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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: Dessalator Operational Question

greatketch@...
 

Just a guess, based on the key input that starting the AC first makes it work...

I'm betting the check valve on the AC water system is leaking and air is being sucked backwards through the centrifugal pump.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Dessalator Operational Question

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Paul Cooper <paul.cooper74@...>
 

FWIT, on my PSC I used running backstays when setting the staysail in strong winds so as not to tempt fate.  It certainly seems a bad idea not to, and negligent not to have them installed by a rigger, unless of course the inner forestay goes to the masthead.

At that time I knew nothing of Amels, or any boat that you could sail entirely from the cockpit for that matter, so scampering around on deck was "normal" and I didn't object to having to rig the running backs.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

Kent,

Iridium GO can most certainly do voice calls through the app on a phone or tablet...

Bill Kinney
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

Ian Park
 

For info.
Jean Collin is now in AMEL Hyeres. Albany has taken over in Le Marin.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96 - Guadaloupe


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

mfmcgovern@...
 

Duane,

I had both the genoa and ballooner sheaves replaced when I bought my SM this past July before I sailed it up to the Chesapeake.  If I were you, I would change them both while you are up there doing it.  The boat was in Le Marin Marina in Martinique when I bought her so I just had Amel Martinique order the sheaves for me.   I checked the copy of my invoice and unfortunately all it said was "réas de tete de mat" or "masthead sheaves" so I do not have the part number or size to give you.  I can tell you that they cost 29.10 Euro each.  I would contact Maud in La Rochelle or Jean Collin in Martinique.  I might still have the old ones on the boat.  I will have a look this weekend when I am there and will report back if I do.

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

It looks like your place in GA has minute for a little bit less than mine in FL.

 

As an FYI – we connect our Iridium phone directly to the ships computer and use it as a modem (not recommended with Windows 10 because of the auto-updates). Without the GO it is one less thing we have to worry about staying charged. Here’s a link if anyone is interested: http://www.outfittersatellite.com/blog/iridium-satellite-phone/windows-7-with-iridium-9555.html

 

Prior to us leaving port we will set up a schedule to receive emails of compressed weather files each morning of the trip. A sea/wind five day forecast for an area about half of the size of the Caribbean Sea will take about 5 minutes to download. This info is over-layed onto our NobelTec Time Zero navigation software which will then use the latest weather to calculate the fastest route to our destination – not always a straight line. Cost is about $8 for receiving this data. Since we are not frequently doing long overnight passages, this is the most cost effective way for us to receive forecast when in route.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

 

Hanspeter, 

I'm not sure what the "units" are that your plan quotes.  The vendors who sell Iridium products are bound by their contracts to sell at very similar prices.  I got 500 minutes of airtime for about $750 US.  It's good for one year, and you can be extended for a significant price.  If you sign up for the same plan before yours expires, the minutes you have left roll over to the new plan.  You can always add more minutes if you run out.

 

With the Iridium Go you can't talk (maybe through your cell phone ?). I use a phone with an added Iridium wifi gadget called AxcessPoint.  It sets up a wifi hot spot.  The laptop connects via wifi for downloading email and weather.  It works like the GO, only charging minutes when data is actually downloading.

Doing it this way I can also do voice calls.

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

Hanspeter, 
I'm not sure what the "units" are that your plan quotes.  The vendors who sell Iridium products are bound by their contracts to sell at very similar prices.  I got 500 minutes of airtime for about $750 US.  It's good for one year, and you can be extended for a significant price.  If you sign up for the same plan before yours expires, the minutes you have left roll over to the new plan.  You can always add more minutes if you run out.

With the Iridium Go you can't talk (maybe through your cell phone ?). I use a phone with an added Iridium wifi gadget called AxcessPoint.  It sets up a wifi hot spot.  The laptop connects via wifi for downloading email and weather.  It works like the GO, only charging minutes when data is actually downloading.
Doing it this way I can also do voice calls.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Gary,

I had uploaded the file to the Bow thruster Maintenance folder in the files area with your other guides are.
Unfortunately, it seems right click & copying file address didn't work on this occasion.(test link)

The issue reported is on behalf of a friend on SM. The setup is different on the A54.


Thanks

Thomas 
GARULFO A54#122
Saint Martin, FWI

 


On 10 April 2018 at 00:09, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Thomas:  I am glad you successfully replaced that bearing.  Unfortunately the pdf file you attached isn't accessible.  Please upload it to the files section of this site.  I believe there is a folder for bow thruster related files and if so please upload it to that folder. 


All the best, 

Gary Silver  
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000   #335



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain to rode. How do you ?

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Ian
Do you also have the tigres windlass on your SN?
So the solution you describe with a snubber to take load off the main line  makes sense

Did you use this when dropping too ?
I guess if I put chain marking on before the chain to rope splice as a warning I could rig up the top answer snubber line, switch from chain to rope gypsy on the windlass the lower away!
Might take some practice !

Many thanks for your help  

Miles


On 10 Apr 2018, at 11:47, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Miles, John
I have a Santorin too. It had 8mm chain (60m + 40m rode) when I took over ownership. I changed to 100m of 10mm chain. I much easier to do a seasonal end to end swap over with all chain.
The previous boat I had was a mixture of chain and rode with a lofrans windlass. I used to pull the rope up with the rope side of the windlass and then transfer across. It worked, but was awkward. Using a chain hook and short rope helped in holding things during the swap. You had to take a bit of care as there was a foot of rope and the join going over the chain Gypsy before you were on to all chain, but it worked. Try it first in a calm anchorage where there is no real pressure on the system
John, my 100m of chain still piles up under the hawse hole unless there is a bit of swell. I would like to put an angled plate in the locker to divert the chain forwards. There is plenty of space in there but the chain just sticks to itself in a pyramid and doesn’t slough off easily.
Anybody out there found a solution?

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96 Guadaloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

Mark Erdos
 

John,

 

Can you explain the last line please. Are you talking about a snubber line?

 

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

 

 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 

 

On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

 

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

 

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

 

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

 

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

 

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

 

Best 

 

John Hayes 

 

WELLINGTON NZ

 

 

 

 


On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles


Re: Chain to rode. How do you ?

Ian Park
 

Miles, John
I have a Santorin too. It had 8mm chain (60m + 40m rode) when I took over ownership. I changed to 100m of 10mm chain. I much easier to do a seasonal end to end swap over with all chain.
The previous boat I had was a mixture of chain and rode with a lofrans windlass. I used to pull the rope up with the rope side of the windlass and then transfer across. It worked, but was awkward. Using a chain hook and short rope helped in holding things during the swap. You had to take a bit of care as there was a foot of rope and the join going over the chain Gypsy before you were on to all chain, but it worked. Try it first in a calm anchorage where there is no real pressure on the system
John, my 100m of chain still piles up under the hawse hole unless there is a bit of swell. I would like to put an angled plate in the locker to divert the chain forwards. There is plenty of space in there but the chain just sticks to itself in a pyramid and doesn’t slough off easily.
Anybody out there found a solution?

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96 Guadaloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

smiles bernard
 

Thanks John
Sounds
Like you have a nice well proven setup
Ive also used 100 m all chain before on a previous boat and loved the simplicity and security. 

I was also hoping to hear from folk with chain extended with rope. 

How do people move from the chain section to the rope section of the anchor line whilst still using the windlass? 

I’ve not done this before and my windlass is a chain only Tigres
So I can’t just drop and raise chain or rope on the same gypsy

If I can figure this out and it does not sound too difficult I might just extend my 50m of 12mm chain with a 50 m spliced on rope section. 

If not my more costly options are :

A)  add extra (20meters) of 12mm chain with a high load quality c-link to join it to my current 50m

B) replace the lot and get 100m if 10mm and a new windlass gypsy to boot!

Many thanks 

Miles




On 10 Apr 2018, at 09:55, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 


On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

Best 

John Hayes 

WELLINGTON NZ






On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

JOHN HAYES
 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 

On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

Best 

John Hayes 

WELLINGTON NZ






On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles



Chain to rode. How do you ?

smiles bernard
 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?


I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

eric freedman
 

Duane,

Did you write to Maud?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 9:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

 

 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?

 

I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...

 

It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.

 

It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Jib Halyard Sheave

Duane Siegfri
 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?


I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...


It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.


It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: satellite service providers

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the recommendations Bill and Kent. 

James

On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing.  After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that.

We sourced our IridiumGo service through the SatPhoneStore.com (Atlantic RadioTelephone, Inc. in Miami).

The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out.  Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

Thanks all for your input.
This issue was eventually resolved. The bearings on the electric motor rotor of the Bow Thruster were removed with the help of a mechanic and his hydraulic press.
The bearings were replaced thanks to references from Alexandre and previous posts (GaryGianni). 
This diagram from Amel saved here for reference: Bow Thruster Motor SM diagram.pdf.

Fair Winds,

Thomas 
GARULFO A54#122
Saint Martin, FWI

On 28 March 2018 at 11:52, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Soraya & Thomas,

Back in March 6, 2011 I saved an email sent from Gary to Gianni regarding the Bearing on the Electric Motor of the Bow Thruster.

Here is what it says:

the bearing in the base of the motor that supports the spline shaft is an NSK 6204VV bearing. Evidently the 6204 bearing size is very common and the VV means that the bearing is sealed with a rubber seal on each side. The bearing is a Single Row Radial Bearing; 20 mm ID x 47 mm OD x 14 mm Wide; Double Sealed, Non-Contact; C3 Clearance.

Extraction of the bearing and replacement is another issue. When you have accomplished the task please write it up and post it in the Files Section of the forum for the rest of us. Also, you could upload your photos to the Bow Thruster Service File in the Photos Section. I think they would useful to encourage everyone to annually service this area and take care of corrosion control.

So I am afraid no one has done this procedure, unless Gary or Bill did it.

Sincerely, Alexandre

PS: really enjoy the tour of your 54 !!!

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/28/18, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 8:17 AM


 









Hello,



Has anyone dismounted/replaced the bearings on the electric
motor rotor of the Bow Thruster on SM? In particular, the
bottom bearing.

see pictures. The bottom bearing is partially removed, but
the remaining part seems stuck.



Asking on behalf of a friend on Super Maramu.



Thanks for your input

Thomas

GARULFO A54 #122

currently in Saint Martin