Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?
John,
Can you explain the last line please. Are you talking about a snubber line?
Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe www.creampuff.us
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My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel
On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift
The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time
It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months
In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in
Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea
We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry
Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead
Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs
Best
John Hayes
WELLINGTON NZ
On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Chain to rode. How do you ?
Ian Park
Miles, John
I have a Santorin too. It had 8mm chain (60m + 40m rode) when I took over ownership. I changed to 100m of 10mm chain. I much easier to do a seasonal end to end swap over with all chain. The previous boat I had was a mixture of chain and rode with a lofrans windlass. I used to pull the rope up with the rope side of the windlass and then transfer across. It worked, but was awkward. Using a chain hook and short rope helped in holding things during the swap. You had to take a bit of care as there was a foot of rope and the join going over the chain Gypsy before you were on to all chain, but it worked. Try it first in a calm anchorage where there is no real pressure on the system John, my 100m of chain still piles up under the hawse hole unless there is a bit of swell. I would like to put an angled plate in the locker to divert the chain forwards. There is plenty of space in there but the chain just sticks to itself in a pyramid and doesn’t slough off easily. Anybody out there found a solution? Ian Ocean Hobo SN96 Guadaloupe
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?
smiles bernard
Thanks John
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Sounds Like you have a nice well proven setup Ive also used 100 m all chain before on a previous boat and loved the simplicity and security. I was also hoping to hear from folk with chain extended with rope. How do people move from the chain section to the rope section of the anchor line whilst still using the windlass? I’ve not done this before and my windlass is a chain only Tigres So I can’t just drop and raise chain or rope on the same gypsy If I can figure this out and it does not sound too difficult I might just extend my 50m of 12mm chain with a 50 m spliced on rope section. If not my more costly options are : A) add extra (20meters) of 12mm chain with a high load quality c-link to join it to my current 50m B) replace the lot and get 100m if 10mm and a new windlass gypsy to boot! Many thanks Miles
On 10 Apr 2018, at 09:55, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?
JOHN HAYES
My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel
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On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs Best John Hayes WELLINGTON NZ
On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Chain to rode. How do you ?
smiles bernard
Hello fellow Amelians
Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat (Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode) I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions. what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ? I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me. He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections. He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode. If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass. Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before. Many thanks Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave
eric freedman
Duane, Did you write to Maud? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 9:31 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave
Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?
I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave. I was lucky that the broken section was visible...
It appears easy to replace. There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place. This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on. Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.
It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info. I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.
Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Jib Halyard Sheave
Duane Siegfri
Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast? I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave. I was lucky that the broken section was visible... It appears easy to replace. There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place. This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on. Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave. It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info. I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it. Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: satellite service providers
James Cromie
Thanks for the recommendations Bill and Kent.
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James
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM
Sv Garulfo
Hello, Thanks all for your input. This issue was eventually resolved. The bearings on the electric motor rotor of the Bow Thruster were removed with the help of a mechanic and his hydraulic press. This diagram from Amel saved here for reference: Bow Thruster Motor SM diagram.pdf. Fair Winds, Thomas GARULFO A54#122 Saint Martin, FWI
On 28 March 2018 at 11:52, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers
hanspeter baettig
Hello James I am in the process to buy an Iridium Go here in Las Palamas. What I do not understand about your message. I thougt that Iridium is the service provider. I get an offer of 12000 units (what ever that means) for 620 $ for 6 month. I can activate it via email. Any input about Iridium Go (pro/con) are welcom, because you guys in US are much more used about modern communication applications then we are here in Europe. Is that the price. Predict wind professionnel: 90 US $ per month ? Best regards Hanspeter SM 16, Tamango 2 Las Palmas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail
Bill, yes I used my running back stays which was anothe reason I did not like them, as you needed to leave the cockpit to set them up and change when you tacked.
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On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 05:49, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers
James,
We use the company below. I really do not know how they compare to other companies since this is the only Sat-Phone company we have used. We find them very easy to do business with. Everything we do is one line or via email. They are very responsive.
Network Innovations 4950 West Prospect Road Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 954-973-3100 954-973-4800 Web: http://www.networkinv.com
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
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Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 3:59 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers
Hello Amel owners -
This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication. I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service. I would not use this provider in the future.
I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!
James Soteria SM347
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail
John Clark
Paul, I am at 18 months owning an SM. Listen to the Bills and Alex. In my opinion what is best is an unmolested Amel surveyed by an Amel savvy surveyor. Unmolested means kept as origionally intended by Amel. If Amel put it on then it is probably ok. I was lucky and bought an unmolested older SM, she had some maintenance issues but nothing big ticket. I was more taken with the previous owners who owned her for 17 years. They were consummate ocean sailors. They were open and frank about what they did and didnt do. They took care of the parts that counted. I feel better today having personally visited those "luxury" maintenance issues and knowing the status of the boat before sailing off. A "perfect" boat is never really perfect...except Bebe... ;) I took care of post purchase maintenance and upfit as we sailed, just a little at a time. John SV Annie SM 37 Georgetown Exuma....provisioning for St Thomas USVI.
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Re: satellite service providers
greatketch@...
I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing. After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that. The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out. Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all? Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas ---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote : Hello Amel owners - This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication. I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service. I would not use this provider in the future. I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice! James Soteria SM347
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers
I've used Satellite Phones Direct for several years and they have always been helpful and timely in their response. Talk to Jennifer or Victor at (770) 449-6826. They are located in Norcross, Georgia, USA in greater Atlanta area. Kent Kristy SM243
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries [1 Attachment]
Den, One more thing. I have seen what I think is this same battery under numerous brand names. I suspect the country of origin is China, but I cannot be sure. EFFEKTA is a manufacturer of uninterruptible power supplies (UPS) and I believe the main reason for this battery is as a component in their UPS. I am always wary of this kind of situation, but I also understand your issue with having to find batteries in Croatia. I had to find them in Montenegro. I had to buy starting batteries which had a much shorter life than deep cycle batteries. Although I could not find any information as to the type of battery, I believe it is AGM. I am sure that you know that you may have to change the charging parameters of your 220VAC battery chargers and your engine mounted 24VDC alternator. From their website (earlier, I said Dutch): "EFFEKTA has been successfully working in the UPS market for over 22 years. Over the years, our company has come to epitomise reliability and quality and we are now one of the leading UPS manufacturers in Germany." BTW, I urged my client to try to find something else. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries
Den, I was just looking at these Dutch EFFEKTA batteries for a 54 client. Please review the following chart...the B12-120S is 171mm wide. The photo you posted is of the B12-120S. It is true that the B12-120 is 177mm wide. Where did you get your width? Also, Brochure attached directly to your email Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM, delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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satellite service providers
James Cromie
Hello Amel owners - This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication. I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service. I would not use this provider in the future. I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice! James Soteria SM347
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Batteries
Denis Elborn
Hi Everyone, I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit. Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way. Den and Julie Aventura 54-113
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail
I have a question for all users of an inner staysail on a SM: Do you also have and use running backstays and do you use them when sailing with your inner foresail a/k/a Trinkette? Since the mainmast is not designed to take a significant load where the inner foresail will mount, I assume that the safe course of action is to do the same thing Amel did with the 54 and add running backstays from the mast attachment point of the added inner staysail. I would really hate to see someone buy a used SM which has an inner foresail which was "rigged" by the previous owner, but the owner chose not to rig running backstays. Replacing masts and rigging can be costly. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Paul Cooper paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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