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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Mark Garver
 

Bill,

Good additional information. You do have to register the IridiumGo for the SOS button to go to the group in Texas that monitors SEND devices, who then makes contact with the appropriate Rescue Coordination Center (RCC) or other official SAR agency no matter where you are in the world. That group has prosecuted well over 7,000 rescues in nearly 170 countries from a variety of Satellite Emergency Notification Devices (SEND) as defined by the Radio Technical Commission for Maritime Services (RTCM). The group participates with RCC's around the world and annually hosts a variety of RCC's and other agencies to their facilities in Texas, north of Houston. What is great is that the SOS monitoring service is FREE, the cost of SOS monitoring and SAR coordination is covered by Iridium who pays the group in Texas for the monitoring.

Besides SOS, the company has a sister company that provides SAR memberships and MEDEVAC memberships, and many cruisers utilized the additional membership benefits, such as Rebecca on SV Brickhouse (not an AMEL lol). For instance, the SAR comes in various levels that reimburse the member for out of pocket SAR cots, up to $100k USD. The MEDEVAC is international and covers quite a bit for not a lot of money.

As Bill indicated, the device does have a dedicated SOS button so you can activate it directly from the device itself and your coordinates and other information such as Emergency Contacts, Vessel Type, Vessel Manufacturer, Hull Color, Length, EPIRB registration number, etc. are transmitted immediately to the International Emergency Rescue Coordination Center (IERCC), who immediately contact the responsible search and rescue (SAR) authority, and attempt two-way communication with you if you have your tablet or phone connected to the IridiumGO! to collect additional information about the nature of your emergency.

Lastly, not only is it great for both non-emergency communications and emergency communications, it pairs with my PredictWind Pro, gives me access to emails, other weather services, etc. In my mind it is a must have for a cruising boat, even if you only use the non-emergency features of the device.

Mark

S/V It's Good
SM105 S/V It's Good
Currently Gloucester, VA

On Apr 11, 2018, at 03:26 PM, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

And, there's more!


The IridiumGo also has a dedicated SOS function.  Even if you did not have access to a phone or tablet the IridiumGo on its own can send a distress call.  Without another device, you would not have two way communication, but you WOULD have a SOS message with location and with confirmation sent that would backup the EPIRB signal with the SAR authorities.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Comment on an older AMEL that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls

SV Perigee
 

Greetings all,

PERIGEE was the SM that went to the assistance of the circa late-70s sloop-rigged AMEL (we thought it was an EURO, but now we're not really sure), that lost the top half of it's mast about 350nm north of Antigua in November 2017.  [Reference made by Brent Cameron: Topic "Replacing standing rigging", 03-Jan'18]

The seas in the preceding 24 hours were less then 2m, sustained winds less than 15kt.  Passing squalls bringing higher gusts +10-15kt with confused seas, but not violent.  The evening prior, we saw distant lightning in the vicinity of were the dis-masted vessel would likely have been, but the conditions we experienced were not at all adverse.

The single-handing owner later reported that a shackle at the masthead had lost it's pin, bringing down the stay and then, in a squall, the mast.  The vessel received further fuel from other passers-by, and made it to it's original destination of St Maarten, where we met him and heard more detail.  The mast had by that time been re-built, and the owner has since left in his AMEL to sail the seas.

Hardy boat, hardy owner.

I hope that this update provides some clarity on the matter.

Fair winds,

David
Perigee, SM#396
St Maarten



 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

And, there's more!

The IridiumGo also has a dedicated SOS function.  Even if you did not have access to a phone or tablet the IridiumGo on its own can send a distress call.  Without another device, you would not have two way communication, but you WOULD have a SOS message with location and with confirmation sent that would backup the EPIRB signal with the SAR authorities.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Victron Auto Isolation Transformer

greatketch@...
 

Has anybody evaluated (or installed) the Victron auto isolation transfomer?

https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Isolation-Transformers-EN.pdf


I hadn't seriously looked at an isolation transformer for our Amel SM before, mostly because when I last looked at them the prices and complexity to allow multivoltage input put me off.  Since we don't spend much time plugged into marinas, I hadn't put it as a high priority.


The Victron looks like it was designed for an AMEL...  It can take EITHER 110V/32amp or 220V/16 amp input, selecting between them automatically, and produce 220V/16amp output (or 110V if you wanted..), and all for less than US$1000...  That, and the entire installation and operation manual is only 10 pages long.


Certainly the specs look great, and having a real isolation transformer is a plus over a galvanic isolator. And having wiring on the boat working exactly as designed even when plugged into 110V is a extra benefit.


It almost sounds like one of those "too good to be true" things, but Victron stuff has been top shelf in my experience so far...


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Porter McRoberts
 

Completely agree Steve. 
We have exactly the same and now working great with a good external antenna connection. 
Porter 
Ibis54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Actually Kent, it’s not difficult at all. We keep our phones sitting on the nav station where our Go is on its mount, and right next to EPIRB #2 (#1 is already in ditch bag). We would just grab the EPIRB, GO, both phones, and toss them in the ditch bag on the way out.. If you don’t have the 10 seconds it requires to do that, I’m guessing you are having such a bad day, it won’t matter anyway.. 

We really like the unlimited data, texting, and 150 minutes of talk time a month we get at a very reasonable cost. On our recently completed 5000 mile passage to Hawaii, it worked flawlessly, as it has for the previous 3 years. It is really nice to collect lots of weather data twice a day, call Mom and Dad once in a while to reassure them we are fine, txt with friends to pass the time on watch, and not worry about how much data you are using. 

Hope you guys are doing well, and sailing in some beautiful part of the world. 

Aloha,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Apr 11, 2018, at 03:06, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

Stephen Davis
 

Actually Kent, it’s not difficult at all. We keep our phones sitting on the nav station where our Go is on its mount, and right next to EPIRB #2 (#1 is already in ditch bag). We would just grab the EPIRB, GO, both phones, and toss them in the ditch bag on the way out. If you don’t have the 10 seconds it requires to do that, I’m guessing you are having such a bad day, it won’t matter anyway. 

We really like the unlimited data, texting, and 150 minutes of talk time a month we get at a very reasonable cost. On our recently completed 5000 mile passage to Hawaii, it worked flawlessly, as it has for the previous 3 years. It is really nice to collect lots of weather data twice a day, call Mom and Dad once in a while to reassure them we are fine, txt with friends to pass the time on watch, and not worry about how much data you are using. 

Hope you guys are doing well, and sailing in some beautiful part of the world. 

Aloha,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Apr 11, 2018, at 03:06, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Thank you for your thoughts and input.  I will dig deeper and let you know what I find.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Porter;
 
Can you please explain how you run the barnacle buster through the systems. I'm interested in the exact process you use. Also since this is an acid, does any one have any input on the potential down side?
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 

Hi Mark and Debbie. 

This is exercised induced angina!  I agree with Mohammad and Aty but also consider that 
in short, could you have calcium build up in the non Volvo raw water side?  I’d disconnect the water maker (mark of cream puffs sage insight) . Run acid (barnacle buster) through the ac/ refrigeration and Onan systems and see what comes out then flush.   I see improvement in our  systems when I run barnacle buster, things get colder more quickly. Use less power. And I also see lots of calcium come out!  

Minutes later....
Upon further reflection. I’d really have a close look at the raw water distributer and everything that connects the high pressure pump to the Seachest. 

Hope you guys are well. 

Porter. 
Ibis 54-152. 
Iles de saintes. 



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:53 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We have the 150 L/hr unit and can run all systems requiring raw water simultaneously without any issues. I am not aware of any design related performance issues with the raw water distribution manifolds.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of galacsea2000
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:38 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 

This does not address your question directly but may be of interest to this community. (FWIW)

Originally, Amel was reluctant to offer the 160 Lt/h, firstly because it was so expensive but also because their experience  over 16 years with the Super Maramu had shown the advantages of the 100 Lt/h duo system (220v & 24v)  that can run on Volvo alone as well as Onan.

If you are the only one to face this issue, then the previous comments are pertinent to finding a solution.

However, if other 54 with the same setup as yours, have experienced comparable problems, then it may be a design issue: To the best of my knowledge all 54 have the same "Xmas tree" (the horizontal pipe that distribute sea water to all consuming units (A/C, Anchor wash,...), except volvo & onan that have a direct connection to the water chest.

That pipe may not be big enough for your setup but it easy to change.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark & Bill.  I guess if I had to abandon ship and grabbed my Iridium phone, I could call for help.  Harder if you have to have a phone too.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

This does not address your question directly but may be of interest to this community. (FWIW)

Originally, Amel was reluctant to offer the 160 Lt/h, firstly because it was so expensive but also because their experience  over 16 years with the Super Maramu had shown the advantages of the 100 Lt/h duo system (220v & 24v)  that can run on Volvo alone as well as Onan.

If you are the only one to face this issue, then the previous comments are pertinent to finding a solution.

However, if other 54 with the same setup as yours, have experienced comparable problems, then it may be a design issue: To the best of my knowledge all 54 have the same "Xmas tree" (the horizontal pipe that distribute sea water to all consuming units (A/C, Anchor wash,...), except volvo & onan that have a direct connection to the water chest.

That pipe may not be big enough for your setup but it easy to change.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Porter McRoberts
 

Hi Mark and Debbie. 

This is exercised induced angina!  I agree with Mohammad and Aty but also consider that 
in short, could you have calcium build up in the non Volvo raw water side?  I’d disconnect the water maker (mark of cream puffs sage insight) . Run acid (barnacle buster) through the ac/ refrigeration and Onan systems and see what comes out then flush.   I see improvement in our  systems when I run barnacle buster, things get colder more quickly. Use less power. And I also see lots of calcium come out!  

Minutes later....
Upon further reflection. I’d really have a close look at the raw water distributer and everything that connects the high pressure pump to the Seachest. 

Hope you guys are well. 

Porter. 
Ibis 54-152. 
Iles de saintes. 



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:53 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Mark, much appreciated.

Duane


Re: Rebuild genoa furler yes or no

eric freedman
 

 

 

From: sailormon [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 9:56 PM
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: RE: Rebuild genoa furler yes or no

 

Sorry wrong subject

 

 

David,

I had the genoa furler serviced by Amel in Martinique in November.

The gears were fine however they replaced 5 bearings and 9 seals or the other way around. They also replaced the electrical wire. The cost was 1200- euros. However this was while Amel was changing my rigging.

The cost was about 10,000 euros.

You will have to pat the rigger to remove the headstay and the motor and then replace the grease in the foil and mount the motor again. I would strongly suggest you have this done. Removing the motor from the headstay is a serious project.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

Sorry - dropped by, but missed you.  Hope things are going well in Martinique.

 

Our standing rigging has arrived - finally.  If was made-up and shipped by ACMO in good time, but we opted to piggy-back our pallet into a container, that was scheduled for a good connection by sea-freight from Z-Spars in France to FKG here in SXM.  We saved a stack of money over air-freight (3 days), but somehow the container was delayed out of France by 4 weeks . . .   

 

Anyway, after we finish here, we will be skipping down-chain, with the mandatory stop in AMEL HQ in MQ - for a little AMEL-specific spares & service, and maybe a rig-check.  Still pondering whether to service the Genoa Furler there.

 

Anyway, hope to catch up somewhere down the track.

 

Best,

 

David

Perigee, SM#396

Back in St Maarten, after Easter in St Baarths

 

 

On Thursday, 22 March 2018, 7:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

David!  

Hello. We’re over in the IWW Marina. Provisioning and deciding on new sails. 

Looks like you’re wearing out your Visa card!!

Went to FKG yesterday. Looks like a serious outfit!!

 

What wind gen are you thinking?  

 

Please stop by if you’re  around. 

We leave probably sat or Sunday for Martinique and a haulout Tuesday. 

 

What are your Sailing plans after the refit?

Good to hear from you

 

Porter

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:01 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Brass;
 
Each of the systems you are running together require a healthy source of raw water to run. At the end of the season we run fresh water through all systems. We run each system individually so we can keep up with water demand. We accomplish this by shutting off the main sea water valve, removing the sea chest cover and using a 3/4 inch hose to supply the fresh water. We can run all systems individually with just one 3/4 inch hose at full flow. However, the Volvo running at idle requires more water than the single hose can provide. Therefore we use two hoses and by reducing one down to half flow, we can keep a constant water level in the sea chest.
 
The point being that the Volvo at 1250 RPMs (much more water requirement than at idle), the A/C and water maker running together will require a large flow of raw water. I would start by looking at anything that could restrict this flow. From the raw water valve not opening completely when you turn the valve, a rubber supply hose failure on the inside, a kink in the line, etc. I would also try shutting off the main sea water chest valve, remove the raw water supply to the LP Dessalator pump and turn on the sea water valve to see what kind of flow you are getting to the LP pump.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Operational Question

 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: Dessalator Operational Question

greatketch@...
 

Just a guess, based on the key input that starting the AC first makes it work...

I'm betting the check valve on the AC water system is leaking and air is being sucked backwards through the centrifugal pump.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Dessalator Operational Question

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 


We have an A54 with a 230v 160 LPH Dessalator, water cooled air conditioning, and a Volvo 110 HP engine. 

 

1) When operating the Onan, water maker, and the Volvo above approximately 1250 RPM the low-pressure gauge on the water maker drops from 20 psi to negative 10” hg, the high-pressure pump starves, and the water maker shuts down.

 

2) When operating the Onan & water maker everything operates correctly IF the air-conditioning is started first.  If the water maker is started before the air conditioner when the water maker is started the low-pressure pump pressure drops and the water maker shuts down due to low-output pressure on the high-pressure pump.

 

All tests were run with a clean sea strainer and a clean raw water intake pipe, it was scrubbed with a round brush that reaches through the hull.

 

What has been your experience?  Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68

Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind with staysail

Paul Cooper <paul.cooper74@...>
 

FWIT, on my PSC I used running backstays when setting the staysail in strong winds so as not to tempt fate.  It certainly seems a bad idea not to, and negligent not to have them installed by a rigger, unless of course the inner forestay goes to the masthead.

At that time I knew nothing of Amels, or any boat that you could sail entirely from the cockpit for that matter, so scampering around on deck was "normal" and I didn't object to having to rig the running backs.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] satellite service providers

greatketch@...
 

Kent,

Iridium GO can most certainly do voice calls through the app on a phone or tablet...

Bill Kinney
Great Guana Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: Jib Halyard Sheave

Ian Park
 

For info.
Jean Collin is now in AMEL Hyeres. Albany has taken over in Le Marin.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96 - Guadaloupe