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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
greatketch@...
As a default, it is a perfectly rational and safe assumption to never use a connecting link. You will never have a failure because of that decision. But properly sourced and assembled they are safe and useful. Properly made, drop-forged, heat treated, c-links should be as strong as the chain itself. The issue is: how do you know you have a properly made one and not some brittle cast steel POS from an anonymous Chinese steel mill? With any "mission critical" shackle or other such metal part, I have always tried to source through an industrial supplier who specializes in such things. That means NOT West Marine, who seems to buy from whoever is cheapest that week. I have a love/hate relationship with WM. This is one of those areas I go somewhere else. Good suppliers who sell parts that are used to lift heavy loads over people's heads tend to be REALLY careful about where their parts come from. They know they are one lawsuit from being out of business. They always have documentation all the way back to the original mill heat that made the steel. And you will pay for that care! A downside about even the best such connectors is they tend to have very thin galvanizing, and need to be inspected and replaced on a schedule because they rust much faster than the chain they are holding together, especially the rivets that were peened to hold everything together. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
Agree
Would NEVER use a joining link in anchor chain. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
Hi Bill Yes, we had pre-marked that spot on our plotter the night before entering but customs would not have any of that. We were instructed to go to a specific location on the other side and then had to hunt around for 45mins in 50m+ to find a little spot with 42m. Thanks for the tip about the chain, and yes, Amel are super friendly and helpful. The factory is extremely busy this month with the new 50's, and they have pushed our job in, plus been totally reasonable with the price. Being a management consultant myself, this is the sign of an amazing company, I mean being prepared to drop things and help the 2nd owner of a 16 year old boat! A lot of corporations could learn a thing or two from this company who's brand is "GOLD" right now. That was not an accident, and yes, of course the guys on Delos have helped quite a bit too. Best regards to you and Judy. Colin Amel 53 #332
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:27 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Colin Streeter 0411 016 445
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Colin, For what it is worth from a SM owner that has been there/done that: You didn't find the tiny shallow (16 meters) spot at the Male Customs/Immigration lat/lon? There is a little bump in the bottom very close to the lat/lon they publish. However, only 1 or 2 boats can anchor on this tiny spot. I think 120 of chain is overkill and overweight on your bow. 100 will work, and remember required scope decreases as depth increases. If you still want 120 meters, splice 20 meters of anchor rode to your 100 chain. I was happy to hear that Amel is making you a new bow thruster. I think all SMs worldwide increased slightly in value with that news. Best, CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool. 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
We are currently in the Maldives and on the very first day we dropped anchor here we were forced to anchor in 42m water waiting 4 hrs for customs. This was double the depth of anywhere we anchored over the past year cruising Australia, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand! Thinking all Amel SM's came with 100m chain (instead of 80m) unfortunately stupidly without first measuring it, I cut off 15m chain to leave on our spare anchor (the lovely Stainless CQR that came with this boat from Amel) we now only have 65 m 10mm chain, and getting our 30m rode joined on is a real pain due to the small opening into the chain locker. This has turned out to be the biggest mistake I have yet made with this boat! Finding anchorages under 20m here in Maldives has been a real challenge. There are no cruising guides yet, just positions from previous cruisers blogs, and two very outdated guides from 1998 and 2005 which have yet to find us an single acceptable anchorage. This has meant pushing the boundaries in crossing un-chartered reef passes almost every single afternoon, to enter lagoons hunting for an anchorage shallow enough. Fortunately we have an aluminium dinghy with a depth sounder fitted, and I send that ahead most afternoons to check depths of reefs before crossing them, but with sufficient chain this would often not be required. With the balance of the Indian Ocean crossing, South Atlantic, and then the Pacific still in front of us, where there are probably plenty issues finding shallow anchorages, first chance I get we will be moving to new 10mm 120m chain! Hope nobody repeats my mistake! Colin Amel54 #332
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:24 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Colin Streeter 0411 016 445
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Dimitris, This is valuable information about the SidePower Thruster on the 54. The pin that you mention:
Best, CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:17 AM, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -
Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
Congratulations!
We live in the Bahamas, on land, with our SM at our sea wall. From 2002 to 2007 we lived aboard our Nordhaven at Grand Bahama Yacht Club, which was closed for awhile but I think it has re-openned. Since Alex was here, some things have changed. I, personally, would not stay at Port Lucaya— way to noisy and a bit run-down, especially after the last 2 hurricanes, Matthew and Irma. But, across the way, is a small club-like marina with beautiful grounds run by a delightful couple, Barb and Laurie (Laurence) Sykes. Also, another choice, Ocean Reef has more of a community feel with many boaters returning annually. Also has a pool. Internet on island is dicey, at best. Rather than depend on any marina, I would suggest getting a sim card from Aliv and getting their unlimited data and cell for about $120/ o or just the unltd data. Feel free to contact me. Stephanie SM353 Indecent
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Miles, the 10mm chain is perfectly adequate for the SM so that would be your best choice. I wouldn't like to rely on a joining link, especially not one put on every now and then, Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Paul, I respectfully make the following points:
Best, CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: How much anchor chain?
greatketch@...
Bill R,
I have always set my depth offset so the fathometer reads the actual water depth. It minimizes the chance for me making careless mistakes in arithmetic because I spend a LOT more time comparing my fathometer reading to the chart than anything else. Other people do other things, of course, but I did make the (possibly rash?) assumption that when I talk about "water depth" to sailors they understand how to convert their own fathometer reading to a water depth. If anybody is using the depth under their keel to calculate anchor scope, they have probably already lost their boat. I guess I was not clear in making my main point. I did not mean to imply that I could anchor with ONLY 60 meters of chain in 10m of water. I said I could anchor in nearly 10m of depth (@ a scope of 7) without the splice touching bottom. That was apparently unclear, so here is what I meant... If I am anchoring in 10m of water, and adding 2m for the height of the bow roller (mine is actually 1.6m, but let's round up just for fun!): I need 7*12=84m of scope. if I let out all my chain that's a scope of 5:1, and if I let out an additional 12 meters of line, I am at 6:1 and my splice is JUST touching the bottom in dead flat calm conditions. Of course if I have let out 12 meters of line, there is no need to add extra for a snubber. I hope you'll grant me that I wasn't too far off when I wrote that I can go to NEARLY 10m of depth without the splice touching bottom. Of course if ALL you have is 60m of chain, then 10 meters of water depth is out of range in anything except reliably mild conditions. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas ---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote : Bill, I am writing this to clarify something in your recent post about anchor scope. I am sure you know this, but there wasn't enough detail in your post that newbies will certainly need. 10 meters indicated on the depth instrument is actually 10 meters of water, only if you have the depth Datum set to water depth rather than actual transducer depth, or keel depth. If you have the Datum set to keel depth (as many do), you need to add this to the scope computation. Unless the Datum is set to indicate actual water depth, you are probably closer to 12 meters. You can find information on the Datum offset in your depth instrument manual. FYI, I was recently in an Amel that someone had attempted to set the Datum to indicate the depth of the keel. That person then relied on his depth instrument in shallow water, but because he set the Datum wrong, when his keel touched bottom, his instruments indicated 3 meters. When this boat was hauled out, there were more than 10 large chips on the cast iron ballast and a large chips in the rudder. Additionally, your bow roller is about 2 meters above the water, so when computing scope you'll need to add this to the computation. The easiest way is to add it to the indicated depth. Also, many of us like to have a lazy loop of chain between the snubber connection to the chain and the bow roller. Chances are that with 10 meters depth indicated on your depth sounder, you need to use somewhere between 12 and 14 as depth in the scope computation. I doubt that you can get 7:1 in 10 meters of water with 60 meters of chain...I believe that the most that you could have is between 4 and 5:1. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
smiles bernard
Thanks Bill good info there All the best Miles
On Friday, March 23, 2018, 2:45:42 PM GMT, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Look here for great information on C-links to connect two lengths of chain. (but look quick! His web hosting expires soon!) Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
greatketch@...
Look here for great information on C-links to connect two lengths of chain. (but look quick! His web hosting expires soon!)
Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning
ya_fohi
Many thanks Bob, I'll give it a try.
Paul
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Batteries
Batteries again, Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about the Vmax batteries? They have two interesting batteries SLR125 and the XTR-135 125/135 Ah for a group 31 type batteries, with the 135 I would get 540 Ah instead normal 420 Ah a significant difference. Price looks ok 2268 $ for 8 batteries free delivered, cost for the 8 125 Ah 1840 USD delivered. Good prices for AGM batteries https://www.vmaxtanks.com/XTR31-135-12Volts-135AH-Deep-Cycle-XTREME-AGM-Battery-_p_176.html Not very much reviews on internet but a few on Y tube but one do not know who behind the reviews Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259
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Re: How much anchor chain?
yahoogroups@...
Bill, I am writing this to clarify something in your recent post about anchor scope. I am sure you know this, but there wasn't enough detail in your post that newbies will certainly need. 10 meters indicated on the depth instrument is actually 10 meters of water, only if you have the depth Datum set to water depth rather than actual transducer depth, or keel depth. If you have the Datum set to keel depth (as many do), you need to add this to the scope computation. Unless the Datum is set to indicate actual water depth, you are probably closer to 12 meters. You can find information on the Datum offset in your depth instrument manual. FYI, I was recently in an Amel that someone had attempted to set the Datum to indicate the depth of the keel. That person then relied on his depth instrument in shallow water, but because he set the Datum wrong, when his keel touched bottom, his instruments indicated 3 meters. When this boat was hauled out, there were more than 10 large chips on the cast iron ballast and a large chips in the rudder. Additionally, your bow roller is about 2 meters above the water, so when computing scope you'll need to add this to the computation. The easiest way is to add it to the indicated depth. Also, many of us like to have a lazy loop of chain between the snubber connection to the chain and the bow roller. Chances are that with 10 meters depth indicated on your depth sounder, you need to use somewhere between 12 and 14 as depth in the scope computation. I doubt that you can get 7:1 in 10 meters of water with 60 meters of chain...I believe that the most that you could have is between 4 and 5:1. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: 'Cristec Devolteur'
Beaute Olivier
Hello Woody, this was a special request from the new owner. He wanted to charge his batteries with voltage up to 32V, but did not want to feed his appliances with 32V (while charging), so, this DC/DC converter was supplying all the appliances, except the big motors (winches, windlass, furlers and bow-thruster) with a maximum of 26 V. In my opinion, this system is obsolete and potentially dangerous (because of the 32V charge settings). You may take down this device and come back to the usual wiring, BUT, make sure first that your means of charge (alternator on main engine and battery chargers) don't go above 28.8V. If you're not familiar with DC electricity, you should hire a skilled company for that. Good luck. Olivier
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
smiles bernard
thanks very much for the swift responses to this question I agree 100m chain would be my preference..... I reread Beth Leonaids Blue Water Cruising last night - the section on anchoring Their 40ft suffered badly from too much chain in the bow so they stowed a 2nd section of chain in the mid bilges and used a chain connector (one of the ones you rivet together) in the Pacific I worry about the chain connector as a weak point but it would mean i could keep the existing chain i have ( good condition ) The main thing i want is to sleep easy and have minimum hassle when anchoring - rode is a pain tbh ! ;) I suppose i could change the windlass gypsy and go 100m of smaller 10mm chain instead of the current 50ish meters of 12mm plus rode Food for thought and very helpful input many thanks again Miles
On Friday, March 23, 2018, 8:06:20 AM GMT, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
I agree Alan Danny
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning
Oops! I’m bad. Too much time in the sun latey.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
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amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Paul. Previously a client and now a friend, Mark on CREAMPUFF might not have noticed that you have an Amel 54 and not a Super Maramu 53. The bow thrusters on these boats are entirely different from one another and I do not believe there is a tool for the 54 that allows one to remove the propeller leg while in the water. My SM 53 had this tool and I made use of it on more than one occasion. My 54 didn’t have a water service tool or mention of this in the manual as far as I can remember. Anyone out there with an Amel 54, please feel free to correct me if I am in error. Wouldn’t be the only time…
All The Best, Joel Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi all,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
I agree Alan Danny
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