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Re: Antal ball bearings
mfmcgovern@...
Eric,
Believe it or not, the ball bearing in the Antal Main Boom Car are 1/4 inch (0.25 inch) in OD. Quite odd for an Italian made part! I had to replace the shackle on the car due to a crack so decided to measure one for you. See the attached pic. Mark SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <ericmeury@...> wrote : Not on the boat right now. but does anyone know the size of the ball bearing size of the Antal boom car/traveler. I need to replace mine.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Thanks, James,
You may have seen my exchange with Bill. I think I may be getting somewhere.
We've always had a great experience with our Autoprop which is spinning freely. I have been amazed that it was able to work at all on a couple of occasions when we have left the boat in foul waters, once in Brasil and once in Spain. Both times you couldn't see any metal for mussels, but we still managed to limp along at 3-4 knots to a cleaning place. In Brasil, which has a lot of shark attacks that are kept out of the news, that meant spending too much time under the boat about 10 miles offshore. You would be amazed how quickly you can clean a prop.
I hope to post a happy ending to this story soon.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 29 April 2018 16:09:35 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos....... Ian and Judy, Sorry, I don’t have the same engine but hopefully someone else will answer that question for you.
In general, if your engine is reaching your normal full throttle loaded rpm in neutral but you are 700 short under load of what is normal, either the load is higher than it used to be or the power output has dropped for some reason. You indicate
that the prop is perfectly clean but perhaps it is not auto pitching properly for some reason? There has been a lot of discussion on the Auto-prop (which I do not have on my boat) on the forum that you could bring up by searching.
Best of luck and I hope that you get more help with this problem,
James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Thanks. That's really useful. I find that in neutral it is now idling at 800 revs, which seems high; more importantly, it revs above 3,000--and that's without the throttle flat out.
Looking rather as though the pump now heads the list of usual suspects. Ouch. Still, just about everything else has been rebuilt , so I guess it was feeling left out.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 29 April 2018 16:31:11 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... Ian, Mechanical diesel injection pumps are actually all governor controlled. The throttle is actually controlling the setting of the speed governor, (sometimes called a "speed regulator") which in turn controls the volume of fuel delivered by the injection
pump to deliver the amount of fuel needed to run the engine at the commanded speed.
On Bosch injections systems (like on the Volvo) the governor/regulator is internal to the injector pump, and like all the internal parts of the injection pump, it tends to be highly reliable. But if an engine can not control
its speed under no load, it is a likely candidate for a problem.
On some engines the governor is a separate device. I did once work on an engine that had a separate governor that was badly clogged up with emulsified oil when water got into the
crankcase... a very unhappy story...
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Palmetto Point, Eleuthera, Bahamas
---In amelyachtowners@..., <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote : Bill,
Do you have the 78hp Volvo with a governor ? Can you tell me how the governor works--and what might upset it ?
Ian
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
greatketch@...
Ian,
Mechanical diesel injection pumps are actually all governor controlled. The throttle is actually controlling the setting of the speed governor, (sometimes called a "speed regulator") which in turn controls the volume of fuel delivered by the injection pump to deliver the amount of fuel needed to run the engine at the commanded speed. On Bosch injections systems (like on the Volvo) the governor/regulator is internal to the injector pump, and like all the internal parts of the injection pump, it tends to be highly reliable. But if an engine can not control its speed under no load, it is a likely candidate for a problem. On some engines the governor is a separate device. I did once work on an engine that had a separate governor that was badly clogged up with emulsified oil when water got into the crankcase... a very unhappy story... Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Palmetto Point, Eleuthera, Bahamas ---In amelyachtowners@..., <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote : Bill, Do you have the 78hp Volvo with a governor ? Can you tell me how the governor works--and what might upset it ? Ian
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
James Alton
Ian and Judy,
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Sorry, I don’t have the same engine but hopefully someone else will answer that question for you. In general, if your engine is reaching your normal full throttle loaded rpm in neutral but you are 700 short under load of what is normal, either the load is higher than it used to be or the power output has dropped for some reason. You indicate that the prop is perfectly clean but perhaps it is not auto pitching properly for some reason? There has been a lot of discussion on the Auto-prop (which I do not have on my boat) on the forum that you could bring up by searching. Best of luck and I hope that you get more help with this problem, James SV Sueño Maramu #220
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Re: NMEA 0183 wire color?
Duane Siegfri
Daniel,
Thanks for your reply. So A = Positive and B = Negative. It can't hurt anything, if it doesn't work then I'll just reverse them. I was thinking in terms of feeding the S3g Autopilot Computer the Apparent Wind Angle, did you also hook up the NMEA0183 "out" from the S3g? I can't think of anything the network would want from the course computer. Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi James, ( or anyone else )
If you are on board and have the same 75hp Volvo as I have, can you put on full revs in neutral and let me know what revs you reach ?
Thanks,
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 28 April 2018 16:23:44 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos....... Ian, The diesel engine governors that I am familiar with mechanically limit the engine RPM to a preset level by reducing the throttle setting. If you are getting full revs. in neutral but not under load, I doubt that the governor is your problem.
I am sure that you will get more specific help here from others with the possible causes of your low revs.
Best of luck,
James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
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Steaming/Deck light Replacement
On the way to Bonaire, the combo steaming/deck light decided not to play anymore and self destructed. Looking at the forum, it appears there were a couple of models used by Amel.
I have the original combo unit with three pop-rivets on each side. Has anyone replaced this????
I think this is what I need but can’t find info on the hole drilling for the mounting: http://www.aquaintl.com/masthead__foredeck_combination_3108113000.html
Can anyone confirm this is the unit and that the holes on the new unit will align to the holes in the mast for the pop rivets?
Many thanks.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Bonaire www.creampuff.us
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 0183 wire color?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
James,
Thanks. The mystery continues, but we have a mechanic recommended here so we will see what he has to say about it.
Incidentally, there is a Volvo customer help line to which you can email an issue. I've done that. Silence so far.
Ian
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 28 April 2018 16:23:44 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos....... Ian, The diesel engine governors that I am familiar with mechanically limit the engine RPM to a preset level by reducing the throttle setting. If you are getting full revs. in neutral but not under load, I doubt that the governor is your problem.
I am sure that you will get more specific help here from others with the possible causes of your low revs.
Best of luck,
James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
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Re: Jib car removal
rettirc@...
Before I get the grinder out, I am going to get an impact driver to see if I can take 4-5 bolts out and "bend" the track during removal. I shall keep you posted.
I ordered the parts from Antal in Italy and it was a delight dealing with them. I also ordered new springs to hold up the blocks along with B. Bearings for several sheet blocks. About 70 euro including shipping quite reasonable.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib car removal
Stephen Davis
Thanks for the info Pat. I do know there were 2 lengths of jib cars, but also don’t know when Amel switched to the slightly longer ones. I suspect it was after both of our boats were built. I had no idea on how I would ever get the cars off until I saw Gary Silver’s brilliant idea of cutting the track. Good luck on your project. Steve Aloha SM 72
On Apr 28, 2018, at 12:33, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib car removal
Patrick McAneny
Steve, I got this from Gary it is , G30-40A PVC inserts 160mm long $12 each . My boat is a little younger than yours , I assumed my cars are the same as Gary's although I ordered without confirming this. I forget the hull # on Gary's boat.
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Pat
SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2018 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib car removal Hi Pat,
I''m about to tackle the same job on my jib cars, and wondered if you had the part numbers of the bearings you purchased from Euro Marine.On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 1:02 AM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering stiffness (but not from rudder) ?
smiles bernard
Thanks for this Graham and great to talk earlier
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Looks like I’ll be dismantling the rack and pinion and trying to lube the troublesome cable I’ve also sent an email to Amel on the very slim chance they still have a few buried in stores somewhere or as you suggested the Super Maramu cables and cable ends are the same just longer! Failing that I might post a separate thread on the forum to see if anyone has had experience of sourcing new cables. Thanks again for your help Miles
On 28 Apr 2018, at 18:19, grahamjohnston42@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: NMEA 0183 wire color?
danielmfrey63@...
Duane I connected the yellow wire of my Zeus 2 to the + of my S2G. And the blue wire of my Z2 to the - of the S2G. Best - Daniel, SN64
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NMEA 0183 wire color?
Duane Siegfri
I plan to connect the NMEA TX wires from my B&G Zeus 3 MFD to the Raymarine S3g Course Computer. It's a bit confusing though, since B&G outputs to TX_A and TX_B and Raymarine has NMEA0183 connections noted "+" and "-". I have one NMEA 0183 reference and they do not use + and - for wire designation since apparently there is no battery negative wire in the system. Does anyone know if the TX_A wire connect to the "+" or "-" terminal on the S3g? Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering stiffness (but not from rudder) ?
GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
Hi Miles,
I stripped down your steering when in Lanzarote. The rack is perfect and the problem is that one of the cables is stiff. I left you a message on your mobile earlier if you would like more info. Graham
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib car removal
Stephen Davis
Hi Pat, I''m about to tackle the same job on my jib cars, and wondered if you had the part numbers of the bearings you purchased from Euro Marine.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 1:02 AM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
James Alton
Ian,
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The diesel engine governors that I am familiar with mechanically limit the engine RPM to a preset level by reducing the throttle setting. If you are getting full revs. in neutral but not under load, I doubt that the governor is your problem. I am sure that you will get more specific help here from others with the possible causes of your low revs. Best of luck, James SV Sueño Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Do you have the 78hp Volvo with a governor ? Can you tell me how the governor works--and what might upset it ?
Ian
From: Ian & Judy
Sent: 27 April 2018 09:23:23 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... Thanks, Bill,
Alas....in neutral the revs do what they oughta do.
I will have to risk trying the local Volvo agent.
Incidentally, to anyone who has had Volvo work done near Athens, does Mantalas Kyriakos have a decent reputation ? Anyone else ?
Ian
Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens, Greece From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 26 April 2018 19:52:36 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... Ian, Will the engine run at 2800 rpm unloaded (in netural)?
If NOT, the answer is not fuel starvation (because that would take very little fuel) but a possible problem with the injection pump or speed governor.
If YES, then... I am not sure...
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Somewhere around Eleuthera, Bahamas
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