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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Porter McRoberts
 

Completely agree Steve. 
We have exactly the same and now working great with a good external antenna connection. 
Porter 
Ibis54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Actually Kent, it’s not difficult at all. We keep our phones sitting on the nav station where our Go is on its mount, and right next to EPIRB #2 (#1 is already in ditch bag). We would just grab the EPIRB, GO, both phones, and toss them in the ditch bag on the way out.. If you don’t have the 10 seconds it requires to do that, I’m guessing you are having such a bad day, it won’t matter anyway.. 

We really like the unlimited data, texting, and 150 minutes of talk time a month we get at a very reasonable cost. On our recently completed 5000 mile passage to Hawaii, it worked flawlessly, as it has for the previous 3 years. It is really nice to collect lots of weather data twice a day, call Mom and Dad once in a while to reassure them we are fine, txt with friends to pass the time on watch, and not worry about how much data you are using. 

Hope you guys are doing well, and sailing in some beautiful part of the world. 

Aloha,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Apr 11, 2018, at 03:06, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Stephen Davis
 

Actually Kent, it’s not difficult at all. We keep our phones sitting on the nav station where our Go is on its mount, and right next to EPIRB #2 (#1 is already in ditch bag). We would just grab the EPIRB, GO, both phones, and toss them in the ditch bag on the way out. If you don’t have the 10 seconds it requires to do that, I’m guessing you are having such a bad day, it won’t matter anyway. 

We really like the unlimited data, texting, and 150 minutes of talk time a month we get at a very reasonable cost. On our recently completed 5000 mile passage to Hawaii, it worked flawlessly, as it has for the previous 3 years. It is really nice to collect lots of weather data twice a day, call Mom and Dad once in a while to reassure them we are fine, txt with friends to pass the time on watch, and not worry about how much data you are using. 

Hope you guys are doing well, and sailing in some beautiful part of the world. 

Aloha,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Apr 11, 2018, at 03:06, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Thank you for your thoughts and input.  I will dig deeper and let you know what I find.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Porter;
 
Can you please explain how you run the barnacle buster through the systems. I'm interested in the exact process you use. Also since this is an acid, does any one have any input on the potential down side?
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 

Hi Mark and Debbie. 

This is exercised induced angina!  I agree with Mohammad and Aty but also consider that 
in short, could you have calcium build up in the non Volvo raw water side?  I’d disconnect the water maker (mark of cream puffs sage insight) . Run acid (barnacle buster) through the ac/ refrigeration and Onan systems and see what comes out then flush.   I see improvement in our  systems when I run barnacle buster, things get colder more quickly. Use less power. And I also see lots of calcium come out!  

Minutes later....
Upon further reflection. I’d really have a close look at the raw water distributer and everything that connects the high pressure pump to the Seachest. 

Hope you guys are well. 

Porter. 
Ibis 54-152. 
Iles de saintes. 



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:53 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We have the 150 L/hr unit and can run all systems requiring raw water simultaneously without any issues. I am not aware of any design related performance issues with the raw water distribution manifolds.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of galacsea2000
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:38 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 

This does not address your question directly but may be of interest to this community. (FWIW)

Originally, Amel was reluctant to offer the 160 Lt/h, firstly because it was so expensive but also because their experience  over 16 years with the Super Maramu had shown the advantages of the 100 Lt/h duo system (220v & 24v)  that can run on Volvo alone as well as Onan.

If you are the only one to face this issue, then the previous comments are pertinent to finding a solution.

However, if other 54 with the same setup as yours, have experienced comparable problems, then it may be a design issue: To the best of my knowledge all 54 have the same "Xmas tree" (the horizontal pipe that distribute sea water to all consuming units (A/C, Anchor wash,...), except volvo & onan that have a direct connection to the water chest.

That pipe may not be big enough for your setup but it easy to change.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

This does not address your question directly but may be of interest to this community. (FWIW)

Originally, Amel was reluctant to offer the 160 Lt/h, firstly because it was so expensive but also because their experience  over 16 years with the Super Maramu had shown the advantages of the 100 Lt/h duo system (220v & 24v)  that can run on Volvo alone as well as Onan.

If you are the only one to face this issue, then the previous comments are pertinent to finding a solution.

However, if other 54 with the same setup as yours, have experienced comparable problems, then it may be a design issue: To the best of my knowledge all 54 have the same "Xmas tree" (the horizontal pipe that distribute sea water to all consuming units (A/C, Anchor wash,...), except volvo & onan that have a direct connection to the water chest.

That pipe may not be big enough for your setup but it easy to change.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Porter McRoberts
 

Hi Mark and Debbie. 

This is exercised induced angina!  I agree with Mohammad and Aty but also consider that 
in short, could you have calcium build up in the non Volvo raw water side?  I’d disconnect the water maker (mark of cream puffs sage insight) . Run acid (barnacle buster) through the ac/ refrigeration and Onan systems and see what comes out then flush.   I see improvement in our  systems when I run barnacle buster, things get colder more quickly. Use less power. And I also see lots of calcium come out!  

Minutes later....
Upon further reflection. I’d really have a close look at the raw water distributer and everything that connects the high pressure pump to the Seachest. 

Hope you guys are well. 

Porter. 
Ibis 54-152. 
Iles de saintes. 



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:53 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Mark, much appreciated.

Duane


Re: Rebuild genoa furler yes or no

Eric Freedman
 

 

 

From: sailormon [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 9:56 PM
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: RE: Rebuild genoa furler yes or no

 

Sorry wrong subject

 

 

David,

I had the genoa furler serviced by Amel in Martinique in November.

The gears were fine however they replaced 5 bearings and 9 seals or the other way around. They also replaced the electrical wire. The cost was 1200- euros. However this was while Amel was changing my rigging.

The cost was about 10,000 euros.

You will have to pat the rigger to remove the headstay and the motor and then replace the grease in the foil and mount the motor again. I would strongly suggest you have this done. Removing the motor from the headstay is a serious project.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

Sorry - dropped by, but missed you.  Hope things are going well in Martinique.

 

Our standing rigging has arrived - finally.  If was made-up and shipped by ACMO in good time, but we opted to piggy-back our pallet into a container, that was scheduled for a good connection by sea-freight from Z-Spars in France to FKG here in SXM.  We saved a stack of money over air-freight (3 days), but somehow the container was delayed out of France by 4 weeks . . .   

 

Anyway, after we finish here, we will be skipping down-chain, with the mandatory stop in AMEL HQ in MQ - for a little AMEL-specific spares & service, and maybe a rig-check.  Still pondering whether to service the Genoa Furler there.

 

Anyway, hope to catch up somewhere down the track.

 

Best,

 

David

Perigee, SM#396

Back in St Maarten, after Easter in St Baarths

 

 

On Thursday, 22 March 2018, 7:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

David!  

Hello. We’re over in the IWW Marina. Provisioning and deciding on new sails. 

Looks like you’re wearing out your Visa card!!

Went to FKG yesterday. Looks like a serious outfit!!

 

What wind gen are you thinking?  

 

Please stop by if you’re  around. 

We leave probably sat or Sunday for Martinique and a haulout Tuesday. 

 

What are your Sailing plans after the refit?

Good to hear from you

 

Porter

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:01 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: Dessalator Operational Question

greatketch@...
 

Just a guess, based on the key input that starting the AC first makes it work...

I'm betting the check valve on the AC water system is leaking and air is being sucked backwards through the centrifugal pump.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Dessalator Operational Question

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Paul Cooper <paul.cooper74@...>
 

FWIT, on my PSC I used running backstays when setting the staysail in strong winds so as not to tempt fate.  It certainly seems a bad idea not to, and negligent not to have them installed by a rigger, unless of course the inner forestay goes to the masthead.

At that time I knew nothing of Amels, or any boat that you could sail entirely from the cockpit for that matter, so scampering around on deck was "normal" and I didn't object to having to rig the running backs.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

Kent,

Iridium GO can most certainly do voice calls through the app on a phone or tablet...

Bill Kinney
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

Ian Park
 

For info.
Jean Collin is now in AMEL Hyeres. Albany has taken over in Le Marin.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96 - Guadaloupe


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

mfmcgovern@...
 

Duane,

I had both the genoa and ballooner sheaves replaced when I bought my SM this past July before I sailed it up to the Chesapeake.  If I were you, I would change them both while you are up there doing it.  The boat was in Le Marin Marina in Martinique when I bought her so I just had Amel Martinique order the sheaves for me.   I checked the copy of my invoice and unfortunately all it said was "réas de tete de mat" or "masthead sheaves" so I do not have the part number or size to give you.  I can tell you that they cost 29.10 Euro each.  I would contact Maud in La Rochelle or Jean Collin in Martinique.  I might still have the old ones on the boat.  I will have a look this weekend when I am there and will report back if I do.

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

It looks like your place in GA has minute for a little bit less than mine in FL.

 

As an FYI – we connect our Iridium phone directly to the ships computer and use it as a modem (not recommended with Windows 10 because of the auto-updates). Without the GO it is one less thing we have to worry about staying charged. Here’s a link if anyone is interested: http://www.outfittersatellite.com/blog/iridium-satellite-phone/windows-7-with-iridium-9555.html

 

Prior to us leaving port we will set up a schedule to receive emails of compressed weather files each morning of the trip. A sea/wind five day forecast for an area about half of the size of the Caribbean Sea will take about 5 minutes to download. This info is over-layed onto our NobelTec Time Zero navigation software which will then use the latest weather to calculate the fastest route to our destination – not always a straight line. Cost is about $8 for receiving this data. Since we are not frequently doing long overnight passages, this is the most cost effective way for us to receive forecast when in route.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

 

 

Hanspeter, 

I'm not sure what the "units" are that your plan quotes.  The vendors who sell Iridium products are bound by their contracts to sell at very similar prices.  I got 500 minutes of airtime for about $750 US.  It's good for one year, and you can be extended for a significant price.  If you sign up for the same plan before yours expires, the minutes you have left roll over to the new plan.  You can always add more minutes if you run out.

 

With the Iridium Go you can't talk (maybe through your cell phone ?). I use a phone with an added Iridium wifi gadget called AxcessPoint.  It sets up a wifi hot spot.  The laptop connects via wifi for downloading email and weather.  It works like the GO, only charging minutes when data is actually downloading.

Doing it this way I can also do voice calls.

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

Hanspeter, 
I'm not sure what the "units" are that your plan quotes.  The vendors who sell Iridium products are bound by their contracts to sell at very similar prices.  I got 500 minutes of airtime for about $750 US.  It's good for one year, and you can be extended for a significant price.  If you sign up for the same plan before yours expires, the minutes you have left roll over to the new plan.  You can always add more minutes if you run out.

With the Iridium Go you can't talk (maybe through your cell phone ?). I use a phone with an added Iridium wifi gadget called AxcessPoint.  It sets up a wifi hot spot.  The laptop connects via wifi for downloading email and weather.  It works like the GO, only charging minutes when data is actually downloading.
Doing it this way I can also do voice calls.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Bearing SM

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Gary,

I had uploaded the file to the Bow thruster Maintenance folder in the files area with your other guides are.
Unfortunately, it seems right click & copying file address didn't work on this occasion.(test link)

The issue reported is on behalf of a friend on SM. The setup is different on the A54.


Thanks

Thomas 
GARULFO A54#122
Saint Martin, FWI

 


On 10 April 2018 at 00:09, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Thomas:  I am glad you successfully replaced that bearing.  Unfortunately the pdf file you attached isn't accessible.  Please upload it to the files section of this site.  I believe there is a folder for bow thruster related files and if so please upload it to that folder. 


All the best, 

Gary Silver  
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000   #335