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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation second autopilot

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Niklas,

I’m a little surprised you do not have a rotary drive, as I’ve seen many SMs, and they all had one. I’d be curious to know how many of you out there do not have a rotary drive. I own hull #72 (1992), and at that time the boats only came with a rotary drive, and at a later hull number Amel re-designed the rudder quadrant to accept a linear drive. 

If you decide to add a Rotary drive, you need to find a Raymarine type II 24 volt drive. The 12 volt drives are usually in stock here in the USA, but a 24 volt version is hard to find. I purchased a new 24v drive from Raymarine USA about a year and a half ago, and it was the last on they had to sell at that time. I suspect if you talk to the right person at Raymarine they can find you one, but you may have to wait a bit. 

With regards to the sprockets, on my boat the drive sprocket on the rotary drive is 19 teeth, and on the steering shaft it is 38 teeth. No guarantees the newer boats are the same, but I suspect they are. I just purchased a new steering shaft and sprocket for the shaft from Maude, and she was surprised to find they still had the shaft 38 tooth sprocket on the shelf. It sounded like I got the last sprocket, but you would have to ask Maude to be sure. Amel does not have the rotary drive sprocket or the chain. Raymarine actually has a part number for the drive sprocket, but when I spoke to them, they said they no longer sell them. I’m sure the drive sprocket could be found from some industrial supply place, but so far, all the ones I’ve found have a keyway slightly to wide for the shaft. I’m also looking for a new chain as a spare, but have not found one yet. If anyone has a source or the exact specs on the chain, please let me know. 

I’m assuming since your boat did not come with a rotary drive, your steering shaft does not have a keyway machined in it to hold the sprocket. If that is the case, you will have to completely disassemble the steering system, take the steering shaft to a machine shop, and have a keyway machined into it. You can’t do this until you have the new drive mounted, and can check the exact alignment of the the sprocket on the drive to the shaft. I just purchased a new steering shaft and steering racks from Amel, and was surprised the new shaft did not come with the keyway machined into it, and I had to have a machine shop do it for me.

As you can see, to add a rotary drive now will require some effort and expense. If it were me, I’d probably purchase a spare Linear drive which you should be able to change out in a half hour. 

Best of luck with your project. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii


Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:12 PM, gloggler@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello


Im going to install Raymarine rotary drive type 2 24v as a second autopilot and wonder if anybody knows the size on steering sprocket, drive sprocket and chain and were i can it? Have been in contact with Amel but they did not know.


Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe SM2K #333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autohelm housing

greatketch@...
 

Sounds like a reasonably engineered solution!

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote :

Bill,
The hole where the wires come up is lined with a pipe that rises probably 3/4" above the deck.  With the "house" over the top, it functions somewhat like a dorade box.  I think it would take a very large amount of water to defeat these protections.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

Ian Townsend
 

Try DoeBoi in George Town, Great Exuma.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:19 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Like Mark said, check with the locals.  They will know what works on that island, and will likely have a brother-in-law or cousin who can help.


We found customs duty in the Bahamas to be pretty much a non-issue.  Not too long ago Bahamas reduced the import duties for most things to a pretty trivial amount, and in our experience officials don't bother even checking paperwork on most deliveries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autohelm housing

Ryan Meador
 

Bill,
The hole where the wires come up is lined with a pipe that rises probably 3/4" above the deck.  With the "house" over the top, it functions somewhat like a dorade box.  I think it would take a very large amount of water to defeat these protections.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:46 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,


The short answer is "No" they are not all like that, it is an after market modification.

If I understand what you describe correctly, and the angled housing for the Autopilot controller is not sealed down, how is water kept from leaking down through the wire access hole?  Under the dodger is not always wet, but it certainly happens that water flushes across that surface under some conditions.  Water (especially salt water!) running down into the utility space above the galley sink would be a bad thing.


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

This thread has me wondering if my boat is abnormal.  My autopilot "house" is only held down by two thumb screws.  Removing it is a common occurrence, as it's where the wires for the chartplotter come up through the deck, and the chartplotter is removable; whenever I put it below, I undo the "house" and tuck the wires underneath to protect them.  Reverse the procedure the next time I want to sail.  Relocating it would mostly just be a case of moving the two screws, as long as you stay within reach of the wire conduit beneath.  Is this not the way every Super Maramu is?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Installation second autopilot

Niklas Glöggler
 

Thanks Per-Erik

I look in to it

2018-03-29 16:39 GMT+02:00 lottaedwards@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hej Niklas,


Try svb.de they seems to have what you are looking for.

Hälsningar
Per-Erik
SM2K #373
Voyageur




--
Niklas Glöggler


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

greatketch@...
 

Like Mark said, check with the locals.  They will know what works on that island, and will likely have a brother-in-law or cousin who can help.

We found customs duty in the Bahamas to be pretty much a non-issue.  Not too long ago Bahamas reduced the import duties for most things to a pretty trivial amount, and in our experience officials don't bother even checking paperwork on most deliveries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autohelm housing

greatketch@...
 

Ryan,

The short answer is "No" they are not all like that, it is an after market modification.

If I understand what you describe correctly, and the angled housing for the Autopilot controller is not sealed down, how is water kept from leaking down through the wire access hole?  Under the dodger is not always wet, but it certainly happens that water flushes across that surface under some conditions.  Water (especially salt water!) running down into the utility space above the galley sink would be a bad thing.


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote :

This thread has me wondering if my boat is abnormal.  My autopilot "house" is only held down by two thumb screws.  Removing it is a common occurrence, as it's where the wires for the chartplotter come up through the deck, and the chartplotter is removable; whenever I put it below, I undo the "house" and tuck the wires underneath to protect them.  Reverse the procedure the next time I want to sail.  Relocating it would mostly just be a case of moving the two screws, as long as you stay within reach of the wire conduit beneath.  Is this not the way every Super Maramu is?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

Mark Erdos
 

Marc,

 

Ask the yacht club at Staniel Cay for a recommendation for a carrier to that island. Do not use FedEx. FedEx does not deliver to all the islands and you will need to pick it up at a FedEx office on one of the larger islands (more populated) such as New Providence or Great Exuma Cay. There are usually a couple of independent carriers who you can ship to. They will have an address in Ft. Lauderdale or Miami (USA address). They will bring the part over on a plane to Staniel Cay and you can get it at the airport from Customs. Be sure to mark the package as BOAT ENGINE PARTS if you do not wish to pay duty. You will need to show customs your Bahamas Cruising Permit and receipt for the part and its intended use. BTW – Duty is at the whim of the Customs Officer who may charge you anyway.

 

You will find the independent carrier fees about ½ of FedEx, much more reliable and faster.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

 

 

Hello All,

 

Can anyone tell me the best (most reliable and fastest) way to get parts in The Bahamas?  I need a relay for my Onan generator and have found a supplier in Orlando willing to ship to me.  They suggest FedEx.  Online and cruising book research indicates this may or may not be the best way based on where you are receiving the part.

 

Mark Isaac

SM #391

Staniel Cay, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Installation second autopilot

Lotta Edwards
 

Hej Niklas,

Try svb.de they seems to have what you are looking for.

Hälsningar
Per-Erik
SM2K #373
Voyageur


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: Frigoboat spares

Peter Forbes
 

Mark,

Many thanks -I think I have a good lead at the moment but will keep this website as next reserve.

Peter

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 28 Mar 2018, at 08:19, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Peter,

 

I am not a big fan of Coastal Climate Control due to a bad experience I had with them. I have since purchases Frigoboat parts from Go2Marine. I have found them less expensive (especially on shipping) and they ship worldwide: https://www.go2marine.com

 

Good luck with your repair.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Installation second autopilot

Niklas Glöggler
 

Thank you Duane 

My first autopilot is on the rudder so this one I gonna put over the kitchen were many boats have it. Ray marine in Sweden don’t have it, do you know anybody in Europe we’re I can buy?

Regards Niklas Sy nipe sm2k#333

Skickat från min iPhone

29 mars 2018 kl. 13:38 skrev sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Niklas,



There is a chart to help determine the size sprocket and chain to buy.  Raymarine sells the drive sprocket to attach to their drive and recommends a 3/8" chain.  I'm curious where you'll install it?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autohelm housing

Ryan Meador
 

This thread has me wondering if my boat is abnormal.  My autopilot "house" is only held down by two thumb screws.  Removing it is a common occurrence, as it's where the wires for the chartplotter come up through the deck, and the chartplotter is removable; whenever I put it below, I undo the "house" and tuck the wires underneath to protect them.  Reverse the procedure the next time I want to sail.  Relocating it would mostly just be a case of moving the two screws, as long as you stay within reach of the wire conduit beneath.  Is this not the way every Super Maramu is?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:49 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill.  I agree with your ergonomics note, but everything is a compromise!


Duane



Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

Mark Isaac
 

Hello All,


Can anyone tell me the best (most reliable and fastest) way to get parts in The Bahamas?  I need a relay for my Onan generator and have found a supplier in Orlando willing to ship to me.  They suggest FedEx.  Online and cruising book research indicates this may or may not be the best way based on where you are receiving the part.


Mark Isaac

SM #391

Staniel Cay, Bahamas


Re: In Mast Electric Furler question

Craig Briggs
 

Arlo,
This sounds like a typical reduction gearbox failure. With some deterioration in the worm shaft bearings over time the worm shaft goes a bit wobbly. Since it takes more force to furl than to unfurl, especially if the main isn't slacked, this wears down the teeth of the worm wheel on the side that is being loaded up each time it's furled. 

After a while the worm is not engaging the wheel on furling, but there's still enough "meat" on the gear teeth for it to engage when unfurling. A likely cause is water ingress that's rusted out the bearings, which is why it's good to install grease fittings on the gearbox.

Time for a new reduction gearbox, which is likely cheaper and more reliable than a rebuild.  I don't know which gearbox was on your boat, but see many posts on getting replacements, which should be easy.

Good luck with it,
Craig Briggs SN#68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <svplanb@...> wrote :

Hello all, looking for the collective wisdom from this group. I have a 1985 Mango. I suspect that this question might apply to all of the electric furlers despite their design differences over the years.


Below are the symptoms

  • The mainsail unfurls with the electric motor without issue and is fast and reliable. 
  • The mainsail will not furl in (counter clockwise around the mast) with the electric motor, the motor sounds like it is spinning
  • If I use the hand crank on the front of the motor mast, it furls in easily. So nothing is jammed, stuck or dragging inside the mast
  • If I unfurl the sail all the way out and keep going which results in the mainsail furling in the opposite direction (clockwise) around the mast it furls without problem
So my thoughts are that its is either
  • Solenoid issue
  • Electrical connect issue (corrosion) on that side of the motor
  • Maybe a worn gear on the motor that impacts that one direction only
Has anyone had this problem? 

BTW the boat sails awesome!

Thanks
Arlo


Re: Installation second autopilot

Duane Siegfri
 

Niklas,


There is a chart to help determine the size sprocket and chain to buy.  Raymarine sells the drive sprocket to attach to their drive and recommends a 3/8" chain.  I'm curious where you'll install it?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
 


Installation second autopilot

Niklas Glöggler
 

Hello


Im going to install Raymarine rotary drive type 2 24v as a second autopilot and wonder if anybody knows the size on steering sprocket, drive sprocket and chain and were i can it? Have been in contact with Amel but they did not know.


Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe SM2K #333


Re: Autohelm housing

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Bill.  I agree with your ergonomics note, but everything is a compromise!

Duane


Re: Autohelm housing

Duane Siegfri
 

Steve,

We're enjoying your FB posts...looks like everyones enjoying the trip!

Duane


Re: Autohelm housing

greatketch@...
 

I moved mine--to make room for a 12" Navpod...

Just siliconed down.  Take out the screws, and good to go.

There is room to move it, and I am reasonably happy with what I ended up with, but...  the ergonomics aren't the best.  The autopilot controllers ended up a bit too close to the wheel.  It is just too tempting to reach through the wheel spokes to work the buttons (a bad idea!). Fiddle with it a bit before you finalize the reattachment spot and maybe you'll find an inch or so makes a better arrangement.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I'm referring to the fiberglass "house" the Raymarine Autohelm controller resides in.  I'd like to move it to make room for a Navpod with a 12" plotter just forward.  I only need to move it aft an inch, and there appears to be room, but I don't know if it's bedded in silicone or is glued down.


Anybody moved it already and can advise me???


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autohelm housing

Stephen MORRISON <steve_morrison@...>
 

We removed ours this fall and placed the 
Navpod over its existing cutout. Ours seemed to be held in place by something similar to 3m 4200.  After removing r
The screws, I took a single edged razor blade and worked it under a corner, then continued right around until I could pull it up. 

Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Georgetown, Exuma


On Mar 28, 2018, at 8:19 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm referring to the fiberglass "house" the Raymarine Autohelm controller resides in.  I'd like to move it to make room for a Navpod with a 12" plotter just forward.  I only need to move it aft an inch, and there appears to be room, but I don't know if it's bedded in silicone or is glued down.


Anybody moved it already and can advise me???


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477