some imported items.  I suppose this is dependent on your location though.

- Shots. If you’re electing to get shots for the kid plan out the locations.  As the shots are given based on the age of the kid.

- Passport right away for foreign travel

- Ro Sham Bo sunglasses for infants (when she leaves them on).

- A large umbrella for tender travel.

Good luck and enjoy.

Trevor

Iris, SN 027

Phuket

On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Eric,

First of all congratulations for little Nolan coming this June !!!

I love the Bahamas.
Just like you I work so internet is important to me.

One of my favorite place is Port Lucaya in Grand Bahama because of the reasonable monthly marina rate, access to groceries and other infrastructure, etc.
In 2014 I spent 4 months in Port Lucaya Marina / Yacht Club and paid \$600/month.
In 2015 I spent 3 months in Taino Beach (also in Port Lucaya) which became my favorite and paid \$540/month.
Because of their huge pool with a some shallow area, I am certain you, Viki and especially little Nolan will love this place!
I can look for pictures to send you.
The beach 3 minutes walk away from the marina, they are places to walk, lay down, etc.
They also loan you towels for a \$10 deposit and you can exchange them as often as you want, which you will realize is a considerable saving on laundry/generator time especially with the little one!..
I used my bicycle to go grocery shopping, but they have a bus going twice a week. In the super market you will find groceries as well as baby supplies.
I can not imagine a better place for you and your family.
Regarding the draft, you will have to wait almost “mid tide” to enter/leave the Bell Channel.
Port Lucaya is only 90 NM from Miami/Fort Lauderdale, so less than a day trip should you need to go. They i also an international airport.

Later in I also suggest you spend 1 months in Great Harbor Cay in the Berry Island. It is an overnight trip from Grand Bahama.
I was there in low season so the price was \$540/month, the prices are higher now, but I think you can negotiate and you get a discount with Active Captain.
Surprisingly the internet was the best I have seen in the Bahamas.
There was no issue to enter the channel even at low tide.
The beach was 20 minutes walk from the marina. They loan you bicycle if you don’t have any, the water is clearest I have seen.
There was no real grocery store some come prepared, therefore the fishermen come back every afternoon with 250 to 250 lobsters and sell you “tail only” for \$10/lbs. Sailing along the coast is excellent for fishing!

As Nolan grows up (but wait him to be tall enough for all the ride), then a stop in Atlantis is a must. Not sure who will like the place the most Nolan or dad! But it is quite expensive per day. Nassau is an overnight trip from the Berry Island.
There is no worry for the draft. Atlantis is also very protected from Hurricane.

Hope that helps, please feel free to contact me directly if you want pictures of the places.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3/11/18, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2018, 11:18 PM

Hello amel family.
Viki and I are expecting (this is
why the boat is on the hard right now) our first little crew
member
Nolan
(insert middle name)  Meury will be arriving this
June.
Our plan is
to spend November and December around Stuart Florida as
Nolan will be signed up for infant water survival classes
there.  Then we are thinking of heading the bahamas for a
month and then back to GA where we will keep the boat for
the next hurricane season.
I have two requirements for the
bahamas...
1.  Some place that has access
to mobile internet or awesome wifi as i still have to work m
start up (www.pascalworkflow.com) and my tax
practice.
2.  Some place that we don't
have to worry about draft (marsh harbor or Georgetown? -
other ideas)

Also would love some Amel specific
or non amel specific for those that have had their baby on
board.
Thanks
again

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Warren Traill

Hi Trevor. We are on our Sharki #15. We’ve been cruising West coast Thailand/Langkawi for some time. We are also considering the east rally and will be at Rebak next week. Are you guys in that area?

Cheers,

Warren and Zetta

Manon2

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 4:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Hello Eric,

Congratulations on the little one!

Our daughter was born in July (in the UK) last year and arrived on the boat 2 months later (in Phuket).

We’ve been living full time and traveling coastal. We are about to do the Passage to the East Rally which heads down the Straight to Singapore and then over to Borneo.

As you can imagine my wife has had some concerns with an infant on a boat.

I’m sure you’ve thought of most of these items but here is a quick list that has affected us.

- It is pretty much child proof already (no low sockets, locking doors and cabinets, rounded edges etc.

- We are in a Santorin so the berthing might be different. Our aft cabin had a small cushioned section with a leeboard on the starboard side.  I relocated it a foot more inboard and now my kid has her own bed in our cabin with all sides protecting her from rolling out - she’s now a week shy of 8 months and pulling herself over them so we are getting two Lee cloths sown up.  One for her bed and the other for the bunk in the saloon.  You might opt for the pilot bunk though.

- We bought a Salus Infant Vest for her once she was 6 months. She uses this to chill in the water with us.  A great vest for kids as no matter how they enter the water they end up face up.  I’ve tested it well and am positive it works.

- In the tender we strap her in a chest harness to one of us. We are both competent swimmers and while she is attached our only role is to look after her. No other tender duties. Not that we couldn’t but even a simple task of tying up to the dock is not worth it. A slip of the foot in the wet dinghy, you’d fall forward and crush her. So we just play it safe and make sure there is always positive control.

- We don’t have as much space as an SM so we opted for a small umbrella type stroller. We would prefer something larger that would recline back so she could sleep / nap when we are off the boat.

- Welcome to single handling everything.  That kid is a non stop attention taker.  Not by choice, it’s just an infant that poops by itself.  That’s the only thing it does on its own. Everything else is on us. So one of us is off boat duty and on kid duty.  So night passages are almost a no go for us at the moment.  As neither one of us gets an ‘off watch’ time to sleep ourselves. So we plan our passages accordingly.

- Car seat.  We have a quality seat that gets strapped down in the saloon and she gets strapped in it should the weather get bad or I absolutely need a hand with something. We do not strap her to us and try to multi task the boat duties.

- A hammock in the shade of the cockpit for naps and such. So she isn’t always down below by herself.

- A small portable chair that sets on a seat.  Like a high chair, minus the legs.

- Food and nappies.  Plan well.  We are in Southeast Asia and trying to find things my wife is happy with is time consuming and costly when we do find some imported items.  I suppose this is dependent on your location though.

- Shots. If you’re electing to get shots for the kid plan out the locations.  As the shots are given based on the age of the kid.

- Passport right away for foreign travel

- Ro Sham Bo sunglasses for infants (when she leaves them on).

- A large umbrella for tender travel.

Good luck and enjoy.

Trevor

Iris, SN 027

Phuket

On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Eric,

First of all congratulations for little Nolan coming this June !!!

I love the Bahamas.
Just like you I work so internet is important to me.

One of my favorite place is Port Lucaya in Grand Bahama because of the reasonable monthly marina rate, access to groceries and other infrastructure, etc.
In 2014 I spent 4 months in Port Lucaya Marina / Yacht Club and paid \$600/month.
In 2015 I spent 3 months in Taino Beach (also in Port Lucaya) which became my favorite and paid \$540/month.
Because of their huge pool with a some shallow area, I am certain you, Viki and especially little Nolan will love this place!
I can look for pictures to send you.
The beach 3 minutes walk away from the marina, they are places to walk, lay down, etc.
They also loan you towels for a \$10 deposit and you can exchange them as often as you want, which you will realize is a considerable saving on laundry/generator time especially with the little one!.
I used my bicycle to go grocery shopping, but they have a bus going twice a week. In the super market you will find groceries as well as baby supplies.
I can not imagine a better place for you and your family.
Regarding the draft, you will have to wait almost “mid tide” to enter/leave the Bell Channel.
Port Lucaya is only 90 NM from Miami/Fort Lauderdale, so less than a day trip should you need to go. They i also an international airport.

Later in I also suggest you spend 1 months in Great Harbor Cay in the Berry Island. It is an overnight trip from Grand Bahama.
I was there in low season so the price was \$540/month, the prices are higher now, but I think you can negotiate and you get a discount with Active Captain.
Surprisingly the internet was the best I have seen in the Bahamas.
There was no issue to enter the channel even at low tide.
The beach was 20 minutes walk from the marina. They loan you bicycle if you don’t have any, the water is clearest I have seen.
There was no real grocery store some come prepared, therefore the fishermen come back every afternoon with 250 to 250 lobsters and sell you “tail only” for \$10/lbs. Sailing along the coast is excellent for fishing!

As Nolan grows up (but wait him to be tall enough for all the ride), then a stop in Atlantis is a must. Not sure who will like the place the most Nolan or dad! But it is quite expensive per day. Nassau is an overnight trip from the Berry Island.
There is no worry for the draft. Atlantis is also very protected from Hurricane.

Hope that helps, please feel free to contact me directly if you want pictures of the places.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 3/11/18, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2018, 11:18 PM

Hello amel family.
Viki and I are expecting (this is
why the boat is on the hard right now) our first little crew
member
Nolan
(insert middle name)  Meury will be arriving this
June.
Our plan is
to spend November and December around Stuart Florida as
Nolan will be signed up for infant water survival classes
there.  Then we are thinking of heading the bahamas for a
month and then back to GA where we will keep the boat for
the next hurricane season.
I have two requirements for the
bahamas...
1.  Some place that has access
to mobile internet or awesome wifi as i still have to work m
start up (www.pascalworkflow.com) and my tax
practice.
2.  Some place that we don't
have to worry about draft (marsh harbor or Georgetown? -
other ideas)

Also would love some Amel specific
or non amel specific for those that have had their baby on
board.
Thanks
again

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Bob Grey

Hi Paul, you need to put the thruster in the down position, unbolt the motor and lift it up to replace the flex coupling, two bolts come out with a standard Allen key  but the bolt behind the motor needs Ann extra long key or in my case I cut an Allen key section 5cm and used an extension socket to remove the last bolt, warning the motor is heavy.

Bob Grey
Amel 55.

On Friday, March 23, 2018, 04:10, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Joel,

Thanks.On further investigation I may have answered my own question. It looks like the flexible coupling is accessable from inside the boat. I'd still be interested in any advice in how best to go about changing it.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: How much anchor chain?

Alan Leslie

We had 70m of 10mm when we bought Elyse, which wasn't enough.
We replaced it with 100m of 10mm ISO Maggi Aqua 4 chain in 2014.
Crusing in the Pacific that is only just enough.
When I replace it again, I will get 125m, there'a plenty of space in our anchor locker.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 'Cristec Devolteur'

Hi Woody,
"Devolteur" means "step down" or "buck", so I'm going to guess it's a DC-DC converter of some kind.  It seems to be made by this company.  I don't see anything exactly like it on their website, but perhaps you could contact them and ask if they can identify it from the photo.  I do not believe it to be original, but I'm pretty new to this stuff, so take that with a grain of salt.

I think it's unlikely that the voltages at the bottom represent the input and output, unless for some reason you have some 32V circuitry on your boat.  I suspect that is the input voltage range.  Maybe it makes 12V, like the converters at the nav station?  It could even be a DC-DC charger for the 12V starting battery.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:53 PM, alanwood123@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I can't seem to find any reference to this transformer - see picture - on the forums. Is it an add-on by a previous owner or an Amel original?  If so.. erm, what exactly is it for as I can't seem to trace the wires to anywhere?

Woody

SM#189

Re: How much anchor chain?

greatketch@...

Miles,

If I was equipping Harmonie from scratch, I'd likely go with 100m of chain, although I'd stay with the 10mm chain we have.  But we bought her with 60m of chain spliced to 60m of line.  So far, in cruising the East coast of the USA and the windward islands of the Caribbean, we have yet to deploy all 60m of chain.

On my old boat I had a similar setup, and there were times anchoring in Hawaiian waters I deployed all the chain--and most of the line--anchoring in almost 15m of water.

I figure I can anchor in nearly 10m of depth (@ a scope of 7) without the splice touching bottom, so shifting to all chain hasn't really been a priority.  I might change my mind when our cruising ground includes deeper anchorages of the South Pacific, but on the other hand Harmonie has been around the world twice with her current setup, so it can't be too bad!

Something to consider, is that an extra 50m of 12mm chain will add almost 200kg to the bow.  That's a LOT.

So...  I haven't got an absolute recommendation for you, and likely haven't told you anything you haven't already thought of.  It would be easy to find someone to make an absolute statement that 100m of chain is "required" and also you'll be told that what you have is fine.

From an anchoring perspective, 100m of chain would be better, from a sailing performance perspective, the extra weight in the bow is a significant downside. I don't think either choice is obviously wrong, just a matter of priorities.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
(where we are always anchored in less than 3.5m of water!)

How much anchor chain?

smiles bernard

Hi there
My older (not super) Maramu came to me with 50m 12mm chain

I plan to cruise the North Atlantic with a slim chance of also going further across the Pacific.

Ideally I’d like 100m chain but the expense and hassle of change and finding the right chain for my gypsy abroad in the canaries has got me thinking about splicing octiplat instead

I’d be interested to hear others chain /rode strategies

Miles

Maramu 162

'Cristec Devolteur'

alanwood123@...

I can't seem to find any reference to this transformer - see picture - on the forums. Is it an add-on by a previous owner or an Amel original?  If so.. erm, what exactly is it for as I can't seem to trace the wires to anywhere?