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Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number

kurt.wetzel@...
 

Dear All
The gearbox of the boom on my Amel 54 is broken. Can anyone provide me with the part and fabrication numbers?
Thank you very much
Kurt and Junita
SY Hemera
Flag Malta
MMSI 215000349
Current Location Greece, Lavrion



Re: Two questions

Alan Leslie
 

In the NMEA 2000 scheme there is a DRAIN wire and a SHIELD.
The recommendation is that both should be connected to GROUND at ONE POINT ONLY.
Problems have been caused it seems by earth loops where the drain and / or shield have been grounded at more than one point.
On most boats the ground connection is connected to battery -ve which maybe the cause of these earth loop problems as they now effectively have multiple ground connections.
Amel boats do not have a connection between battery -ve and ground.
So on our boats, my instinct tells me that the drain and ground should be connected to ships ground to eliminate interference problems from RF....from VHF or SSB for example 
However if the NMEA 2000 system has issues as you have said, then disconnecting that ground connection is not going to harm anything....and if there are issues it may be worth disconnecting the drain or ground from ships ground to see if either makes any difference. In any event you won't damage any equipment by doing that.
Just what I think...I may be wrong...it has been known !
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Malumu Bay, Beqa


Re: Two questions

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Paul, we changed all electronics to raymarine 4 years ago. I removed the ground after having strange behaviour of the system, is running fine now since 4 years without ground. Was in contact with raymrine to find out what the problem was and in the end they recommended not to ground it...

Herbert, KALI MERA, SN120


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two questions

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you for confirming 12v
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two questions

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Paul,

All Raymarine/Autohelm drive clutches are 12v. I’m guessing they give you the 12/24 option on the course computer in case you are using a non Ray drive. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM #72
Hawaii

On May 31, 2018, at 18:51, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We we are in the process of substituting the old B&G instruments with Raymarine instruments.

The new NMEA 2000 backbone system should be grounded. You who have NMEA 2000 how did you ground your system?

We are also putting in a new modern computer for the old and still well working Autohelm autopilots. If I remember right the clutch for both the linear and rotar drive is on 12 v and not 24 v. Anyone who can confirm that clutch should be 12 v

Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Two questions

Paul Osterberg
 

We we are in the process of substituting the old B&G instruments with Raymarine instruments.

The new NMEA 2000 backbone system should be grounded. You who have NMEA 2000 how did you ground your system?

We are also putting in a new modern computer for the old and still well working Autohelm autopilots. If I remember right the clutch for both the linear and rotar drive is on 12 v and not 24 v. Anyone who can confirm that clutch should be 12 v

Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I used a high quality single pot spar varnish to do those trims around the overhead hatches. Looks good and matches the original.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 01 June 2018 at 11:17 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I finally got the wood trim off of the cabin sides around the porch lights. They were just stuck with copious amounts of what appears to be clear silicone. I am in the process of taking all of the old finish off and will need to re-seal the wood and finish it. I would like to use the same finish that a male used at the time of the original build. Does anyone know what finish was used? I’m guessing it’s a high tech two part polyurethane. Do you know if any stain was used?

Joel?
Olivier?

Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
St Michaels MD


 


 


Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows

karkauai
 

I finally got the wood trim off of the cabin sides around the porch lights. They were just stuck with copious amounts of what appears to be clear silicone. I am in the process of taking all of the old finish off and will need to re-seal the wood and finish it. I would like to use the same finish that a male used at the time of the original build. Does anyone know what finish was used? I’m guessing it’s a high tech two part polyurethane. Do you know if any stain was used?

Joel?
Olivier?

Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
St Michaels MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

johnericmorton@...
 

Hi Joel

Thank you for your prompt reply and guidance.

There are very few Amels in NZ. I don't think the Surveyor had ever seen an Amel before.......

In this case, I've learnt that it's a bit more complex than a normal condition survey at time of purchase because Alin has in mind possibly taking out paying customers for sailing / diving trips. This means that Wanderer will need to be put "in survey" to the satisfaction of the relevant NZ agency. This is a very rigorous process - any boat going "into survey" must meet the current NZ requirements for design, construction, electrical wiring regulations etc as if the boat is a newly built NZ boat.   Hence there are "norms" such as design checks and approval and dropping down the keel for inspection of the bolts for survey as well as probably pulling out the prop shaft to check condition. All easy to do if the boat is under construction in NZ.  :)-    There is a process for applying for exemptions to these "in survey" requirements.

Fortunately the Electrical Inspector and the Surveyor were impressed with the design, overall quality, fit out, and condition. Good documentation (manuals and the standard drawings / plans) are a big plus for their design checks and their approval for "in survey".

It seems the Surveyor is happy - the results of his  "deck tapping" seems to be advisory only, not a requirement for putting Wanderer "in survey" as a requirement for use for commercial reward.

As there seems to be no history of deck de-lamination issues with Amels, this may be prove to be a red herring, the local Surveyor mentioned possible minor air gap voids at time of construction?    

Perhaps all Amel decks respond with the same beautiful tapping sounds (music to my ears) depending on the location of supports / iron wood / balsa and changes (by design) in materials and thicknesses.


Best Regards


John Morton

Amel Super Maramu #283

Auckland, New Zealand.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

amelforme
 

Hello Mr. Morton
Were you able to ascertain if the surveyor has surveyed other Amel boats or was this his first Amel inspection? I suspect the later.
I have sold hundreds of second hand Amels and I always shudder when I get a rookie surveyor/expert maritime. The typical snake/mongoose relationship evolves and it becomes very difficult to reasonably demonstrate that many of their assumptions are totally incorrect. Mainly because many surveyors are certain that all brokers are mouth breathing used car salesmen....
To all Amel sellers and especially to Amel buyers, the best Amel surveyor on the planet is Olivier Beauté who was Amel’s technical guru and after sale service honcho. He has forgotten more about Amels than any of us will ever know. If several time zones must be traversed, yep, he will be expensive. But absolutely worth every euro if the boat gives you any reason for pause. In the North American market, I have a guy, soon to retire, that has surveyed 300+ Amels for me. He gets it. Between the two of us, we are close to Olivier’s level of competence. Almost...

A thorough survey by someone familiar with the idiosyncrasies of Amel  boats is the best money you will spend when considering any Amel.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On May 31, 2018, at 4:45 PM, johnericmorton@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alin and Amel Owners


Just to clarify for other Amel Yacht Owners.  We are selling Wanderer after six great years of proud ownership in NZ.  When the sale goes through we plan to buy an Amel boat in the Mediterranean so we can spend six months each year in NZ then up to six months in the med live on board.  We don't have the appetite to face the challenge of sailing from NZ to Europe.

Alin's surveyor did the woodpecker thing with his light hammer on the deck and marked what he suspected could possibly be small localised areas of delamination requiring further investigation.   The underwater hull all "tapped out" OK.  :)-  and Wanderer otherwise has a clean bill of health.

The Surveyor lost a bit of credibility with me when he commented on "water ingress in the rudder"  (it's hollow by design) and his verbal recommendation to "drop off" the keel so he could check the mild steel attachment bolts.  (They are stainless steel and its not recommended to drop off the keel for inspection).

I'll get a photo of the localised crazing / hair line cracks aft of the lazarette hatch on the starboard side.  (When I tap this area now  I can't hear the difference but maybe I need 20 years of experience).   In any case, the crazing / cracks will be repaired.  The concern is about the risk of trapping in water and how to get the best finish - it look like a simple paint job but matching the faux teak surface and the painted strips in between might be a challenge.

There might already be a thread regarding crazing cracks on the faux teak strips?

Thank you in advance.

John and Mali Morton

Wanderer  ASM283

Auckland NZ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

Alin Misescu
 

Thank you



From: "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 1 June 2018 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

 
Hello and good luck with your Amel hunting. I sold that boat to it’s first owner who is a very dear friend. We were very discerning in the original outfitting. 
I also sold it to its second owner who sailed it to  New Zealand and resold it. 
I’ll go through my file on the boat as soon as I get to my warehouse where sold boat files are stored in the next several days and see if I have anything worthwhile to report.

All The Best, Joel

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On May 31, 2018, at 4:00 PM, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi. No she does not have a staysail. I will come back with a picture.
Thank you.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

amelforme
 

Hello and good luck with your Amel hunting. I sold that boat to it’s first owner who is a very dear friend. We were very discerning in the original outfitting. 
I also sold it to its second owner who sailed it to  New Zealand and resold it. 
I’ll go through my file on the boat as soon as I get to my warehouse where sold boat files are stored in the next several days and see if I have anything worthwhile to report.

All The Best, Joel

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On May 31, 2018, at 4:00 PM, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi. No she does not have a staysail. I will come back with a picture.

Thank you.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

johnericmorton@...
 

Hi Alin and Amel Owners

Just to clarify for other Amel Yacht Owners.  We are selling Wanderer after six great years of proud ownership in NZ.  When the sale goes through we plan to buy an Amel boat in the Mediterranean so we can spend six months each year in NZ then up to six months in the med live on board.  We don't have the appetite to face the challenge of sailing from NZ to Europe.

Alin's surveyor did the woodpecker thing with his light hammer on the deck and marked what he suspected could possibly be small localised areas of delamination requiring further investigation.   The underwater hull all "tapped out" OK.  :)-  and Wanderer otherwise has a clean bill of health.

The Surveyor lost a bit of credibility with me when he commented on "water ingress in the rudder"  (it's hollow by design) and his verbal recommendation to "drop off" the keel so he could check the mild steel attachment bolts.  (They are stainless steel and its not recommended to drop off the keel for inspection).

I'll get a photo of the localised crazing / hair line cracks aft of the lazarette hatch on the starboard side.  (When I tap this area now  I can't hear the difference but maybe I need 20 years of experience).   In any case, the crazing / cracks will be repaired.  The concern is about the risk of trapping in water and how to get the best finish - it look like a simple paint job but matching the faux teak surface and the painted strips in between might be a challenge.

There might already be a thread regarding crazing cracks on the faux teak strips?

Thank you in advance.

John and Mali Morton

Wanderer  ASM283

Auckland NZ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

Alin Misescu
 

Hi. No she does not have a staysail. I will come back with a picture.
Thank you.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Got confused with the vessel name! Thought Duane was selling his.

Alin, the best would be to take pictures showing the exact location.
Does this SM2K has (or had) a staysail?

Hope the final survey will be good

Sincerely, Alexandre (Formally #289)



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On Thu, 5/31/18, Alin Misescu alin1923@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2018, 2:02 PM


 









Hi everyone.  This is my  very first post 
here.I
am buying (hopefully)  a SM hull 283, Wanderer in NZ.  The
surveyor found delamination in few spots on deck. 4 areas
ranging from 10 to 20 square CM.  2 of them have cracks in
the gelcoat and you can hear different noise when tapping. 
You can also feel a v slight bump when you run your hand
over it.  Any thoughts or ideas are much appreciated. 
Thank you. Alin
Misescu 
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from Yahoo Mail on Android


SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck

Alin Misescu
 

Hi everyone.  This is my  very first post  here.
I am buying (hopefully)  a SM hull 283, Wanderer in NZ.  The surveyor found delamination in few spots on deck. 4 areas ranging from 10 to 20 square CM.  2 of them have cracks in the gelcoat and you can hear different noise when tapping.  You can also feel a v slight bump when you run your hand over it.  Any thoughts or ideas are much appreciated.  Thank you. 
Alin Misescu 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for taking this on Pat!
Duane


Chesapeake Rendezvous

Patrick McAneny
 

I think we need to set a date for the rendezvous very soon , so plans can be made. If my wife was home I could give you the number interested to date,she is keeping the list. It is quite a few. So I want to ask, that anyone that is interested in attending and has not emailed us yet ,please do so by the end of this weekend. Include the dates that you would not be available. We will determine what date looks good for the most , and post it by sometime early next week. The rendezvous would be in St. Michaels , boats trying to arrive on a Friday ,anchor together in the large anchorage  , dinner Saturday evening , departure whenever... If you are interested in coming ,please email us direct at sailw32@...

BTW, stay late Sat. evening, Joel will be pole dancing , you don't want to miss that !

See ya there,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane, I was just talking about that with my wife , Diane has a spread sheet with everyone and their available dates and intends to determine a date that appears best for most. I told her I wanted to post one more time for anyone interested to email us if they are interested in attending. So I will do that now, meant to do it a couple of days ago. We will post the results very soon.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, May 31, 2018 10:27 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

 
Has there been a date/time/place set yet for the rendezvous?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477