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Re: where do you store your tools?

Duane Siegfri
 

Also, I keep a tool roll up with my "90%" tools (yep, 90% of the time one of these will do the job).

I keep it in the footspace under the navigation desk.

Duane


Re: where do you store your tools?

Duane Siegfri
 

I have all my tools and many of the sealants, and special greases, etc, in the first deck locker fwd of the companionway.  There are three separate compartments in this locker with enough room for:

1.  Electric bag with all the strippers, crimpers, solderers, and testers.
2.  Electric bag with connectors, shrink, spare wire, and other fittings.
3.  Large engine tool bag.
4.  Tool bag with rachets.
5.  Misc tool bag with woodworking tools, portable vise (very useful), etc.
6.  In the stern-most section I have large plastic zip-locs with supplies like:  wire ties, sealants, special grease, blocks & shackles, buffer, etc.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Rats!

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

I tried to gently pry the Amel Logo/plastic piece off, but they used a good sealant on it and I think I'll do more harm than good.

It seems like I could take some screening and some silicone and just glue it on.  It would come off easily when it's full of lint or kitchen grease and then I could renew it with new screen and silicone...what do you think?

And..as much as you are on the move, how do you keep in touch?  I'd be interested in hearing how you do that.

Thanks for your reply!

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Rats!

Duane Siegfri
 

Alexandre,

Thanks for the advice.  We think of you often and hope that things are going as well as they can for you.  Terrible times for sure.  I hope something good comes of it!!!

Duane


Re: where do you store your tools?

Philippe Morel
 

Under the first step , in a toolbox . One of my friends , have made a superb woodcraft work with two drowers .
Easy and superb .
Philippe SM 238


Re: Rats!

greatketch@...
 

The suggestion we got was to use metal screening on those vents, under the logo plate.  If the boat is closed tight, they offer the only access to the interior for a rat-sized rodent.  A mouse is small enough it probably has a few other options.

If on the other hand you are living on the boat with hatches and such open routinely, it is REALLY hard to be really rat-proof.  Bottles on the lines help and every little bit sure helps, but much of the time boats are close enough to the dock for a motivated rat to jump onto the deck if it is below dock level.

When I lived in the San Francisco area I knew a young German guy who kept a boat on a mooring in Hawaii.  He spent winters there, and summers working on boats in the Bay Area.  He went back to the boat one year and found a rat had gotten onboard, almost certainly climbing the mooring line after a long swim.  It did many thousands of dollars worth of damage to wiring, hoses, and woodwork before it died.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] where do you store your tools?

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

I keep two “quick grab” boxes on the shelf in the pass through.


I keep an assortment of frequently used basics in the chart drawer. 


And the bulk of everything else goes in a large Rigid brand box in the engine room. I find it adds a great landing spot for stepping into the engine room(much easier to step on than the yellow step) and it gives me a great seat for oil changes and most everything else I need to do in the engine room. 





Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Georgetown, Exuma



On Mar 24, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I'm wondering where you store all your tools.  I feel like most of us are very handy, so we must have a lot of them.  I use many of my tools on a near-daily basis, so I like to keep them easily accessible.  I've filled both of the drawers beneath the starboard settee, and I still have more tools that need homes!  Is there some awesome storage place I haven't thought of?  Where do you keep yours?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


where do you store your tools?

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
I'm wondering where you store all your tools.  I feel like most of us are very handy, so we must have a lot of them.  I use many of my tools on a near-daily basis, so I like to keep them easily accessible.  I've filled both of the drawers beneath the starboard settee, and I still have more tools that need homes!  Is there some awesome storage place I haven't thought of?  Where do you keep yours?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

The best way we have found to prevent rats from walking the lines onto the boat is to use an empty one liter soda bottle. Place the bottle between the dock and the boat with the rope passing through the bottle, longways (punch a hole in the bottom of the bottle). The bottle will spin on the rope it a rat tries to walk it. We used electrical ties to act as stoppers to prevent the bottle from moving up and down the rope. It not a pretty solution but it works. Or, you can get a cat.

 

BTW – it is also good practice to spray about the dock cleats with bug spray to prevent roaches from boarding via dock lines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!

 

 

We've had the unwelcome visitor as a result of a West Palm Beach Marina.

 

I'm looking for all points of entry and wondered what others might have done about the exhaust behind the port side Amel logo panel, just even with the helm.  It has three round openings, I assume for the kitchen exhaust.  None of them have screens so a mouse or rat could climb in and exit around the fan blades.

 

Has anyone found a good way to put a screen around it?  Or maybe feel that it's not needed?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I forgot (this is what I am doing now in the apartment): “Keep the lights on”.
Back in Tortola, I put motion detector light.



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On Sat, 3/24/18, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018, 12:45 PM


 









Hello Duane,



I feel for you! This happened to me over a year ago in
Tortola…

Took me 10 days to get rid of the rat… (it is on my
facebook).

If you think it tenter through the Amel logo then into the
kitchen fan, may be you can temporarily block the logo

http://www.nikimat.com/engine_room_air_intake.html

In my case, it was entering through the hatches, so I just
closed them all, then one night tried to cut the mosquito
mesh going to my cabin…

If you think the rat is inside the boat: make lots of noise
(with boat horn, let your neighbors know first).

If you think it comes at night close everything and put
traps…

Make sure it die outside the boat, they smell terribly when
dead…

Good luck.. Alexandre



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On Sat, 3/24/18, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018, 12:35 PM





 



















We've had the unwelcome visitor as

a result of a West Palm Beach Marina.

I'm looking for all

points of entry and wondered what others might have done

about the exhaust behind the port side Amel logo panel,
just

even with the helm.  It has three round openings, I
assume

for the kitchen exhaust.  None of them have screens so
a

mouse or rat could climb in and exit around the fan

blades.

Has anyone found a good way

to put a screen around it?  Or maybe feel that it's
not

needed?

Thanks,DuaneWanderer,

SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Duane,

I feel for you! This happened to me over a year ago in Tortola…
Took me 10 days to get rid of the rat… (it is on my facebook).
If you think it tenter through the Amel logo then into the kitchen fan, may be you can temporarily block the logo
http://www.nikimat.com/engine_room_air_intake.html
In my case, it was entering through the hatches, so I just closed them all, then one night tried to cut the mosquito mesh going to my cabin…
If you think the rat is inside the boat: make lots of noise (with boat horn, let your neighbors know first).
If you think it comes at night close everything and put traps…
Make sure it die outside the boat, they smell terribly when dead…
Good luck.. Alexandre




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On Sat, 3/24/18, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rats!
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2018, 12:35 PM


 









We've had the unwelcome visitor as
a result of a West Palm Beach Marina.
I'm looking for all
points of entry and wondered what others might have done
about the exhaust behind the port side Amel logo panel, just
even with the helm.  It has three round openings, I assume
for the kitchen exhaust.  None of them have screens so a
mouse or rat could climb in and exit around the fan
blades.
Has anyone found a good way
to put a screen around it?  Or maybe feel that it's not
needed?
Thanks,DuaneWanderer,
SM#477


Rats!

Duane Siegfri
 

We've had the unwelcome visitor as a result of a West Palm Beach Marina.


I'm looking for all points of entry and wondered what others might have done about the exhaust behind the port side Amel logo panel, just even with the helm.  It has three round openings, I assume for the kitchen exhaust.  None of them have screens so a mouse or rat could climb in and exit around the fan blades.


Has anyone found a good way to put a screen around it?  Or maybe feel that it's not needed?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

James Alton
 

Nick,

   I hope that you are also enjoying the transition from a yawl to a ketch.  (grin)  

   If you search on grade 70 chain in the Amel Groups you will find a lot if information on this subject.  I seem to recall that JPG who owns the SM 007 is using 5/16” (8 MM) grade 70 on his 53’ SM.  It would be best to get this information direct from the source if possible.  Given that Amel originally installed 10 mm on your boat I would have to think that it is adequate.  You could make an inquiry to see what grade they used originally.


Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Mar 24, 2018, at 3:32 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have an Amel 54 (Amelia #019 2006) she is my third boat and my largest.  I have concerns that 10mm chain is not strong enough, for such a large vessel. She has very rusty 10mm chain. Unknown grade, but presumably supplied by Amel from new.


Does anyone know what grade 10mm chain Amel supplied 

My last boat was 46 ft and 10T, a Bowman 46. I cruised her extensively and used 10mm Aqua 4 chain. Never felt like it would break.

My previous boat to that was a 35 ft Gaff cutter (Faith of Norfolk) Also 10T that I circumnavigated and used 10mm chain. I am not sure what grade it was. I also felt than the chain was super strong.

The sheer size and windage of Amelia suggests to me that she needs 12mm chain not 10mm.  Not to mention the massive bow rollers and well built bow structure and anchoring system sporting what to my eye looks like puny chain!

However looking at the (aquachain.it) Maggi chain web site I find that if I use Aqua 7 10mm grade chain then I will have a breaking strain that is more than the 12mm  grade 4.

The drawbacks are price and re-galvanising. Apparently re-galvanising grade 7 may weaken it slightly though not by very much.

Any thoughts out there?

Nick



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Porter McRoberts
 

Bob and Paul. 
I think I can speak for us 54 owners: we are listening closely. 
Can the rest of the discussion be public and include us?  

Many thanks

Porter
Ibis. 54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:58 AM, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,
Amel has sent me their work instrucition for doing this, which I have attached. Interestingly they do not say to lower the bow thruster first, and also their procedure looks to be quite a bit more complicated than just removing just a few bolts. So I'm not sure which procedure to use. I'd be interested in your view on this, especially as you have done this before. Is it the same arrangement on the 55?
Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

<20180323111909496.pdf>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi
 

Bob,
Looks like the attachment didn't upload. I have now uploaded a file "Bowthruster flex coupling replacement.pdf"
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi
 

Hi Bob,
Amel has sent me their work instrucition for doing this, which I have attached. Interestingly they do not say to lower the bow thruster first, and also their procedure looks to be quite a bit more complicated than just removing just a few bolts. So I'm not sure which procedure to use. I'd be interested in your view on this, especially as you have done this before. Is it the same arrangement on the 55?
Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

I have an Amel 54 (Amelia #019 2006) she is my third boat and my largest.  I have concerns that 10mm chain is not strong enough, for such a large vessel. She has very rusty 10mm chain. Unknown grade, but presumably supplied by Amel from new.

Does anyone know what grade 10mm chain Amel supplied 

My last boat was 46 ft and 10T, a Bowman 46. I cruised her extensively and used 10mm Aqua 4 chain. Never felt like it would break.

My previous boat to that was a 35 ft Gaff cutter (Faith of Norfolk) Also 10T that I circumnavigated and used 10mm chain. I am not sure what grade it was. I also felt than the chain was super strong.

The sheer size and windage of Amelia suggests to me that she needs 12mm chain not 10mm.  Not to mention the massive bow rollers and well built bow structure and anchoring system sporting what to my eye looks like puny chain!

However looking at the (aquachain.it) Maggi chain web site I find that if I use Aqua 7 10mm grade chain then I will have a breaking strain that is more than the 12mm  grade 4.

The drawbacks are price and re-galvanising. Apparently re-galvanising grade 7 may weaken it slightly though not by very much.

Any thoughts out there?

Nick


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

greatketch@...
 

As a default, it is a perfectly rational and safe assumption to never use a connecting link. You will never have a failure because of that decision.  But properly sourced and assembled they are safe and useful.

One of the interesting things you learn hanging out in yards around really big boats is that in larger sizes, chain comes in "shots".  One "shot" of chain is 15 fathoms, or 90 feet.  On large yachts and ships, anchor chains are all assembled from "shot" lengths using riveted "c-links" to connect them.

Properly made, drop-forged, heat treated, c-links should be as strong as the chain itself.  The issue is:  how do you know you have a properly made one and not some brittle cast steel POS from an anonymous Chinese steel mill? 

With any "mission critical" shackle or other such metal part, I have always tried to source through an industrial supplier who specializes in such things. That means NOT West Marine, who seems to buy from whoever is cheapest that week.  I have a love/hate relationship with WM.  This is one of those areas I go somewhere else.

Good suppliers who sell parts that are used to lift heavy loads over people's heads tend to be REALLY careful about where their parts come from. They know they are one lawsuit from being out of business. They always have documentation all the way back to the original mill heat that made the steel. And you will pay for that care!

A downside about even the best such connectors is they tend to have very thin galvanizing, and need to be inspected and replaced on a schedule because they rust much faster than the chain they are holding together, especially the rivets that were peened to hold everything together.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much anchor chain?

Alan Leslie
 

Agree
Would NEVER use a joining link in anchor chain.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437