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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

eric freedman
 

Duane,

Did you write to Maud?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 9:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

 

 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?

 

I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...

 

It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.

 

It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Jib Halyard Sheave

Duane Siegfri
 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?


I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...


It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.


It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: satellite service providers

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the recommendations Bill and Kent. 

James

On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing.  After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that.

We sourced our IridiumGo service through the SatPhoneStore.com (Atlantic RadioTelephone, Inc. in Miami).

The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out.  Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

Thanks all for your input.
This issue was eventually resolved. The bearings on the electric motor rotor of the Bow Thruster were removed with the help of a mechanic and his hydraulic press.
The bearings were replaced thanks to references from Alexandre and previous posts (GaryGianni). 
This diagram from Amel saved here for reference: Bow Thruster Motor SM diagram.pdf.

Fair Winds,

Thomas 
GARULFO A54#122
Saint Martin, FWI

On 28 March 2018 at 11:52, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Soraya & Thomas,

Back in March 6, 2011 I saved an email sent from Gary to Gianni regarding the Bearing on the Electric Motor of the Bow Thruster.

Here is what it says:

the bearing in the base of the motor that supports the spline shaft is an NSK 6204VV bearing. Evidently the 6204 bearing size is very common and the VV means that the bearing is sealed with a rubber seal on each side. The bearing is a Single Row Radial Bearing; 20 mm ID x 47 mm OD x 14 mm Wide; Double Sealed, Non-Contact; C3 Clearance.

Extraction of the bearing and replacement is another issue. When you have accomplished the task please write it up and post it in the Files Section of the forum for the rest of us. Also, you could upload your photos to the Bow Thruster Service File in the Photos Section. I think they would useful to encourage everyone to annually service this area and take care of corrosion control.

So I am afraid no one has done this procedure, unless Gary or Bill did it.

Sincerely, Alexandre

PS: really enjoy the tour of your 54 !!!

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/28/18, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 8:17 AM


 









Hello,



Has anyone dismounted/replaced the bearings on the electric
motor rotor of the Bow Thruster on SM? In particular, the
bottom bearing.

see pictures. The bottom bearing is partially removed, but
the remaining part seems stuck.



Asking on behalf of a friend on Super Maramu.



Thanks for your input

Thomas

GARULFO A54 #122

currently in Saint Martin





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello James I am in the process to buy an Iridium Go here in Las Palamas. What I do not understand about your message. I thougt that Iridium is the service provider.
I get an offer of 12000 units (what ever that means) for 620 $ for 6 month.
I can activate it via email. Any input about Iridium Go (pro/con) are welcom, because you guys in US are much more used about modern communication applications then we are here in Europe.
Is that the price. Predict wind professionnel: 90 US $ per month ? 

Best regards
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2
Las Palmas


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Von : amelyachtowners@...
Datum : 09/04/2018 - 20:58 (MS)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Betreff : [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Bob Grey
 

Bill, yes I used my running back stays which was anothe reason I did not like them, as you needed to leave the cockpit to set them up and change when you tacked.

Bob 

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 05:49, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I have a question for all users of an inner staysail on a SM:

Do you also have and use running backstays and do you use them when sailing with your inner foresail a/k/a Trinkette? 

Since the mainmast is not designed to take a significant load where the inner foresail will mount, I assume that the safe course of action is to do the same thing Amel did with the 54 and add running backstays from the mast attachment point of the added inner staysail. 

I would really hate to see someone buy a used SM which has an inner foresail which was "rigged" by the previous owner, but the owner chose not to rig running backstays. Replacing masts and rigging can be costly.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Paul Cooper paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Awesome!  That's what I'm talking about.  Good first-hand information!  Thanks so much Peter, Paul and Mohammad.  Very helpful.

Best regards,
Paul C.

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 3:43:23 AM MDT, osterberg..paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:


 

Paul


Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

We use the company below. I really do not know how they compare to other companies since this is the only Sat-Phone company we have used. We find them very easy to do business with. Everything we do is one line or via email. They are very responsive.

 

Network Innovations

4950 West Prospect Road

Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

954-973-3100

954-973-4800

Web: http://www.networkinv.com

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

 

Hello Amel owners - 

 

This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  



I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!



James

Soteria SM347

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

John Clark
 

Paul,
   I am at 18 months owning an SM.  Listen to the Bills and Alex.  In my opinion what is best is an unmolested Amel surveyed by an Amel savvy surveyor.   Unmolested means kept as origionally intended by Amel.  If Amel put it on then it is probably ok.

I was lucky and bought an unmolested older SM, she had some maintenance issues but nothing big ticket. I was more taken with the previous owners who owned her for 17 years.  They were consummate ocean sailors.  They were open and frank about what they did and didnt do. They took care of the parts that counted.  I feel better today having personally visited those "luxury" maintenance issues and knowing the status of the boat before sailing off.  A "perfect" boat is never really perfect...except Bebe...  ;)

I took care of post purchase maintenance and upfit as we sailed, just a little at a time. 


John
SV Annie
SM 37
Georgetown Exuma....provisioning for St Thomas USVI.





On Sun, Apr 8, 2018, 10:36 AM paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  My previous boat (a PSC) had a removable inner forestay which I rigged for offshore sailing only.   Used, and loved, it for heavy weather not upwind sailing.  With the single rig, a double-reefed main and staysail combo was perfectly balanced in heavy winds.  I suspect with the ketch rig the advantages would not be so great, which I actually experienced on our friend's SM2K in 40+ kt winds in the med.  No trinkette and no problem.


Bill, thank you for your advice on new ownership.  So much food for thought, I think my brain must be getting obese.

Paul C.

Re: satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing.  After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that.

We sourced our IridiumGo service through the SatPhoneStore.com (Atlantic RadioTelephone, Inc. in Miami).

The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out.  Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

I've used Satellite Phones Direct for several years and they have always been helpful and timely in their response.  Talk to Jennifer or Victor at (770) 449-6826.  They are located in Norcross, Georgia, USA in greater Atlanta area.


Kent
Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries [1 Attachment]

 

Den,

One more thing. I have seen what I think is this same battery under numerous brand names. I suspect the country of origin is China, but I cannot be sure. EFFEKTA is a manufacturer of uninterruptible power supplies (UPS) and I believe the main reason for this battery is as a component in their UPS. I am always wary of this kind of situation, but I also understand your issue with having to find batteries in Croatia. I had to find them in Montenegro. I had to buy starting batteries which had a much shorter life than deep cycle batteries. Although I could not find any information as to the type of battery, I believe it is AGM. I am sure that you know that you may have to change the charging parameters of your 220VAC battery chargers and your engine mounted 24VDC alternator.

From their website (earlier, I said Dutch): "EFFEKTA has been successfully working in the UPS market for over 22 years. Over the years, our company has come to epitomise reliability and quality and we are now one of the leading UPS manufacturers in Germany."

BTW, I urged my client to try to find something else.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Bill Rouse included below]

Den,

I was just looking at these Dutch EFFEKTA batteries for a 54 client. Please review the following chart...the B12-120S is 171mm wide. The photo you posted is of the B12-120S.

It is true that the B12-120 is 177mm wide. Where did you get your width?


Also, Brochure attached directly to your email


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM, delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries

 

Den,

I was just looking at these Dutch EFFEKTA batteries for a 54 client. Please review the following chart...the B12-120S is 171mm wide. The photo you posted is of the B12-120S.

It is true that the B12-120 is 177mm wide. Where did you get your width?


Also, Brochure attached directly to your email

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM, delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 


satellite service providers

James Cromie
 

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347


Batteries

Denis Elborn
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

 

I have a question for all users of an inner staysail on a SM:

Do you also have and use running backstays and do you use them when sailing with your inner foresail a/k/a Trinkette? 

Since the mainmast is not designed to take a significant load where the inner foresail will mount, I assume that the safe course of action is to do the same thing Amel did with the 54 and add running backstays from the mast attachment point of the added inner staysail. 

I would really hate to see someone buy a used SM which has an inner foresail which was "rigged" by the previous owner, but the owner chose not to rig running backstays. Replacing masts and rigging can be costly.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Paul Cooper paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Awesome!  That's what I'm talking about.  Good first-hand information!  Thanks so much Peter, Paul and Mohammad.  Very helpful.

Best regards,
Paul C.

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 3:43:23 AM MDT, osterberg..paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Paul


Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Paul Cooper <paul.cooper74@...>
 

Awesome!  That's what I'm talking about.  Good first-hand information!  Thanks so much Peter, Paul and Mohammad.  Very helpful.

Best regards,
Paul C.

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 3:43:23 AM MDT, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Paul


Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] silicone for ealing genoa tracks

Ryan Meador
 

That stuff is amazing for sealing hatch glass to the hatch frame.  I imagine it would work very well on the genoa track too.  It's easier to find if you search for SCS2000; the 2002 variant is the same stuff, but in white.  I think 2003 is black.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:25 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I just got off the phone with general electric silicone division technical support..

I spoke with them about plugging the holes in the genoa track.

 

They recommended GE SCS2002 sealant—reading the data sheet-looks like this is the stuff.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

Warren Traill
 

Hi Trevor. How’s the passage south going? There’s plenty of changeable wind in Rebak. How is it for you guys?

Cheers,

Warren

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2018 2:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

 

 

Hi Warren,

 

We are checking into the Marina today and will have a look around this evening if you’re about. 


On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:37 PM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Trevor. It would be very interesting to meet you. We will be on the hardstand at Rebak from March 31st to April 10th..

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com]
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 3:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

 

 

Hello Warren,

 

Just checked out today and plan on departing tomorrow for Langkawi.  We should be down there in a couple days. I’ll keep an eye out for you and look forward to meeting up. 

 

Email is: sviris1990 at gmail 

 

Trevor 

SV Iris, SN027

Ao Chalong Bay, Phuket


On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:18 PM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Trevor. We are on our Sharki #15. We’ve been cruising West coast Thailand/Langkawi for some time. We are also considering the east rally and will be at Rebak next week. Are you guys in that area?

Cheers,

Warren and Zetta

Manon2

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2018 4:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -

 

 

Hello Eric,

 

Congratulations on the little one! 

 

Our daughter was born in July (in the UK) last year and arrived on the boat 2 months later (in Phuket).  

 

We’ve been living full time and traveling coastal. We are about to do the Passage to the East Rally which heads down the Straight to Singapore and then over to Borneo.  

 

As you can imagine my wife has had some concerns with an infant on a boat. 

 

I’m sure you’ve thought of most of these items but here is a quick list that has affected us. 

 

- It is pretty much child proof already (no low sockets, locking doors and cabinets, rounded edges etc. 

- We are in a Santorin so the berthing might be different. Our aft cabin had a small cushioned section with a leeboard on the starboard side.  I relocated it a foot more inboard and now my kid has her own bed in our cabin with all sides protecting her from rolling out - she’s now a week shy of 8 months and pulling herself over them so we are getting two Lee cloths sown up.  One for her bed and the other for the bunk in the saloon.  You might opt for the pilot bunk though. 

- We bought a Salus Infant Vest for her once she was 6 months. She uses this to chill in the water with us.  A great vest for kids as no matter how they enter the water they end up face up.  I’ve tested it well and am positive it works. 

- In the tender we strap her in a chest harness to one of us.. We are both competent swimmers and while she is attached our only role is to look after her. No other tender duties. Not that we couldn’t but even a simple task of tying up to the dock is not worth it. A slip of the foot in the wet dinghy, you’d fall forward and crush her. So we just play it safe and make sure there is always positive control.. 

- We don’t have as much space as an SM so we opted for a small umbrella type stroller. We would prefer something larger that would recline back so she could sleep / nap when we are off the boat. 

- Welcome to single handling everything.  That kid is a non stop attention taker.  Not by choice, it’s just an infant that poops by itself.  That’s the only thing it does on its own. Everything else is on us. So one of us is off boat duty and on kid duty.  So night passages are almost a no go for us at the moment.  As neither one of us gets an ‘off watch’ time to sleep ourselves. So we plan our passages accordingly. 

- Car seat.  We have a quality seat that gets strapped down in the saloon and she gets strapped in it should the weather get bad or I absolutely need a hand with something. We do not strap her to us and try to multi task the boat duties. 

- A hammock in the shade of the cockpit for naps and such. So she isn’t always down below by herself. 

- A small portable chair that sets on a seat.  Like a high chair, minus the legs.  

- Food and nappies.  Plan well.  We are in Southeast Asia and trying to find things my wife is happy with is time consuming and costly when we do find some imported items.  I suppose this is dependent on your location though.  

- Shots. If you’re electing to get shots for the kid plan out the locations.  As the shots are given based on the age of the kid. 

- Passport right away for foreign travel

- Ro Sham Bo sunglasses for infants (when she leaves them on). 

- A large umbrella for tender travel. 

 

Good luck and enjoy. 

 

Trevor

Iris, SN 027

Phuket

 

 


On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Eric,

First of all congratulations for little Nolan coming this June !!!

I love the Bahamas.
Just like you I work so internet is important to me.

One of my favorite place is Port Lucaya in Grand Bahama because of the reasonable monthly marina rate, access to groceries and other infrastructure, etc.
In 2014 I spent 4 months in Port Lucaya Marina / Yacht Club and paid $600/month.
In 2015 I spent 3 months in Taino Beach (also in Port Lucaya) which became my favorite and paid $540/month.
Because of their huge pool with a some shallow area, I am certain you, Viki and especially little Nolan will love this place!
I can look for pictures to send you.
The beach 3 minutes walk away from the marina, they are places to walk, lay down, etc.
They also loan you towels for a $10 deposit and you can exchange them as often as you want, which you will realize is a considerable saving on laundry/generator time especially with the little one!..
I used my bicycle to go grocery shopping, but they have a bus going twice a week. In the super market you will find groceries as well as baby supplies.
I can not imagine a better place for you and your family.
Regarding the draft, you will have to wait almost “mid tide” to enter/leave the Bell Channel.
Port Lucaya is only 90 NM from Miami/Fort Lauderdale, so less than a day trip should you need to go. They i also an international airport.

Later in I also suggest you spend 1 months in Great Harbor Cay in the Berry Island.. It is an overnight trip from Grand Bahama.
I was there in low season so the price was $540/month, the prices are higher now, but I think you can negotiate and you get a discount with Active Captain.
Surprisingly the internet was the best I have seen in the Bahamas.
There was no issue to enter the channel even at low tide..
The beach was 20 minutes walk from the marina. They loan you bicycle if you don’t have any, the water is clearest I have seen.
There was no real grocery store some come prepared, therefore the fishermen come back every afternoon with 250 to 250 lobsters and sell you “tail only” for $10/lbs. Sailing along the coast is excellent for fishing!

As Nolan grows up (but wait him to be tall enough for all the ride), then a stop in Atlantis is a must. Not sure who will like the place the most Nolan or dad! But it is quite expensive per day. Nassau is an overnight trip from the Berry Island.
There is no worry for the draft. Atlantis is also very protected from Hurricane..

Hope that helps, please feel free to contact me directly if you want pictures of the places.

Enjoy your trip!
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 3/11/18, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Baby on Board and where to go in the Bahamas -
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2018, 11:18 PM


 









Hello amel family.
Viki and I are expecting (this is
why the boat is on the hard right now) our first little crew
member    
Nolan
(insert middle name)  Meury will be arriving this
June.  
Our plan is
to spend November and December around Stuart Florida as
Nolan will be signed up for infant water survival classes
there.  Then we are thinking of heading the bahamas for a
month and then back to GA where we will keep the boat for
the next hurricane season..
I have two requirements for the
bahamas...
1.  Some place that has access
to mobile internet or awesome wifi as i still have to work m
start up (www.pascalworkflow.com) and my tax
practice.  
2.  Some place that we don't
have to worry about draft (marsh harbor or Georgetown? -
other ideas)

Also would love some Amel specific
or non amel specific for those that have had their baby on
board.
Thanks
again





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Paul Osterberg
 

Paul

Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Peter Forbes
 

All,

We use our staysail on Carango [Amel 54] a lot and it definitely enables us to point higher. We use it with a 'barber hauler' too to get an even closer turning point closer to the centre line of the yacht. We use the running backstays which are I think vital to balance the pressure on the mast from the staysail.


Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In Bermuda

On 9 Apr 2018, at 06:49, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Paul;
 
On our 54, we find that the staysail in combination with the Genoa does help us point higher, or at least the boat can stay in the groove at closer wind angles. We have never measured it, so I do not have a great answer for you, but how much higher we can point does depend on the wind strength. The stronger the wind the higher we can point due to the staysail sheeted inboard of the deck and the small size of the sail needing the power to drive the boat up wind. This is not however a significant amount. I  think we are talking anything between 2-5 degrees depending on wind strength.
 
With wind over 30 knots, the staysail has sufficient power to fly alone and very comfortable. Especially if we are close hauled. The heal angle of the boat is significantly reduced, the effect of wind gusts on changing the heal angle is much less and the boat is well balanced and under control. In our opinion the staysail on the 54 is a great asset to have. You can set it in the heavy conditions and not have concerns about the safety of the rig and have sufficient power to approach hull speed in most points of sail, except maybe being close hauled. There have been a couple of occasions I can think of that we have had to slightly furl the staysail for comfort.
 
For us, the staysail is a great asset, that does get used, although not often and usually in winds over 25-30 knots.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-644-0908 Fax
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 4:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

 

Paul, I have a 55 that came with a staysail, it has been used very rarely and in fact never really been needed, it causes more problems being there than it would ever hope to be useful or effective. When I buy another Amel, it won’t have a staysail.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
55 #25

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On Monday, April 9, 2018, 00:34, paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  My previous boat (a PSC) had a removable inner forestay which I rigged for offshore sailing only.   Used, and loved, it for heavy weather not upwind sailing.  With the single rig, a double-reefed main and staysail combo was perfectly balanced in heavy winds.  I suspect with the ketch rig the advantages would not be so great, which I actually experienced on our friend's SM2K in 40+ kt winds in the med.  No trinkette and no problem.


Bill, thank you for your advice on new ownership.  So much food for thought, I think my brain must be getting obese.

Paul C.