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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos and Marquesas out of season. Pluses and minuses.

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Steve. All excellent points. 
I think we’ll know if we get the visa while in Panama, If not. We’ll then delay on the American continent. 
We’ve also considered the gambier islands for part of the time as well. Less rolly. Further south and outside the cyclone belt. Less heat. 
So it seems. 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

Porter


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.
We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

It is based on 3 assumptions:

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.
2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.
 and the third:

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.
Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

Very much appreciated!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Martinique









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Mark Erdos
 

We were put off by the idea of the fixed screens because of the forward head hatch set up with the support bar. There is no way I could live without all the hatches matching perfectly – it is the OCD in me.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

 

 

Those are great screens. You guys did a fantastic, economical job. 

 

The other reason for our interest in the Oceanair product is to replace our current hatch curtains. We had the Oceanair on our last boat and quite liked the recessed blackout blind feature.

Ian

S/V Loca Lola II 

SM153


On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:09 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian & Duane,

 

Save yourselves $1000 or $270 per hatch and make your own screens. We fabricated these out of starboard and glued mesh onto them with a hot-glue gun. They can be deployed from inside or outside the boat. They drop into and rest in the hatches. Very easy and cheap to make.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ian,

Sorry you never heard from the guy…

The only reference to the size is 1080.
Here is the original invoice:
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2014_12_23_shopepal.jpg
That is for salon and forward cabin.

Therefore I think the newer model are slightly different (nicer) looking.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 4/2/18, Ian Townsend @LocaLola [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018, 6:21 PM


 









I am interested in these screens as well.
Alexandre, do you remember the sizes you installed? Here is
why I ask...
In October, we had the
Oceanair rep on board in Fort Lauderdale to do the measuring
for these screens and possibly the other portlight curtains.
Once he left we never heard from him again despite several
calls/emails.
Ian
TownsendS/V Loca Lola
II SM153
On Apr 2,
2018, at 7:00 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Here it is Duane,



http://www.nikimat.com/hatches_screen_oceanair.html



Therefore when I had the rat coming, he (or she) was able to
open the hatch, so I had to use pin to secure it.



I think the rat would be able to chew through it, as it
later tried to shew through the little mosquitoes mesh of
the small hatches.



For info, I had MRE (military meal ready to eat onboard),
the rat even chew through the heavy duty plastic…



So in short, I doubt the Ocean Skyscreen will prevent rat
invasion.



To reply your 2nd question: Yes I like them, very practical
to open the mosquito mesh in order to close the hatches. I
never used the black out fabric.



Yes I attached them to the wood trim of the salon and
forward cabins, and to close the little gap, I put a little
auto adhesive rubber.



Hope that helps…



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 4/2/18, sailor63109@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, April 2, 2018, 3:08 PM





 



















I'm looking for anyone with

experience with the Oceanair Skyscreen on the

SuperMaramu?

As part of our

vermin-proofing of Wanderer (see previous post on Rats!),
we

want to put a screen on the ports and hatches that will
at

least make intrusion detectable without a making a
project

out of it (I have too many d@!!! projects

now!).  

The Oceanair Skyscreen for

the overhead hatches (excluding the head) seems like a
good

choice.  If you did buy them:- do you

like them?- did you attach them to the

wood trim in the main and forward cabins, or did you
remove

these trim pieces so the Skyscreen flange was flat
agains

the headliner?

Does anyone have another

suggestion for the overhead hatches?

Thanks,Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Oceanair Skyscreen

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ian,

I did not put an Oceanair on the aft cabin as I already had a mosquito net for that hatch.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 4/2/18, Ian Townsend @LocaLola [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Oceanair Skyscreen
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018, 9:48 PM


 









Duane, yes I did look at Alexandre's
but that was sometime ago. I see (and recall) now Alexandre
has the sizes for main and forecabin. Thanks for
that.
Alexandre, did
you also put an Oceanair on the aft cabin hatch? This one is
a different size. Oceanair does make one that is close but
wanted to make sure it actually fits before we
ordered.

IanS/V Loca Lola
II SM153
On Apr 2,
2018, at 9:13 PM, sailor63109@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Ian,
Did you
see Alexandres web site?  Search Defender for 1080
Oceanair, that's the main and forward cabins at
least.
Alexandre,
Thanks for the tip on Defender. 
Man, you must have one heck of a record keeping system!  I
checked Defender and the price is now $272, which is a 19%
increase in only three years!!! 
I know they won't slow a rat
down too much, but at least the little devil has to work a
bit for it.
I'm
still trying to catch mine.  Last night he left a few
little presents outside the aft cabin watertight door.  Peg
almost barfed when I showed her.  She is really viscerally
effected by the idea of a rat on the boat.  If it goes on
much longer I may be alone here.  I'm for putting out
poison and hoping it has a feast.  Peg is worried about the
smell, but if we have to go on for another month, I'm
for the two weeks with the smell of DEAD rat.
DuaneWanderer,
SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Ian Townsend
 

Those are great screens. You guys did a fantastic, economical job. 

The other reason for our interest in the Oceanair product is to replace our current hatch curtains. We had the Oceanair on our last boat and quite liked the recessed blackout blind feature.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:09 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian & Duane,

 

Save yourselves $1000 or $270 per hatch and make your own screens. We fabricated these out of starboard and glued mesh onto them with a hot-glue gun. They can be deployed from inside or outside the boat. They drop into and rest in the hatches. Very easy and cheap to make.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Mark Erdos
 

Here is the pic if it didn't come through


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Mark Erdos
 

Ian & Duane,

 

Save yourselves $1000 or $270 per hatch and make your own screens. We fabricated these out of starboard and glued mesh onto them with a hot-glue gun. They can be deployed from inside or outside the boat. They drop into and rest in the hatches. Very easy and cheap to make.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us


Re: Oceanair Skyscreen

Paul Osterberg
 

Duane
We had mice in our house out on the country side. we put out poison and the numbers was greatly reduced, I do not know how many mice that past away, but all except one choose to pass away outside as they are searching for water. The one who choose to end it's day inside the house made a rather unpleasant smell, but it disappeared after just a few days. If you can't catch in a trapp then I would use poison most likely it will die outside else you will have a smell for probably a few days more than we had as a rat is bigger animal.
Rats do like beer, if you put a sizable amount of bear in a bucket, and then put some items that floats on top of the beer, I have seen it made with ordinary wine corks but anything that floats will work, such as foam from a yoga math. They can't climb out of the bucket if the bucket is high enough and drown rather quickly. It can be worth to offer some beer for a try. You can also put some kling film on top of the bucket with a hole in the middle that would also add to the complexity for the rat to escape.

Good luck

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Oceanair Skyscreen

Ian Townsend
 

Duane, yes I did look at Alexandre's but that was sometime ago. I see (and recall) now Alexandre has the sizes for main and forecabin. Thanks for that.

Alexandre, did you also put an Oceanair on the aft cabin hatch? This one is a different size. Oceanair does make one that is close but wanted to make sure it actually fits before we ordered.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Apr 2, 2018, at 9:13 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Did you see Alexandres web site?  Search Defender for 1080 Oceanair, that's the main and forward cabins at least.

Alexandre,

Thanks for the tip on Defender.  Man, you must have one heck of a record keeping system!  I checked Defender and the price is now $272, which is a 19% increase in only three years!!! 

I know they won't slow a rat down too much, but at least the little devil has to work a bit for it.

I'm still trying to catch mine.  Last night he left a few little presents outside the aft cabin watertight door.  Peg almost barfed when I showed her.  She is really viscerally effected by the idea of a rat on the boat.  If it goes on much longer I may be alone here.  I'm for putting out poison and hoping it has a feast.  Peg is worried about the smell, but if we have to go on for another month, I'm for the two weeks with the smell of DEAD rat.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BOAT GRAPHICS - FLOTATION LINE COLOR

 

SM Red Line was simply the last Super Maramus trying out the 54 colors. The last 54s tried out the 55 colors.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 20:04 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

When Kimberlite was delivered to me the boot stripe was a light orange.

I had Amel outfit the entire electronics suite with Raymarine instruments.

 

I believe that is what the red line boats were all about—the deluxe package and Raymarine instruments.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BOAT GRAPHICS - FLOTATION LINE COLOR

 

 

I think the line on the SM is a color that straddles the line between red and orange, so it's a bit of a matter of opinion.  Though maybe mine has faded.

 

If you go with a vinyl boat name (I would), be sure you get "high performance" vinyl.  I used a local sign shop for the name on my previous boat, and it lasted about 4 years with regular, outdoor-rated vinyl.  I had the same shop make lettering for my dinghy, and they used high performance vinyl because it would be subject to inflating/deflating.  It's still going strong after 7 years, most of that spent in the weather on davits.  I've since received the same advice from a family friend who runs a (different) sign shop -- the high performance stuff should last about 10 years, and isn't much more expensive.

 

Thanks,

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I thought the original waterline color on all Maramus was Orange???

 

Best,

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Again, in reference to the hull´s refurbishing project, I´d like to hear your thoughts on the following:

 

1. Should we paint the waterline with the traditional/original red stripe? we are going to use gelcoat to apply it. Should we consider any other color?

 

2 Boat name on the transom: until now I have used the original Amel plaque used in the 80´s for the boat´s name and port of registration, should we migrate to other type of system? Decals? Printed graphics? Who is a good supplier in the USA.

 

3. By law in Venezuela the boat´s name and registration number must be on the bow, both starboard and port.

 

Alex Paquin

s/v SIMPATICO

Older Maramu hull #94, 1981



 

--

 

 


Re: Airmar P79 Installation

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Thanks.  I would bet it is paint, why brush on gelcoat?  and then it has to come off.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

"Everything is harder on a boat" - Noah


Re: Oceanair Skyscreen

Duane Siegfri
 

Ian,

Did you see Alexandres web site?  Search Defender for 1080 Oceanair, that's the main and forward cabins at least.

Alexandre,

Thanks for the tip on Defender.  Man, you must have one heck of a record keeping system!  I checked Defender and the price is now $272, which is a 19% increase in only three years!!! 

I know they won't slow a rat down too much, but at least the little devil has to work a bit for it.

I'm still trying to catch mine.  Last night he left a few little presents outside the aft cabin watertight door.  Peg almost barfed when I showed her.  She is really viscerally effected by the idea of a rat on the boat.  If it goes on much longer I may be alone here.  I'm for putting out poison and hoping it has a feast.  Peg is worried about the smell, but if we have to go on for another month, I'm for the two weeks with the smell of DEAD rat.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rescueing method of casualty (Person Over Board)

eric freedman
 

Thank you James,

I always felt the bringing the MOB on board as quickly as possible was the thing to do.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 3:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rescueing method of casualty (Person Over Board)

 

 

I would like to add to this discussion with respect strictly to medical management and considerations. 

The vast majority of you have far greater sailing experience than me, and I think this is an engaging discussion. 

 

 

In the case of severe hypothermia (below 30 C core temp), the primary risk of death is from cardiac dysrhythmia, and specifically ventricular fibrillation. 

The risk of this is particularly high when actively rewarming the patient from an even lower temperature through that critical range around 25 a 30 centigrade. 

Another risk of causing cardiac dysrhythmia is from excessive manipulation of the patient - that is, moving the patient. 

 

The idea that placing the patient vertically predisposes to dysrhythmia is not accurate. Indeed, placing a hypotensive patient in a head up position may cause loss of consciousness, but not cardiac arrest necessarily. 

 

The act of extricating a severely hypothermic patient from immersion - in any manner - may trigger a dysrhythmia. Position is not a primary concern. In fact, there is higher likelihood of addition trauma in a horizontal position. 

 

The fundamental principles, therefore, should still be performing the most expeditious method of extrication with the least amount of trauma or jostling, maintaining safety of the other crew, and immediate attempts at rewarming.  

 

For those who have experience, bretyllium given intravenously can possibly help control a possible dysrhythmia. However, this is no longer available in the US.  And only a physician should administer this. In that case,  prolonged CPR is your only option for salvage in the field. You do not stop until body temp is normalized or you meet exhaustion. 

 

As we say in medicine, “you’re not dead until you’re WARM and dead.” 

 

 

James

Soteria SM 347


On Apr 2, 2018, at 11:07 AM, 'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

I must say that I support entirely your thinking.

In my case this is based upon a very limited experience (once only) retrieving a windsurfer who had drifted away in a squall and be separated from his board. The water was relatively warm, probably around 18° C, and the man had been drifting for 20 to 30 minutes. He was already starting to suffer from hypothermia and our only objective (3 on board) was to get him out of the water as soon as possible and down below to warm him up. Very fortunately we succeeded without even giving a thought to the lifting position.

 

Last year in its September issue, Yachting Monthly had a very informative article, based upon actual MOB retrieval exercises in calm waters. Their objective was to debunk various myths propagated by well intentioned souls. I am quoting here directly from this article:

 

Quote

MYTH 14: The MOB has to be lifted in the horizontal position...There is no increased risk of heart attack if the MOB is lifted vertically. ln most waters of the world, death from hypothermia occurs long before any dangerous peripheral vascular bed failure develops. The whole concept of peripheral vascular failure being caused by surface-type immersion is a myth. At the surface, it would take days to develop.

Unquote

 

My halfpenny worth,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: lundi 2 avril 2018 15:55
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rescueing method of casualty (Person Over Board)

 

 

Phillipe,

 

I stand by my thinking that the horizontal lift is impractical recommendation for a shorthanded cruising boat.  For demonstrating in a class with 5 or 6 students and an instructor, that's a different story.  There are not very many places where I disagree with the smart and thoughtful people of the RYA, and this is the only one I can think of that is of real importance.

 

Any person at REAL risk of cardiac arrest in cold water will be totally unable to help with rigging anything themselves.  Putting another person in the water is VERY dangerous in and of itself, and would require a yacht crewed by at least 4 or, more likely, 5 people to justify the increased risks. As the captain of a boat, I would be very, very reluctant to put a second crew member in the water.  I might do it...but only as a last possible resort.

 

If the person in the water is coordinated enough to rig their own horizontal lifting harness they are not yet hypothermic and do not need it.  Get them out of the water NOW before they do!

 

Rigging a leg lifting strap as shown in that video when you are in the water is a LOT harder if you are not in a full survival suit, with your legs floating at the surface. If you ARE in a full survival suit, you are (most likely) not hypothermic, and do not need it...

 

When we did our testing, I was in a wetsuit.  It was important for us to keep in mind that some things were much easier in a wetsuit because of the buoyancy, and others were more difficult.

 

Even for a victim who is fully conscious, if they are lifted horizontally they are now unable to usefully fend off from the rolling hull themselves, and you need another crew member dedicated to that task.  A person lifted vertically, with a halyard (not a boom!) between hull and face will not hit the hull in a dangerous way short of extreme rolling conditions.

 

I do understand the rational for the RYA's suggestion, and I still think it is unrealistically complicated for use in the real world on a yacht with sailing with only 2 or 3 people.  The extra time required for it in most cases I believe INCREASES risks of all kinds to both victim and crew.

 

That's all I have to say on the matter, except for...  whatever you plan on doing, you should try it in warm calm water first. In the testing we did we found LOTS of suggestions including many that have been widely published were marginally practical--at best.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Moraine Cay, Abacos, Bahamas.

 

 

 

 

 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <philipp.sollberger@....> wrote :

Dear Amel Yacht Owners,

 

Many thanks to all for your clear answers and experience.

 

For me it is still important to precise, that a horizontal lift up of an unconsious person from the water is better than a vertical one. The risk of a heart stop is bigger, if the warm blood circulates down to the extremities as legs and the cold flows back to heart. This can end in a cardiatic arrest.

The method to do a horizontal lift up is not so complicated as mentioned. I have learnt it at the UKSA in Cowes. Use the lifeline of the person in the water and put it under his or her bottom and clip it either to the lifesling hook or to the halyard directly.

With big waves you have to protect the casualty that he or she is not bashing to the hull and for this reason you lower a crew member which is fixed to the yacht by lifeline and halyard. Afterwards you can lift them up both. The casualty in a horizontal way and the crew member vertically. With this method you have the most possible protecting method to get both back on deck..

 

The lifeline method you can test yourself very easily and with no risk. lie down on deck with your lifewest on and your lifeline.. Take the halyard, fix it on the hook of the lifewest and take the lifeline, put it under the bottom through and take it and fix it to the halyard shakle or the lifewest hook. If all is fix, then lift up for half to one meter and you will get the proof, that you are hanging quite horizontally on the halyard.

 

Thank you very much Bill Rouse for your confirmation about the strength of the halyards.

 

Person over board is a subject, that nobody wants to happen. But unfortunately it happens on the rally round the world race as VOR and Clipper Race last time.

 

There are different videos on youtube which show, that you should lower a rescuer for getting the casualty fixed to the yacht.

Here is a link from RNLI Lifeboat UK with a demonstration of lifting up horizontally with the lifeline as second strope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q1-Qb-6bBw&t=13s 

Here is the link to the latest person overboard during Clipper Race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufvGp3c7vuA 

 

Try to avoid such situations with being attached to the boat if you a leaving the central cockpit area in foul weather or night. Clip you on as early as possible.

 

Fair winds and never an overboard case.

 

Philipp

Félicie, SM #124

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BOAT GRAPHICS - FLOTATION LINE COLOR

eric freedman
 

Hi,

When Kimberlite was delivered to me the boot stripe was a light orange.

I had Amel outfit the entire electronics suite with Raymarine instruments.

 

I believe that is what the red line boats were all about—the deluxe package and Raymarine instruments.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] BOAT GRAPHICS - FLOTATION LINE COLOR

 

 

I think the line on the SM is a color that straddles the line between red and orange, so it's a bit of a matter of opinion.  Though maybe mine has faded.

 

If you go with a vinyl boat name (I would), be sure you get "high performance" vinyl.  I used a local sign shop for the name on my previous boat, and it lasted about 4 years with regular, outdoor-rated vinyl.  I had the same shop make lettering for my dinghy, and they used high performance vinyl because it would be subject to inflating/deflating.  It's still going strong after 7 years, most of that spent in the weather on davits.  I've since received the same advice from a family friend who runs a (different) sign shop -- the high performance stuff should last about 10 years, and isn't much more expensive.

 

Thanks,

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I thought the original waterline color on all Maramus was Orange???

 

Best,

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Again, in reference to the hull´s refurbishing project, I´d like to hear your thoughts on the following:

 

1. Should we paint the waterline with the traditional/original red stripe? we are going to use gelcoat to apply it. Should we consider any other color?

 

2 Boat name on the transom: until now I have used the original Amel plaque used in the 80´s for the boat´s name and port of registration, should we migrate to other type of system? Decals? Printed graphics? Who is a good supplier in the USA.

 

3. By law in Venezuela the boat´s name and registration number must be on the bow, both starboard and port.

 

Alex Paquin

s/v SIMPATICO

Older Maramu hull #94, 1981



 

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Re: Airmar P79 Installation

greatketch@...
 


Duane,


On my boat there was paint there, but there were also repairs to the stringers, so the paint might not be original.

I sanded it flat before I glued down the P79.

I mounted mine to starboard of the thru-hull.  In the easiest to reach spot possible :)

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Moraine Cay, Abacos, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I'm about to install the P79, and reading the instructions it says if there is paint grind it off.  I'd rather not if possible.  


Does anyone know if it is paint or gelcoat?


If you installed one, did you grind to fiberglass first?


Where did you put it relative to the existing thru-hull?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Ian Townsend
 

I am interested in these screens as well. Alexandre, do you remember the sizes you installed? Here is why I ask...

In October, we had the Oceanair rep on board in Fort Lauderdale to do the measuring for these screens and possibly the other portlight curtains. Once he left we never heard from him again despite several calls/emails.

Ian Townsend
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Apr 2, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Here it is Duane,

http://www.nikimat.com/hatches_screen_oceanair.html

Therefore when I had the rat coming, he (or she) was able to open the hatch, so I had to use pin to secure it.

I think the rat would be able to chew through it, as it later tried to shew through the little mosquitoes mesh of the small hatches.

For info, I had MRE (military meal ready to eat onboard), the rat even chew through the heavy duty plastic…

So in short, I doubt the Ocean Skyscreen will prevent rat invasion.

To reply your 2nd question: Yes I like them, very practical to open the mosquito mesh in order to close the hatches. I never used the black out fabric.

Yes I attached them to the wood trim of the salon and forward cabins, and to close the little gap, I put a little auto adhesive rubber.

Hope that helps…

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 4/2/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018, 3:08 PM


 









I'm looking for anyone with
experience with the Oceanair Skyscreen on the
SuperMaramu?
As part of our
vermin-proofing of Wanderer (see previous post on Rats!), we
want to put a screen on the ports and hatches that will at
least make intrusion detectable without a making a project
out of it (I have too many d@!!! projects
now!).  
The Oceanair Skyscreen for
the overhead hatches (excluding the head) seems like a good
choice.  If you did buy them:- do you
like them?- did you attach them to the
wood trim in the main and forward cabins, or did you remove
these trim pieces so the Skyscreen flange was flat agains
the headliner?
Does anyone have another
suggestion for the overhead hatches?
Thanks,Duane  




Re: Shield Wire in NMEA 2000 Backbone

Duane Siegfri
 

Ryan,

"Does the field connector have a terminal for the shield?"  

Yes it did, and I connected all of those.  The powertap battery connection has a terminal for a shield wire so I need to connect that shield wire to battery negative.

"That thing with the switch is concerning.  Either the bulb was not rated for 24V, in which case the person you spoke to at Paneltronics gave you bad info, or you've got some kind of crossed connection between then 12V and 24V circuits.  

I'm now sure the problem was the bulb.  I disassembled the switch, and removed the bulb, reassembled it and all is well, no heat, no little puffs of smoke.  The tech desk was positive the switch was rated for 15amps at 24volts, but wasn't sure about the light bulb.  The bulb was an odd affair with two wires cast into the bulb and connected to the positive and negative lines.  I'm pretty positive I don't have any crossed connections between 12 and 24 volts.  Both of the 12V loads are wired directly back to the converters using lines Amel put there for the VHF and something else (maybe the 12V outlet).  Before I turned any of the switches on, with the fuse out, I checked them with a volt meter for voltage and polarity.  All was well.

The fact that it blew up when you turned it off makes the suspect the latter"

It didn't blow up, just a little puff of smoke, which was plenty for my pucker factor.  Interestingly, after switching it on and off several times, the bulb continued to operate, it just got very hot each time.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rescueing method of casualty (Person Over Board)

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Sorry Bill. A misunderstanding. I thought your meant two halyards at the top of the mast. Like I said, I couldn't see how this could be.
Regards
Danny

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 3 Apr 2018 9:51 a.m., "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,

Every SM that I have seen (50-75) was built with two 10mm Polyester halyards in addition to the mizzen sail halyard. When new, these had a breaking load of about 1,400kg (3,000 pounds) and a working load of about 450kg (1,000 pounds).

One halyard on the Stbd side was rigged to a block on the first spreader next to the mast. Most SM owners use this halyard to lift a dinghy engine using the Stbd side block at the end of the mizzen boom.

Another halyard on the Port side was rigged through a block at the mizzen cap. This is used by most SM owners to rig a ASM ballooner sail to the mizzen mast.

Since the SM has blocks on Port and Stbd end of the Mizzen Boom, either halyard can be rigged through the boom end of the mizzen boom, in effect rigging a crane arm. However when the crane arm is rigged for the Port side the halyard will shafe on the mizzen upper shroud and care should be taken.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill, I'm puzzled by the two mizzen halyards you mention. I have one that hoists the mizzen sail, it is internal and its sheave is directly over the track in the furler sleeve, not another one there and don't see how there could be. I have never noticed another sheave there and from the deck couldn't see one. My mizzen is unmistakably an Amel mast. Was there a change sometime? There is an external halyard on a block the front of the mizzen for the mizzen staysail. I would never trust an external halyard for a person lift.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 03 April 2018 at 08:31 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

I agree completely, and, in my experience, this is not the first time the RYA has promoted something that is illogical and impractical. 

I thought this statement was unusual, "Thank you very much Bill Rouse for your confirmation about the strength of the halyards." 

In fact I did NOT confirm the strength of the halyards of any Super Maramu today.. I explained how it was rigged when it was new, with the last Super Maramu being built in 2005 (13 years ago): "The (Super Maramu) mizzen mast was rigged with 2 each 10mm halyards (1 port and 1 stbd) each capable of lifting at least 1000 pounds." What I said does not mean that a 13 year old Super Maramu with unchanged original halyards has its original design capability today, nor does it mean that a 13 year old Super Maramu that has been changed by its owner has the original design and build capability. 

Any experienced sailor knows that things change with age. I am reminded every morning when I look in the mirror. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

 

Thanks Bill, well said.

Bluntly I say that the RYA horizontal lift advice is impractical, and worse, downright dangerous in an offshore situation. The idea of an amateur drew stumbling around trying to fix lines, putting extra crew overboard is frightening in its potential for disaster.. Inshore in sheltered water in particular situations (hypothermic victim and crew skilled in rescue) it may work. Off shore in a big seaway....don't even think about it. The danger with their advice is that it may encourage crew to try this. The most important advice is don't fall overboard. Overboard situations often occur when a crew member responding to an event on deck rushes out to do a quick fix unattached and bang they're gone. Two crew were killed on a big  yacht (think 65 feet) on the way to Fiji two years ago. The boom control lost hydraulic pressure. One crew rushed up to secure the boom, was hit on the head. Another crew rushed up unattached to help and was washed over board. He was never found. I have cast iron rule offshore. All crew harness on and clipped on whenever out of the cabin, day or night. That includes sitting in our nice safe centre cockpit. The reasons. 1) It establishes a clip on mentality. 2) Everyone in the cockpit has a harness on at all times and if something needs urgent attention on deck they're ready. Often a minor problem can turn bad rapidly and the time taken to find and put on a harness could result in a disaster.. Pedantic? yes, unnecessary? No.

Another rule. No one leaves the cockpit without another crew there, or in calm conditions at least calling to the below deck crew that he/she is going out. The reality is that if you have enough tether to allow you to work, you have enough tether to fall overboard.Being dragged by your harness at 8 knots leaves you with a very short life expectancy.Think about it. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 April 2018 at 01:55 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Phillipe,


I stand by my thinking that the horizontal lift is impractical recommendation for a shorthanded cruising boat.  For demonstrating in a class with 5 or 6 students and an instructor, that's a different story.  There are not very many places where I disagree with the smart and thoughtful people of the RYA, and this is the only one I can think of that is of real importance.

Any person at REAL risk of cardiac arrest in cold water will be totally unable to help with rigging anything themselves..  Putting another person in the water is VERY dangerous in and of itself, and would require a yacht crewed by at least 4 or, more likely, 5 people to justify the increased risks. As the captain of a b oat, I would be very, very reluctant to put a second crew member in the water.  I might do it...but only as a last possible resort.

If the person in the water is coordinated enough to rig their own horizontal lifting harness they are not yet hypothermic and do not need it.  Get them out of the water NOW before they do!

Rigging a leg lifting strap as shown in that video when you are in the water is a LOT harder if you are not in a full survival suit, with your legs floating at the surface. If you ARE in a full survival suit, you are (most likely) not hypothermic, and do not need it...

When we did our testing, I was in a wetsuit.  It was important for us to keep in mind that some things were much easier in a wetsuit because of the buoyancy, and others were more difficult.

Even for a victim who is fully conscious, if they are lifted horizontally they are now unable to usef ully fend off from the rolling hull themselves, and you need another crew member dedicated to that task.  A person lifted vertically, with a halyard (not a boom!) between hull and face will not hit the hull in a dangerous way short of extreme rolling conditions.

I do understand the rational for the RYA's suggestion, and I still think it is unrealistically complicated for use in the real world on a yacht with sailing with only 2 or 3 people.  The extra time required for it in most cases I believe INCREASES risks of all kinds to both victim and crew.

That's all I have to say on the matter, except for...  whatever you plan on doing, you should try it in warm calm water first. In the testing we did we found LOTS of suggestions including many that have been widely published were marginally practical--at best.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Moraine Cay, Abacos, B ahamas.








---In amelyachtowners@...m, <philipp.sollberger@...> wrote :

Dear Amel Yacht Owners,

Many thanks to all for your clear answers and experience.

For me it is still important to precise, that a horizontal lift up of an unconsious person from the water is better than a vertical one. The risk of a heart stop is bigger, if the warm blood circulates down to the extremities as legs and the cold flows back to heart. This can end in a cardiatic arrest.
The method to do a horizontal lift up is not so complicated as mentioned. I have learnt it at the UKSA in Cowes. Use the lifeline of the person in the water and put it under his or her bottom and clip it either to the lifesling hook or to the halyard directly.
Wi th big waves you have to protect the casualty that he or she is not bashing to the hull and for this reason you lower a crew member which is fixed to the yacht by lifeline and halyard. Afterwards you can lift them up both. The casualty in a horizontal way and the crew member vertically. With this method you have the most possible protecting method to get both back on deck..

The lifeline method you can test yourself very easily and with no risk. lie down on deck with your lifewest on and your lifeline. Take the halyard, fix it on the hook of the lifewest and take the lifeline, put it under the bottom through and take it and fix it to the halyard shakle or the lifewest hook. If all is fix, then lift up for half to one meter and you will get the proof, that you are hanging quite horizontally on the halyard.

Thank you very much Bill Rouse for your confirmation about the strength of the halyards.

Person over board is a subject, that nobody wants to happen. But unfortunately it happens on the rally round the world race as VOR and Clipper Race last time.

There are different videos on youtube which show, that you should lower a rescuer for getting the casualty fixed to the yacht.
Here is a link from RNLI Lifeboat UK with a demonstration of lifting up horizontally with the lifeline as second strope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q1-Qb-6bBw&t=13s 
Here is the link to the latest person overboard during Clipper Race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufvGp3c7vuA 

Try to avoid such situations with being attached to the boat if you a leaving the central cockpit area in foul weather or night. Clip you on as early as possible.

Fai r winds and never an overboard case.

Philipp
Félicie, SM #124
 

 


 

 

 

 


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here it is Duane,

http://www.nikimat.com/hatches_screen_oceanair.html

Therefore when I had the rat coming, he (or she) was able to open the hatch, so I had to use pin to secure it.

I think the rat would be able to chew through it, as it later tried to shew through the little mosquitoes mesh of the small hatches.

For info, I had MRE (military meal ready to eat onboard), the rat even chew through the heavy duty plastic…

So in short, I doubt the Ocean Skyscreen will prevent rat invasion.

To reply your 2nd question: Yes I like them, very practical to open the mosquito mesh in order to close the hatches. I never used the black out fabric.

Yes I attached them to the wood trim of the salon and forward cabins, and to close the little gap, I put a little auto adhesive rubber.

Hope that helps…

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 4/2/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oceanair Skyscreen
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, April 2, 2018, 3:08 PM


 









I'm looking for anyone with
experience with the Oceanair Skyscreen on the
SuperMaramu?
As part of our
vermin-proofing of Wanderer (see previous post on Rats!), we
want to put a screen on the ports and hatches that will at
least make intrusion detectable without a making a project
out of it (I have too many d@!!! projects
now!).  
The Oceanair Skyscreen for
the overhead hatches (excluding the head) seems like a good
choice.  If you did buy them:- do you
like them?- did you attach them to the
wood trim in the main and forward cabins, or did you remove
these trim pieces so the Skyscreen flange was flat agains
the headliner?
Does anyone have another
suggestion for the overhead hatches?
Thanks,Duane


Airmar P79 Installation

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm about to install the P79, and reading the instructions it says if there is paint grind it off.  I'd rather not if possible.  


Does anyone know if it is paint or gelcoat?


If you installed one, did you grind to fiberglass first?


Where did you put it relative to the existing thru-hull?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477