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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......

greatketch@...
 

Ryan,  

This Volvo engine is a bit of a strange beast...  

Most diesels come with VERY specific instructions from the manufacturer to run them at a fairly narrow RPM range at full throttle.  Not so with Volvo and this engine.  The manual even suggests that selecting a prop that "limits" the top PRM might have advantages...  

This is what Amel did.  They selected the props for these engines so they run lower at lower rotational speeds.  And get a lot of benefits from it. Longer life, quieter operation, more efficiency from the lower speed prop... And a few downsides (anybody want to come clean my sooty hull?)

The engine itself was made by Perkins.  They specify it to run at 4500 at full throttle/full load, which seems a pretty good match for the 5150 RPM "no-load" maximum set in the injection pump.

Unlike a non-fuel injected gasoline engine, a diesel won't normally "run away" at full throttle without a load since there is a governor as part of the injection pump.

I haven't come up with any reason I want to run this test, since the top speed is not an adjustment on the injection pump that should be fiddled with away from the test bed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Palmetto Point, Eleuthera, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming/Deck light Replacement

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Guessing Game

Ian Park
 

Fred
I had to do it for real this season. I just picked up a piece of 10mm rope lying in the locker, sat down in front of the genoa furler and popped it in place and pulled. I didn’t have too long a piece of rope, probably about 4 or 5 metres. It ran most of the sail in quite easily and I was able to thread the tail of the rope back in while the last bit of rope was going out so had a continuous furl.
I dare say in a very strong wind it might be a bit tougher, but one of the mast winches and a longer rope should see the job done. Best to find a calm day on anchor or in a marina, haul the genoa out, pull the pin up and give it a go. Had to do the same with the main outhaul very recently and it was (not surprisingly) straightforward. On both occasions it was sticking brushes - the second time I used the technique on an earlier post, got the lump hammer out and tapped round the edge of the motor. It started working again. Thanks whoever suggested that one! 
Tomorrow’s job is to sort the brushes out!!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 30 Apr 2018, at 11:48, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Fred,

this is the rope you use to lift the outboard engine from its support on the guard rail:
Run both shackled ends of the rope through the open pulleys at mizzen boom end, and tie the loop of the rope to the handling halyard on mizzen mast starboard (at spreaders).
Then tie the shackles to the harness of your outboard engine. That's a good way to give it to the people in the dinghy.

Have a good practise.

Olivier

On Monday, April 30, 2018, 11:10:13 AM GMT+2, scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi,


Amel smartness has no limit !

I would like to open a new chapter of this game for our experts if they can help at identifying this rope.

There are 2 shackles and quite special design so I thought that it is here since the launching.

Picture attached : 

 

Additionally I would be grateful, if someone can share a picture + characteristics of the genuine forestay rope for manually furling the genoa.


Fred

S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375 currently Bundaberg AU


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......

Ryan Meador
 

Bill K,

Am I understanding correctly that your motor/manual claims it is safe to operate your engine up to 5150 RPM in neutral at wide open throttle?  I was just playing around with mine the other day, trying to ensure the turbo was working, and I didn't dare go above 4500 RPM.  It would be great to know I'm not going to break anything by going higher (assuming my engine has the same code).

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Dieter,


 I haven't see this gadget before--I had always assumed that a  tacho would be accurate.


My mechanic comes soon. His first thoughts are that it could be the fuel pump rather than the injection pump.

We will see.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Zea Marina, Piraeus


From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'INUS Busch' inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 30 April 2018 11:09:00
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
 


Hi,

here is what I did in order to control the installed tachometer: I bought this instrument

https://www.conrad.de/de/drehzahlmesser-voltcraft-dt-10l-werksstandard-ohne-zertifikat-122624.html

 

You only have to fix the delivered reflective mark on a turning part of the motor and via the laser of the instrument you

get contactless the correct rotational speed. Its very easy and I found out that I had to adjust my tachometer.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135

 

Von: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2018 23:36
An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

According to my shop manual the maximum no-load speed is coded into the "setting code" on the injection pump.

 

The manual says:  

"A typical setting code is 2643H000CE/1/3200  In this example the maximum speed is 3200 rpm."

The setting code on my engine is 2643H058BE/1/5150  which would indicate the the correct no-load maximum speed is 5150 RPM.  

 

The code is stamped into a label on the side of the injection pump...  like the (hopefully) attached photo.

 

If yours is the same, I am not sure I see the problem yet..

 

Whenever you are checking the rotational speed of the engine for critical adjustments, be sure you do not trust the installed tachometer.  They can be wildly inaccurate.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Racor filter

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Stefano,


I have twin Racors and have used both 5 and 10 micron without a problem. Engineers have told me that 5 is unnecessary and would put a strain on the pump but I think other Amel users have used 5.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Piraeus


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 April 2018 15:54:21
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Racor filter
 
Dear SM owners, my lady is hull 185 with Volvo engine. She was born in 1997 with single fuel filter and I will upgrade with a double Racor  filter. I received different offer, different option like 75/1000 with cartridges 30 micron or 75/900/MA. I understood that if I put 10 micron I will stop more dirty but I have no ideas if I will reduce the flow of diesel to the engine. Any one of you did the same modification, which model and which cartridge are you using with Volvo TMD 22B
Thanks for your experience

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Magra river  Italy


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, Dieter,


 I haven't see this gadget before--I had always assumed that a  tacho would be accurate.


My mechanic comes soon. His first thoughts are that it could be the fuel pump rather than the injection pump.

We will see.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Zea Marina, Piraeus


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'INUS Busch' inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 April 2018 11:09:00
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
 


Hi,

here is what I did in order to control the installed tachometer: I bought this instrument

https://www.conrad.de/de/drehzahlmesser-voltcraft-dt-10l-werksstandard-ohne-zertifikat-122624.html

 

You only have to fix the delivered reflective mark on a turning part of the motor and via the laser of the instrument you

get contactless the correct rotational speed. Its very easy and I found out that I had to adjust my tachometer.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135

 

Von: amelyachtowners@...
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2018 23:36
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

According to my shop manual the maximum no-load speed is coded into the "setting code" on the injection pump.

 

The manual says:  

"A typical setting code is 2643H000CE/1/3200  In this example the maximum speed is 3200 rpm."

The setting code on my engine is 2643H058BE/1/5150  which would indicate the the correct no-load maximum speed is 5150 RPM.  

 

The code is stamped into a label on the side of the injection pump...  like the (hopefully) attached photo.

 

If yours is the same, I am not sure I see the problem yet..

 

Whenever you are checking the rotational speed of the engine for critical adjustments, be sure you do not trust the installed tachometer.  They can be wildly inaccurate.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

 



Racor filter

Stefano Biffi
 

Dear SM owners, my lady is hull 185 with Volvo engine. She was born in 1997 with single fuel filter and I will upgrade with a double Racor filter. I received different offer, different option like 75/1000 with cartridges 30 micron or 75/900/MA. I understood that if I put 10 micron I will stop more dirty but I have no ideas if I will reduce the flow of diesel to the engine. Any one of you did the same modification, which model and which cartridge are you using with Volvo TMD 22B
Thanks for your experience

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Magra river Italy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Guessing Game [1 Attachment]

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Fred,

this is the rope you use to lift the outboard engine from its support on the guard rail:
Run both shackled ends of the rope through the open pulleys at mizzen boom end, and tie the loop of the rope to the handling halyard on mizzen mast starboard (at spreaders).
Then tie the shackles to the harness of your outboard engine. That's a good way to give it to the people in the dinghy.

Have a good practise.

Olivier

On Monday, April 30, 2018, 11:10:13 AM GMT+2, scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi,


Amel smartness has no limit !

I would like to open a new chapter of this game for our experts if they can help at identifying this rope.

There are 2 shackles and quite special design so I thought that it is here since the launching.

Picture attached : 

 

Additionally I would be grateful, if someone can share a picture + characteristics of the genuine forestay rope for manually furling the genoa.


Fred

S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375 currently Bundaberg AU


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel font

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

You are correct. We purchased them from Amel. They are not always in stock. I had to check a few times. Very easy to remove the old ones and replace.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 9:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel font

 

 

Seckin,

 

Try SAV"at"amel.fr. I remember someone recently saying that they bought some from Amel.


Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:06 PM, seckinbar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear All;

I wonder how can I find the AMEL font in the side of mu supermaramu?

I need to renew the old stickers.
Thanks in advance
Seckin Barlas
S/Y Hayat

 

Re: Guessing Game

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Fred,

That's the factory supplied line for hoisting your dinghy outboard. The spliced eye attaches to the lifting halyard on the port side of the mizzen. Then the two legs with the shackles go over the mizzen boom, one on each side and run over the cheek blocks at the end of the boom. 

The sling piece goes onto the engine first. Then.swing the boom out over the dinghy engine and lower and attach the shackles of the lifting line. Finally, run the halyard to a winch (the main sheet winch works fine), then hoist the engine and swing it either to the rail mount or into the aft locker.

Rather than using the engine rope sling, I've installed eye-bolts on either side of my outboard just below the cover so I can simply attach the shackles directly, without fussing with a sling.

Regarding the furling line for the genoa, I'm not sure a dedicated line was supplied, but on our SN the balooner sheet is the right size. Run it around the furler and then through the foreguy blocks and aft to a winch.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <scentstone@...> wrote :

Hi,


Amel smartness has no limit !

I would like to open a new chapter of this game for our experts if they can help at identifying this rope.

There are 2 shackles and quite special design so I thought that it is here since the launching.

Picture attached : 

 

Additionally I would be grateful, if someone can share a picture + characteristics of the genuine forestay rope for manually furling the genoa.


Fred

S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375 currently Bundaberg AU


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel font

 

Seckin,

Try SAV"at"amel.fr. I remember someone recently saying that they bought some from Amel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:06 PM, seckinbar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear All;

I wonder how can I find the AMEL font in the side of mu supermaramu?

I need to renew the old stickers.
Thanks in advance
Seckin Barlas
S/Y Hayat



Amel font

Seckin Barlas
 

Dear All;

I wonder how can I find the AMEL font in the side of mu supermaramu?

I need to renew the old stickers.
Thanks in advance
Seckin Barlas
S/Y Hayat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... [1 Attachment]

INUS - BUSCH
 

Hi,

here is what I did in order to control the installed tachometer: I bought this instrument

https://www.conrad.de/de/drehzahlmesser-voltcraft-dt-10l-werksstandard-ohne-zertifikat-122624.html

 

You only have to fix the delivered reflective mark on a turning part of the motor and via the laser of the instrument you

get contactless the correct rotational speed. Its very easy and I found out that I had to adjust my tachometer.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Dieter

Fal-lera Sharki #135

 

Von: amelyachtowners@...
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2018 23:36
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

According to my shop manual the maximum no-load speed is coded into the "setting code" on the injection pump.

 

The manual says:  

"A typical setting code is 2643H000CE/1/3200  In this example the maximum speed is 3200 rpm."

The setting code on my engine is 2643H058BE/1/5150  which would indicate the the correct no-load maximum speed is 5150 RPM.  

 

The code is stamped into a label on the side of the injection pump...  like the (hopefully) attached photo.

 

If yours is the same, I am not sure I see the problem yet..

 

Whenever you are checking the rotational speed of the engine for critical adjustments, be sure you do not trust the installed tachometer.  They can be wildly inaccurate.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

 

Guessing Game

scentstone
 

Hi,


Amel smartness has no limit !

I would like to open a new chapter of this game for our experts if they can help at identifying this rope.

There are 2 shackles and quite special design so I thought that it is here since the launching.

Picture attached : 

 

Additionally I would be grateful, if someone can share a picture + characteristics of the genuine forestay rope for manually furling the genoa.


Fred

S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375 currently Bundaberg AU


Re: Steaming/Deck light Replacement

scentstone
 

Hi Mark,

I did it recently and after sales at Amel were really cooperative.
You can write at sav(at)amel.com and ask for Maud but tell her that Maxime did the purchasing for us and is updated about that.
Following our experience, it requires some time for the delivery but the part is the exact one which was destroyed during the pacific passage (was mostly worn by sun and salt after years)

I hope it helps.

Fred

S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos....... [1 Attachment]

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks , Bill , 

It’s a brand new tacho , 300 hours . 
( maybe made in China ! )

Ian


On 30 Apr 2018, at 00:36, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

According to my shop manual the maximum no-load speed is coded into the "setting code" on the injection pump.

The manual says:  
"A typical setting code is 2643H000CE/1/3200  In this example the maximum speed is 3200 rpm."
The setting code on my engine is 2643H058BE/1/5150  which would indicate the the correct no-load maximum speed is 5150 RPM.  

The code is stamped into a label on the side of the injection pump...  like the (hopefully) attached photo.

If yours is the same, I am not sure I see the problem yet..

Whenever you are checking the rotational speed of the engine for critical adjustments, be sure you do not trust the installed tachometer.  They can be wildly inaccurate.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie

Re: NMEA 0183 wire color?

danielmfrey63@...
 

Duane

My S2G is only getting "orders"... or in NMEA terms, it is only a listener, not a talker.

Best - Daniel

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......

James Alton
 

Ian and Judy,

   I am really glad to hear that you feel you are making progress with solving your engine problem.  I think that we are certainly lucky to have knowledgeable and helpful people like Bill Kinney on this forum!  He has taught me a lot and I always enjoy reading his posts.  Do let me know when you cure the engine problem.

   My wife and I should be headed up the Adriatic in about 3 months so who knows maybe we will cross paths.  It would certainly be interesting to hear more about your experiences in Brasil.

Best,

James 
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
Arbatax, Sardinia

On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks, James,

You may have seen my exchange with Bill. I think I may be getting somewhere.

We've always had a great experience with our Autoprop  which is spinning freely.  I have been amazed that it was able to work at all on a couple of occasions when we have left the boat in foul waters, once in Brasil and once in Spain.  Both times you couldn't see any metal for mussels, but we still managed to limp along at 3-4 knots to a cleaning place. In Brasil, which has a lot of shark attacks that are kept out of the news, that meant spending too much time under the boat about 10 miles offshore. You would be amazed how quickly you can clean a prop.

I hope to post a happy ending to this story soon.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 29 April 2018 16:09:35
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
 


Ian and Judy,

   Sorry, I don’t have the same engine but hopefully someone else will answer that question for you.  

   In general, if your engine is reaching your normal full throttle loaded rpm in neutral but you are 700 short under load of what is normal, either the load is higher than it used to be or the power output has dropped for some reason.  You indicate that the prop is perfectly clean but perhaps it is not auto pitching properly for some reason?  There has been a lot of discussion on the Auto-prop (which I do not have on my boat) on the forum that you could bring up by searching.  

Best of luck and I hope that you get more help with this problem,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

  
On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi James, ( or anyone else )

If you are on board and have the same 75hp  Volvo as I have, can you put on full revs in neutral and let me know what revs you reach ? 

Thanks,

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 28 April 2018 16:23:44
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvos.......
 


Ian,

 The diesel engine governors that I am familiar with mechanically limit the engine RPM to a preset level by reducing the throttle setting.  If you are getting full revs. in neutral but not under load, I doubt that the governor is your problem.  I am sure that you will get more specific help here from others with the possible causes of your low revs.

Best of luck,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220 
On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill,

  Do you have the 78hp Volvo with a governor ?  Can you tell me how the governor works--and what might upset it ?

Ian

From: Ian & Judy <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: 27 April 2018 09:23:23
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......
 
Thanks, Bill,

 Alas....in neutral the revs do what they oughta do.

I will have to risk  trying the local Volvo agent.

Incidentally, to anyone who has had Volvo work done near Athens, does Mantalas Kyriakos have a decent reputation ?      Anyone else ?

Ian

Pen Azen, SM 302, Athens, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 26 April 2018 19:52:36
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos........
 


Ian,

Will the engine run at 2800 rpm unloaded (in netural)?

If NOT, the answer is not fuel starvation (because that would take very little fuel) but a possible problem with the injection pump or speed governor.

If YES, then...  I am not sure...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Somewhere around Eleuthera, Bahamas












Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming/Deck light Replacement

Dan Carlson
 

Hi Mark, I believe that David Vogle on Perigee just replaced his. So you might want to reach out to him.  It looked like the model you posted.  He did have the luxury of having his stick down for new standing rigging.  

My lens for the steaming light hit the deck in Statia 2 weeks ago. Three pieces on the deck and the rest (4 pieces) were 5 meters under the boat.  I looked up the replacement, saw the cost and strapped on my mask and fins and dove into the crystal clear water.  A bit of glue and the puzzle went together.  It's not pretty, but it's still working!  

We will be headed to Bonaire in a week or two.

Cheers, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm #287.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 9:48 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

On the way to Bonaire, the combo steaming/deck light decided not to play anymore and self destructed. Looking at the forum, it appears there were a couple of models used by Amel.

 

I have the original combo unit with three pop-rivets on each side. Has anyone replaced this????

 

I think this is what I need but can’t find info on the hole drilling for the mounting: http://www.aquaintl.com/masthead__foredeck_combination_3108113000.html

 

Can anyone confirm this is the unit and that the holes on the new unit will align to the holes in the mast for the pop rivets?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvos.......

greatketch@...
 

According to my shop manual the maximum no-load speed is coded into the "setting code" on the injection pump.

The manual says:  
"A typical setting code is 2643H000CE/1/3200  In this example the maximum speed is 3200 rpm."
The setting code on my engine is 2643H058BE/1/5150  which would indicate the the correct no-load maximum speed is 5150 RPM.  

The code is stamped into a label on the side of the injection pump...  like the (hopefully) attached photo.

If yours is the same, I am not sure I see the problem yet..

Whenever you are checking the rotational speed of the engine for critical adjustments, be sure you do not trust the installed tachometer.  They can be wildly inaccurate.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie