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Rescueing method of casualty (Person Over Board)

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Dear experienced AMEL Yacht Owners,


Does anybody has experience in rescueing a casualty on Super Maramus? I'm instructor for ISAF courses and I'm thinking about the method for taking back on board a person who was fallen over board.

We have several possibilities to board somebody. 

Halyard of the balooner is for sure strong enough.

Halyard from the top from the spinnaker halyard. Is the fixation on mast with the shakle on the block strong enough to lift up a person in full wet suit with wet boots etc with a weight of about 150 kg?

What about the main mast with the boom? Is the steel wire which holds the boom, strong enough to lift up 150 kg or more?

Last but not least on the mizzen we can use the halyard for the mizzen staysail. Same question: Is the mizzen mast fixation on the top with shakle and block strong enough for lifting up 150 kg or more?

The last possibility is the halyard for the outboard or passerelle with the boom of the mizzen. Is this fixation strong enough to lift up 150 kg or more.


All your answer will be appreciated strongly and I thank you all very much for your ideas and thoughts about the subject which each us hopes it will never happen.

By the way: the AMEL 55 and later have a vang on the boom, which is the method for lifting up a person from the water.


From the RYA there is the recommendation, that casualty should lift up horizontally and for this you need a second halyard or the same one halyard but you need the strength of the double weight.


Many thanks an fair winds,


Philipp 

#124 SM Félicie




Re: Rats!

Duane Siegfri
 

Whoa!!!!  Guinea Pigs are related to rats and mice, and they're part of the food chain in Ecuador?   I'm not that hungry!

Duane


Re: Rats!

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

RATS CANNOT STAND THE ODOR/TASTE OF MINT.
Buy a bottle of VICKS (the stuff we humans/children put on your chest in mild cases of lung congestion) at your local pharmacy together with a bag of cotton balls. Deep cotton balls in vicks and place them in every holes, cabinets,.... and the rat will leave by itself, even if it must swim away.


Re: HULL GELCOAT REFURBISHING PROJECT - OLDER MARAMU

Alejandro Paquin
 

Hello Duane,
Yes I spend a lot of time in Venezuela, "Simpatico"´s is home based in Naiguatá, at a private marina Cub Puerto Azul. Our navigations take us mainly to the Venezuelan islands of La Blanquilla, La Tortuga, Los Roques, Aves de Barlovento and Sotavento. These islands are substantially offshore (70 NM or more) and are rather safe. Unfortunately some islands and parts of the mainland are not. The attached map shows in violet circles the unsafe areas.Generally speaking, anyone should avoid the island of Los Testigos, the northern coast of the Paria and Araya Peninsulas, Margarita and Puerto La Cruz. It is dangerous there.
Cumaná in on the mainland. There have also been reports of incidents in the Mochima area, which is between Puerto La Cruz and Cumaná. We are currently on the hard in a facility that seems to be rather safe. 
Venezuela in general has become (unfortunately)a very unsafe country. Crime is rampant and there is a lot of political and economical unrest. So if you are a foreign flag vessel and do not know your way around, don´t risk coming. 
Even locals are at a constant risk. So we sailed straight into Cumaná from the north. Sailboats are not very common these days. The Navimca yard claims we are the first sailing vessel to arrive there in over two years. Mostly there are fishing and working vessels (oil service boats, Coast Guard, and other small service boats, etc.)
When we depart in about 60 days, we intend to sail into the Gulf of Cariaco, about 26 NM east of Cumaná, then sail back though Mochima (daysail), eventually Margarita, La Blanquilla and then either Los Roques or back to the Club. 
Hope this answers some of your questions. 
More information in English: http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Venezuela

Alex Paquin
s/v SIMPATICO
 


Re: Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

Mark Isaac
 

Thanks Bill. You're right, the local folks have been exceptionally helpful. 

Mark


Re: Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

Mark Isaac
 

Thanks Mark, you are spot on.  I have since discovered Watermakers Air has freight and package service on their passenger flights and they fly to Staniel Cay several times a day.

Mark


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

John Clark
 

Hi Mark,  here is the nearest I have for a cube relay.  It has eight pins not four.....


On Mar 29, 2018 10:02 AM, "isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All,


Can anyone tell me the best (most reliable and fastest) way to get parts in The Bahamas?  I need a relay for my Onan generator and have found a supplier in Orlando willing to ship to me.  They suggest FedEx.  Online and cruising book research indicates this may or may not be the best way based on where you are receiving the part.


Mark Isaac

SM #391

Staniel Cay, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos and Marquesas out of season. Pluses and minuses.

Nick Newington
 

Hi Porter,

I have made two Pacific Ocean voyages, one in 1991; Panama, Marquesas, Tuamotus, Society islands Tonga, NZ, Fiji, Vanuatu, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, Philippines  and on...and another 2002-3.

So a while ago. I will not comment on Ecuador or the Galapagos as it is all rule based and my experience is historical. However I can comment on French Polynesia as we spent a cyclone season in the Society islands in 2002. 

I love the Marquesas islands but there are no really good anchorages at all. One tends to roll everywhere. So hanging out for months on end in the Marquesas would not be much fun. Not to mention very limited hardware supplies. I also love the Tuamotus but they are very exposed, so although the anchorages are flat the lagoons are huge and a big chop can develop when the wind shifts.

However I feel that with modern weather forecasting one could safely cruise Tahiti, Morea, Huahini, Raiatea even Bora Bora and Maupiti. You would have to be ready to sail to avoid any storms. Tahiti does not get many. I would say that hanging out in Tahiti/Morea area for a cyclone season is a bit like staying in Grenada for the hurricane season. You should keep a good watch on the weather, be ready to sail towards the equator if required. There are also some excellent hurricane holes, as with Grenada. The main difference is that while Trinidad is a mere 85 miles to the south it is a long way to anywhere north from Tahiti.

Many French boats stay year round in French Polynesia. 

Having said that it is pretty wet! We also had two tropical storms packing about 65kn. The first  in Bora Bora and in the safe season July 1991. In our anchorage three yachts  (out of about a dozen)were washed ashore! In those days we did not have grib files! We had sailed in that afternoon and there was a bloody great swell outside the reef and a dark dirty looking sky. The barometer was steady until dusk when it started to plummet. I felt that something was going to happen so set two anchors por su caso. The wind came and  veered from the SE to S and finally SW. Our anchorage was only protected by the fringing reef. It was a long night.

The other was in Rabaul in PNG. It was Christmas time and we were close tot the equator in a safe area. However she blew. We had taken a mooring off the YC that dragged (not doing that again). There was a massive cat 5  cyclone to the south of us  by several hundred miles so we got off lightly. It still blew storm force and rained stair rods. Solid columns of water!

The one caveat to the above opinion is that during el nino years Tahiti is more likely to be hit by a cyclone than other years. The other point about an extended Pacific cruise is that you need to be well prepared for weather to change whatever the season, as I guess anywhere. 

Nick

Amelia (Amel 54 #019)

On 30 Mar 2018, at 16:16, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Porter,

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.
We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

It is based on 3 assumptions:

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.
2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.
 and the third:

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.
Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

Very much appreciated!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Martinique











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos and Marquesas out of season. Pluses and minuses.

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Porter,

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.
We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

It is based on 3 assumptions:

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.
2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.
 and the third:

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.
Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

Very much appreciated!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Martinique









Re: In Mast Electric Furler question

Arlo
 

Thanks Craig,I will disassemble this weekend and see what is going on there. Definitely appreciate the information. Because I can still hear the motor spinning when it stops furling I was also thinking that it was a worn gear not engaging fully as well.....

Will post pictures and update once apart....


Galapagos and Marquesas out of season. Pluses and minuses.

Porter McRoberts
 

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.
We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

It is based on 3 assumptions:

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.
2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.
 and the third:

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.
Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

Very much appreciated!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Martinique









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...

 

Bill Kinney, et al,

Exactly...well said, AND, I believe it takes some effort to maintain a Group Forum such as this one. I have been a member for about 12 years. I can remember several "new" members to The Amel Yacht Owners Group who treated this group as though it were "Cruiser's Forum," which is full of the type of members you speak of. Before I was an Amel owner and still a newbie, I visited "Cruisers Forum" thinking those people were really smart. Of course, the "advice" that I gleamed from that place was very costly, if you know what I mean. 

I really admire several members of this group who politely explained this group's etiquette and decorum to those "new" and short-term members. Regrettably, I was a more of a crotchety-to-the-point sort of guy with zero patience for that kind of behavior. On the positive side, those "new" members are no longer members, and even if I felt an apology was due, they are not here to see it.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...

John Clark
 

Thanks Bill, excellent observation.   Glad to be part of the group.

John
SV Annie. SM 37
Great Guana Cay Exuma.


On Mar 30, 2018 5:21 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 Bill,


Well said! I do think Henri Amel's  boats--and philosophy -- attract and inspire a great family of people, whether employees or customers.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 30 March 2018 01:56:03
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...
 


Every once in a while I am lead into into temptation and I look at other sailing related forums on the web. I read a dozen threads--and am horrified.  Every time I come back here and am thankful that the Amel owners who participate here are NOT LIKE THAT.


ALL the other forums are full of posturing, foolishness, stupidity, trolls and just plain evil nastiness.  Even the ones that are heavily moderated are "places" that make my skin crawl just to visit.  


They really make me appreciate the community we have here.  I like that I can ask, and answer, questions like I was sitting across from any of you with a beer in hand, and if we disagree we can do so with a smile.


Thank you--everybody.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Bill,


Well said! I do think Henri Amel's  boats--and philosophy -- attract and inspire a great family of people, whether employees or customers.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 March 2018 01:56:03
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...
 


Every once in a while I am lead into into temptation and I look at other sailing related forums on the web. I read a dozen threads--and am horrified.  Every time I come back here and am thankful that the Amel owners who participate here are NOT LIKE THAT.


ALL the other forums are full of posturing, foolishness, stupidity, trolls and just plain evil nastiness.  Even the ones that are heavily moderated are "places" that make my skin crawl just to visit.  


They really make me appreciate the community we have here.  I like that I can ask, and answer, questions like I was sitting across from any of you with a beer in hand, and if we disagree we can do so with a smile.


Thank you--everybody.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas








Re: Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks Bill for bringing that to the attention of us all.  It's very true.  On several occasions I've looked at other blogs for some information and had the same experience.  I agree that we should thank everyone for their civil tone and behavior that we have on this website and I hope it stays like that.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation second autopilot

Niklas Glöggler
 

Thank you Bill 

Now i have little more to go on, time to start to making some calls.

Regards Niklas

2018-03-29 21:07 GMT+02:00 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

The chain specified for the sprockets supplied by Raymarine is standard ANSI #35 (3/8 inch pitch).  If that is not available, I would assume a similar metric sized chain--with suitable sprockets--would work.


My sprockets are the same as Steve reported, 19 teeth on the drive, 38 on the wheel shaft.

Other tooth counts might also work, check the rotary drive manual for specifics.

http://www.powerdrive.com has a very wide selection of chain sprockets.  Most of them will require custom boring for the shaft, keyway and set screw.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hello Niklas,

I’m a little surprised you do not have a rotary drive, as I’ve seen many SMs, and they all had one. I’d be curious to know how many of you out there do not have a rotary drive. I own hull #72 (1992), and at that time the boats only came with a rotary drive, and at a later hull number Amel re-designed the rudder quadrant to accept a linear drive. 

If you decide to add a Rotary drive, you need to find a Raymarine type II 24 volt drive. The 12 volt drives are usually in stock here in the USA, but a 24 volt version is hard to find. I purchased a new 24v drive from Raymarine USA about a year and a half ago, and it was the last on they had to sell at that time. I suspect if you talk to the right person at Raymarine they can find you one, but you may have to wait a bit. 

With regards to the sprockets, on my boat the drive sprocket on the rotary drive is 19 teeth, and on the steering shaft it is 38 teeth. No guarantees the newer boats are the same, but I suspect they are. I just purchased a new steering shaft and sprocket for the shaft from Maude, and she was surprised to find they still had the shaft 38 tooth sprocket on the shelf. It sounded like I got the last sprocket, but you would have to ask Maude to be sure. Amel does not have the rotary drive sprocket or the chain. Raymarine actually has a part number for the drive sprocket, but when I spoke to them, they said they no longer sell them. I’m sure the drive sprocket could be found from some industrial supply place, but so far, all the ones I’ve found have a keyway slightly to wide for the shaft. I’m also looking for a new chain as a spare, but have not found one yet. If anyone has a source or the exact specs on the chain, please let me know. 

I’m assuming since your boat did not come with a rotary drive, your steering shaft does not have a keyway machined in it to hold the sprocket. If that is the case, you will have to completely disassemble the steering system, take the steering shaft to a machine shop, and have a keyway machined into it. You can’t do this until you have the new drive mounted, and can check the exact alignment of the the sprocket on the drive to the shaft. I just purchased a new steering shaft and steering racks from Amel, and was surprised the new shaft did not come with the keyway machined into it, and I had to have a machine shop do it for me.

As you can see, to add a rotary drive now will require some effort and expense. If it were me, I’d probably purchase a spare Linear drive which you should be able to change out in a half hour. 

Best of luck with your project. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii


Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:12 PM, gloggler@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hello


Im going to install Raymarine rotary drive type 2 24v as a second autopilot and wonder if anybody knows the size on steering sprocket, drive sprocket and chain and were i can it? Have been in contact with Amel but they did not know.


Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe SM2K #333




--
Niklas Glöggler


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation second autopilot

Niklas Glöggler
 

Hello Steve

Thank you, i already have the rotary drive so i try to find a company that sell the chain and sprocket. I think i already have the keyway on the steering shaft. i am going to se if amel have any sprocket left maybe i am lucky.

Regards
Niklas SY Nipe sm2k#333

2018-03-29 19:39 GMT+02:00 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello Niklas,


I’m a little surprised you do not have a rotary drive, as I’ve seen many SMs, and they all had one. I’d be curious to know how many of you out there do not have a rotary drive. I own hull #72 (1992), and at that time the boats only came with a rotary drive, and at a later hull number Amel re-designed the rudder quadrant to accept a linear drive. 

If you decide to add a Rotary drive, you need to find a Raymarine type II 24 volt drive. The 12 volt drives are usually in stock here in the USA, but a 24 volt version is hard to find. I purchased a new 24v drive from Raymarine USA about a year and a half ago, and it was the last on they had to sell at that time. I suspect if you talk to the right person at Raymarine they can find you one, but you may have to wait a bit. 

With regards to the sprockets, on my boat the drive sprocket on the rotary drive is 19 teeth, and on the steering shaft it is 38 teeth. No guarantees the newer boats are the same, but I suspect they are. I just purchased a new steering shaft and sprocket for the shaft from Maude, and she was surprised to find they still had the shaft 38 tooth sprocket on the shelf. It sounded like I got the last sprocket, but you would have to ask Maude to be sure. Amel does not have the rotary drive sprocket or the chain. Raymarine actually has a part number for the drive sprocket, but when I spoke to them, they said they no longer sell them. I’m sure the drive sprocket could be found from some industrial supply place, but so far, all the ones I’ve found have a keyway slightly to wide for the shaft. I’m also looking for a new chain as a spare, but have not found one yet. If anyone has a source or the exact specs on the chain, please let me know. 

I’m assuming since your boat did not come with a rotary drive, your steering shaft does not have a keyway machined in it to hold the sprocket. If that is the case, you will have to completely disassemble the steering system, take the steering shaft to a machine shop, and have a keyway machined into it. You can’t do this until you have the new drive mounted, and can check the exact alignment of the the sprocket on the drive to the shaft. I just purchased a new steering shaft and steering racks from Amel, and was surprised the new shaft did not come with the keyway machined into it, and I had to have a machine shop do it for me.

As you can see, to add a rotary drive now will require some effort and expense. If it were me, I’d probably purchase a spare Linear drive which you should be able to change out in a half hour. 

Best of luck with your project. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii


Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:12 PM, gloggler@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hello


Im going to install Raymarine rotary drive type 2 24v as a second autopilot and wonder if anybody knows the size on steering sprocket, drive sprocket and chain and were i can it? Have been in contact with Amel but they did not know.


Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe SM2K #333




--
Niklas Glöggler


Just a bit off topic, but worth saying...

greatketch@...
 

Every once in a while I am lead into into temptation and I look at other sailing related forums on the web. I read a dozen threads--and am horrified.  Every time I come back here and am thankful that the Amel owners who participate here are NOT LIKE THAT.


ALL the other forums are full of posturing, foolishness, stupidity, trolls and just plain evil nastiness.  Even the ones that are heavily moderated are "places" that make my skin crawl just to visit.  


They really make me appreciate the community we have here.  I like that I can ask, and answer, questions like I was sitting across from any of you with a beer in hand, and if we disagree we can do so with a smile.


Thank you--everybody.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation second autopilot

greatketch@...
 

The chain specified for the sprockets supplied by Raymarine is standard ANSI #35 (3/8 inch pitch).  If that is not available, I would assume a similar metric sized chain--with suitable sprockets--would work.

My sprockets are the same as Steve reported, 19 teeth on the drive, 38 on the wheel shaft.

Other tooth counts might also work, check the rotary drive manual for specifics.

http://www.powerdrive.com has a very wide selection of chain sprockets.  Most of them will require custom boring for the shaft, keyway and set screw.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <flyboyscd@...> wrote :

Hello Niklas,

I’m a little surprised you do not have a rotary drive, as I’ve seen many SMs, and they all had one. I’d be curious to know how many of you out there do not have a rotary drive. I own hull #72 (1992), and at that time the boats only came with a rotary drive, and at a later hull number Amel re-designed the rudder quadrant to accept a linear drive. 

If you decide to add a Rotary drive, you need to find a Raymarine type II 24 volt drive. The 12 volt drives are usually in stock here in the USA, but a 24 volt version is hard to find. I purchased a new 24v drive from Raymarine USA about a year and a half ago, and it was the last on they had to sell at that time. I suspect if you talk to the right person at Raymarine they can find you one, but you may have to wait a bit. 

With regards to the sprockets, on my boat the drive sprocket on the rotary drive is 19 teeth, and on the steering shaft it is 38 teeth. No guarantees the newer boats are the same, but I suspect they are. I just purchased a new steering shaft and sprocket for the shaft from Maude, and she was surprised to find they still had the shaft 38 tooth sprocket on the shelf. It sounded like I got the last sprocket, but you would have to ask Maude to be sure. Amel does not have the rotary drive sprocket or the chain. Raymarine actually has a part number for the drive sprocket, but when I spoke to them, they said they no longer sell them. I’m sure the drive sprocket could be found from some industrial supply place, but so far, all the ones I’ve found have a keyway slightly to wide for the shaft. I’m also looking for a new chain as a spare, but have not found one yet. If anyone has a source or the exact specs on the chain, please let me know. 

I’m assuming since your boat did not come with a rotary drive, your steering shaft does not have a keyway machined in it to hold the sprocket. If that is the case, you will have to completely disassemble the steering system, take the steering shaft to a machine shop, and have a keyway machined into it. You can’t do this until you have the new drive mounted, and can check the exact alignment of the the sprocket on the drive to the shaft. I just purchased a new steering shaft and steering racks from Amel, and was surprised the new shaft did not come with the keyway machined into it, and I had to have a machine shop do it for me.

As you can see, to add a rotary drive now will require some effort and expense. If it were me, I’d probably purchase a spare Linear drive which you should be able to change out in a half hour. 

Best of luck with your project. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii


Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:12 PM, gloggler@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello


Im going to install Raymarine rotary drive type 2 24v as a second autopilot and wonder if anybody knows the size on steering sprocket, drive sprocket and chain and were i can it? Have been in contact with Amel but they did not know.


Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe SM2K #333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best Way to Ship Parts to The Bahamas

John Clark
 

Mark,  which relay do you need?  We have boxes of spare parts from previous owner.  Might have what you need.
We are at Black Point Settlement right now...about 40 minutes away.  

John and Colleen
SV Annie SM 37


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 12:50 PM Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Try DoeBoi in George Town, Great Exuma.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:19 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Like Mark said, check with the locals.  They will know what works on that island, and will likely have a brother-in-law or cousin who can help.


We found customs duty in the Bahamas to be pretty much a non-issue.  Not too long ago Bahamas reduced the import duties for most things to a pretty trivial amount, and in our experience officials don't bother even checking paperwork on most deliveries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Foxtown, Little Abaco, Bahamas