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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

Mark Erdos
 

John,

 

Can you explain the last line please. Are you talking about a snubber line?

 

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

 

 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 

 

On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

 

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

 

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

 

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

 

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

 

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

 

Best 

 

John Hayes 

 

WELLINGTON NZ

 

 

 

 


On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles

Re: Chain to rode. How do you ?

Ian Park
 

Miles, John
I have a Santorin too. It had 8mm chain (60m + 40m rode) when I took over ownership. I changed to 100m of 10mm chain. I much easier to do a seasonal end to end swap over with all chain.
The previous boat I had was a mixture of chain and rode with a lofrans windlass. I used to pull the rope up with the rope side of the windlass and then transfer across. It worked, but was awkward. Using a chain hook and short rope helped in holding things during the swap. You had to take a bit of care as there was a foot of rope and the join going over the chain Gypsy before you were on to all chain, but it worked. Try it first in a calm anchorage where there is no real pressure on the system
John, my 100m of chain still piles up under the hawse hole unless there is a bit of swell. I would like to put an angled plate in the locker to divert the chain forwards. There is plenty of space in there but the chain just sticks to itself in a pyramid and doesn’t slough off easily.
Anybody out there found a solution?

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96 Guadaloupe
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

smiles bernard
 

Thanks John
Sounds
Like you have a nice well proven setup
Ive also used 100 m all chain before on a previous boat and loved the simplicity and security. 

I was also hoping to hear from folk with chain extended with rope. 

How do people move from the chain section to the rope section of the anchor line whilst still using the windlass? 

I’ve not done this before and my windlass is a chain only Tigres
So I can’t just drop and raise chain or rope on the same gypsy

If I can figure this out and it does not sound too difficult I might just extend my 50m of 12mm chain with a 50 m spliced on rope section. 

If not my more costly options are :

A)  add extra (20meters) of 12mm chain with a high load quality c-link to join it to my current 50m

B) replace the lot and get 100m if 10mm and a new windlass gypsy to boot!

Many thanks 

Miles




On 10 Apr 2018, at 09:55, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 


On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

Best 

John Hayes 

WELLINGTON NZ






On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ?

JOHN HAYES
 

My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel 

On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up!   Draining the locker produced a lift

The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time 

It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months

In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in

Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea

We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry

Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead 

Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs

Best 

John Hayes 

WELLINGTON NZ






On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?

I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles


Chain to rode. How do you ?

smiles bernard
 

Hello fellow Amelians

Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat
(Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode)

I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions.

what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ?


I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me.

He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections.
He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode.
If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass.

Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before.

Many thanks

Miles
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

eric freedman
 

Duane,

Did you write to Maud?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 9:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Halyard Sheave

 

 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?

 

I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...

 

It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.

 

It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Jib Halyard Sheave

Duane Siegfri
 

Does anyone know the size of the jib halyard sheave at the top of the mast?


I was up there doing some work and noticed that an edge (on the outside circumference) of the sheave had cracked off over about a 20 degree zone on one side of the sheave.  I was lucky that the broken section was visible...


It appears easy to replace.  There is a diamond shaped plate about 25mm long on the stbd side of the mast that is riveted in place.  This plate captures the axle the sheave rides on.  Drill out the rivets, pull the axle (don't drop anything in the process!) and replace the sheave.


It would help to have the correct sheave on hand, if someone has that info.  I searched the photos and files section and couldn't find it.


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: satellite service providers

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the recommendations Bill and Kent. 

James

On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing.  After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that.

We sourced our IridiumGo service through the SatPhoneStore.com (Atlantic RadioTelephone, Inc. in Miami).

The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out.  Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

Thanks all for your input.
This issue was eventually resolved. The bearings on the electric motor rotor of the Bow Thruster were removed with the help of a mechanic and his hydraulic press.
The bearings were replaced thanks to references from Alexandre and previous posts (Gary,  Gianni). 
This diagram from Amel saved here for reference: Bow Thruster Motor SM diagram.pdf.

Fair Winds,

Thomas 
GARULFO A54#122
Saint Martin, FWI

On 28 March 2018 at 11:52, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Soraya & Thomas,

Back in March 6, 2011 I saved an email sent from Gary to Gianni regarding the Bearing on the Electric Motor of the Bow Thruster.

Here is what it says:

the bearing in the base of the motor that supports the spline shaft is an NSK 6204VV bearing. Evidently the 6204 bearing size is very common and the VV means that the bearing is sealed with a rubber seal on each side. The bearing is a Single Row Radial Bearing; 20 mm ID x 47 mm OD x 14 mm Wide; Double Sealed, Non-Contact; C3 Clearance.

Extraction of the bearing and replacement is another issue. When you have accomplished the task please write it up and post it in the Files Section of the forum for the rest of us. Also, you could upload your photos to the Bow Thruster Service File in the Photos Section. I think they would useful to encourage everyone to annually service this area and take care of corrosion control.

So I am afraid no one has done this procedure, unless Gary or Bill did it.

Sincerely, Alexandre

PS: really enjoy the tour of your 54 !!!

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/28/18, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 8:17 AM


 









Hello,



Has anyone dismounted/replaced the bearings on the electric
motor rotor of the Bow Thruster on SM? In particular, the
bottom bearing.

see pictures. The bottom bearing is partially removed, but
the remaining part seems stuck.



Asking on behalf of a friend on Super Maramu.



Thanks for your input

Thomas

GARULFO A54 #122

currently in Saint Martin
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello James I am in the process to buy an Iridium Go here in Las Palamas. What I do not understand about your message. I thougt that Iridium is the service provider.
I get an offer of 12000 units (what ever that means) for 620 $ for 6 month.
I can activate it via email. Any input about Iridium Go (pro/con) are welcom, because you guys in US are much more used about modern communication applications then we are here in Europe.
Is that the price. Predict wind professionnel: 90 US $ per month ? 

Best regards
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2
Las Palmas


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Datum : 09/04/2018 - 20:58 (MS)
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Betreff : [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Bob Grey
 

Bill, yes I used my running back stays which was anothe reason I did not like them, as you needed to leave the cockpit to set them up and change when you tacked.

Bob 

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 05:49, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I have a question for all users of an inner staysail on a SM:

Do you also have and use running backstays and do you use them when sailing with your inner foresail a/k/a Trinkette? 

Since the mainmast is not designed to take a significant load where the inner foresail will mount, I assume that the safe course of action is to do the same thing Amel did with the 54 and add running backstays from the mast attachment point of the added inner staysail. 

I would really hate to see someone buy a used SM which has an inner foresail which was "rigged" by the previous owner, but the owner chose not to rig running backstays. Replacing masts and rigging can be costly.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Paul Cooper paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Awesome!  That's what I'm talking about.  Good first-hand information!  Thanks so much Peter, Paul and Mohammad.  Very helpful.

Best regards,
Paul C.

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 3:43:23 AM MDT, osterberg..paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:


 

Paul


Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

We use the company below. I really do not know how they compare to other companies since this is the only Sat-Phone company we have used. We find them very easy to do business with. Everything we do is one line or via email. They are very responsive.

 

Network Innovations

4950 West Prospect Road

Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

954-973-3100

954-973-4800

Web: http://www.networkinv.com

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

 

Hello Amel owners - 

 

This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  



I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!



James

Soteria SM347

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

John Clark
 

Paul,
   I am at 18 months owning an SM.  Listen to the Bills and Alex.  In my opinion what is best is an unmolested Amel surveyed by an Amel savvy surveyor.   Unmolested means kept as origionally intended by Amel.  If Amel put it on then it is probably ok.

I was lucky and bought an unmolested older SM, she had some maintenance issues but nothing big ticket. I was more taken with the previous owners who owned her for 17 years.  They were consummate ocean sailors.  They were open and frank about what they did and didnt do. They took care of the parts that counted.  I feel better today having personally visited those "luxury" maintenance issues and knowing the status of the boat before sailing off.  A "perfect" boat is never really perfect...except Bebe...  ;)

I took care of post purchase maintenance and upfit as we sailed, just a little at a time. 


John
SV Annie
SM 37
Georgetown Exuma....provisioning for St Thomas USVI.





On Sun, Apr 8, 2018, 10:36 AM paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  My previous boat (a PSC) had a removable inner forestay which I rigged for offshore sailing only.   Used, and loved, it for heavy weather not upwind sailing.  With the single rig, a double-reefed main and staysail combo was perfectly balanced in heavy winds.  I suspect with the ketch rig the advantages would not be so great, which I actually experienced on our friend's SM2K in 40+ kt winds in the med.  No trinkette and no problem.


Bill, thank you for your advice on new ownership.  So much food for thought, I think my brain must be getting obese.

Paul C.
Re: satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

I am pretty sure everybody here is happy to answer any questions even most remotely related to sailing.  After all the alternative would be to send you to someplace like the cruisersforum, and friends don't do that.

We sourced our IridiumGo service through the SatPhoneStore.com (Atlantic RadioTelephone, Inc. in Miami).

The only interaction we had with them was at one point a credit card expired, and they went out of their way to contact us to help sort it out.  Other than that, they take our money, the phone works... I guess that's the best service of all?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

I've used Satellite Phones Direct for several years and they have always been helpful and timely in their response.  Talk to Jennifer or Victor at (770) 449-6826.  They are located in Norcross, Georgia, USA in greater Atlanta area.


Kent
Kristy
SM243
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries [1 Attachment]

CW Bill Rouse
 

Den,

One more thing. I have seen what I think is this same battery under numerous brand names. I suspect the country of origin is China, but I cannot be sure. EFFEKTA is a manufacturer of uninterruptible power supplies (UPS) and I believe the main reason for this battery is as a component in their UPS. I am always wary of this kind of situation, but I also understand your issue with having to find batteries in Croatia. I had to find them in Montenegro. I had to buy starting batteries which had a much shorter life than deep cycle batteries. Although I could not find any information as to the type of battery, I believe it is AGM. I am sure that you know that you may have to change the charging parameters of your 220VAC battery chargers and your engine mounted 24VDC alternator.

From their website (earlier, I said Dutch): "EFFEKTA has been successfully working in the UPS market for over 22 years. Over the years, our company has come to epitomise reliability and quality and we are now one of the leading UPS manufacturers in Germany."

BTW, I urged my client to try to find something else.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Bill Rouse included below]

Den,

I was just looking at these Dutch EFFEKTA batteries for a 54 client. Please review the following chart...the B12-120S is 171mm wide. The photo you posted is of the B12-120S.

It is true that the B12-120 is 177mm wide. Where did you get your width?


Also, Brochure attached directly to your email


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM, delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries

CW Bill Rouse
 

Den,

I was just looking at these Dutch EFFEKTA batteries for a 54 client. Please review the following chart...the B12-120S is 171mm wide. The photo you posted is of the B12-120S.

It is true that the B12-120 is 177mm wide. Where did you get your width?


Also, Brochure attached directly to your email

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM, delborn@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 
satellite service providers

James Cromie
 

Hello Amel owners - 


This is a off-topic for Amel-specific issues, but I'd like to ask for recommendations regarding service providers for satellite communication.  

I have used BlueCosmo for my Iridium Go, and I have been dissatisfied with the service.  I would not use this provider in the future.  


I appreciate the input of anyone willing to give some advice!


James

Soteria SM347
Batteries

Denis Elborn
 

Hi Everyone,


I need to replace my batteries and have been offered a replacement in Croatia that is 175 wide whereas my present batteries are 170 wide. As I'm not on the boat I cannot check whether they will fit.

Could a 54 member, who is on their boat, please measure the available space for the 8 batteries fitted along the side of the boat. I don't think I would have a problem with the 4 next to the walk way.


Den and Julie

Aventura

54-113 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

CW Bill Rouse
 

I have a question for all users of an inner staysail on a SM:

Do you also have and use running backstays and do you use them when sailing with your inner foresail a/k/a Trinkette? 

Since the mainmast is not designed to take a significant load where the inner foresail will mount, I assume that the safe course of action is to do the same thing Amel did with the 54 and add running backstays from the mast attachment point of the added inner staysail. 

I would really hate to see someone buy a used SM which has an inner foresail which was "rigged" by the previous owner, but the owner chose not to rig running backstays. Replacing masts and rigging can be costly.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Paul Cooper paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Awesome!  That's what I'm talking about.  Good first-hand information!  Thanks so much Peter, Paul and Mohammad.  Very helpful.

Best regards,
Paul C.

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 3:43:23 AM MDT, osterberg..paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Paul


Hello!

My thoughts about stay sail.

We did invest in a stay sail, unfortunately the equipment we got was substandard and shape of sail very poor. However we have numerus times encounter conditions when we wish it had worked better. In The Mediterranean wind was often 25 to 30 knots true and “of course” up wind, in The Caribbean we had a lot of up wind sailing between the islands, the same going up from The Bahamas to The Chesapeake bay.  our new Genoa does not furl very well a fot or two, if we furl more the shape is not very good and we lose height. When true wind approaching +25 knots, we do not fancy going up wind but unfortunately, we have had much more of that then expected, so we will in connection with changing of our standing rig when in Le Marine, make sure we get a proper installation of our stay sail, alternatively invest in a smaller Genoa the 130% that has been discussed recently on the forum. BUT the engine in the SM is definitely the Genoa, I say up to 22-24 knots apparent wind a furled Genoa gives much higher speed and VMG then a stay sail, first at higher wind strengths one has a benefit of a stay sail. Concerning tacking we do not find it a problem with the stay sail, even before installing the stay sail we found it easier to tack when partly furling the Genoa, now we have to furl it a little bit more. I found it very rare that we do “short” tacking, I guess the shortest period between tacks on very rare occasions are 15 minutes, we often go several hours on the same tack so if we are forced to furl the Genoa at that time is a very minor obstacle. More of a obstacle is when taking down the Balooner, as one should do that with the wind forward of the beam the ballooner does blow in to the furled stay sail and the friction at high wind make it difficult to take down the balooner, however by furling the twin head sails and unfurl them so that the ballooner are in the wind shade of the Genoa one can relatively easy take down the ballooner.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


  
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