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Volvo D3-110 won't start - instruments won't even light up?

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

After a nice short day sail today, we were approaching Katakolo, Greece and I started the Volvo D3-110 (rev c) on my A54 and after a few minutes at idle, engaged into forward gear and about 30 seconds later, the motor died.


I tried to start it again but neither the EVC System Tachometer nor the Alarm Display lit up. So effectively the motor is not responding at all to the ignition key. Both of the 20 amp fuses on the motor are intact.


The starting battery is showing 12.9v and the genset, which I believe uses the same battery, started fine. 


Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? 


Scott

SV Tengah

A54 #69


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Bill,

Your post makes me wonder if I am misinformed.  I thought the AC ground (not the neutral) from the shore power cable was connected to the bonding system (possibly via a galvanic isolator, if your boat is so equipped).  Is that not the case?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan,

Good points.

All,

This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
  • The Amel Bonding System is NOT a GROUND.
  • Amel did not connect any electronic ground posts to the Amel Bonding system.
  • Further confusing the issue, Pouchon (Amel's electronics subcontractor) on some Amels connected a yellow/green wire to the ground terminal on some instruments, but terminated the other end without connection to anything. I have known some owners and some "expert" technicians to connect this yellow/green wire to the Amel Bonding System.
  • Raymarine has no idea what an Amel Bonding System is and really never defines "Ground" in any manual I have.
  • As someone who at a very young age (vacuum tube) built electronic radios, stereos, etc., I would connect the cases ("ground") of components together to reduce RFI.
  • I have no idea what Raymarine wishes to accomplish, but I assume that since they have to write manuals that are universal, they don't want a customer service issue for RFI. I have seen some RFI Floating Platforms disguised as cruising boats and when anchored nearby have been affected by the RFI they broadcast. I assume Raymarine develops an installation manual that reduces customer service issues from even these RFI floating platforms.
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Herbert and Alan

Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259




Heat Exchanger

Patrick McAneny
 

I have had my heat exchanger off several times over the years ,and reinstalled it as the previous owner had and not questioned it ,until now. I have had an overheating issue for years and am resolved to solve it . The previous owner applied silicone on the end caps to seal them. Is this normally done? When I just removed the H/E I found that as I pushed the cap on the last time ,the silicone was pushed back and covered better than 50% of one of the four holes and about 25%of another. Which brings me to another question. Is the antifreeze forced through the holes or does it just come into contact with the tubes as it moves along with the flow,I assume the later.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, As Bill just suggested ,this may have been installed by the previous owner. There is no 12 or 24 breaker that I can find, just going to redo it in 24v.,moving on to other problems.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:13 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Pat,

For what it's worth, I was poking around my propane locker last weekend and took some pics of the gas shutoff solenoid.  I have attached a picture of the Burkert part number 125301 solenoid label below.  The solenoid on my SM (Hull #440) is definitely a 24 Volt solenoid and is powered from the main 24V breaker panel.  It would seem very odd to me that Amel would have ever used a 12V solenoid for the gas shut off solenoid at any point in the building of SMs as I think they were built as 24V boats from the very beginning.  Someone with more knowledge/experience can correct me if I am wrong in that.

Regardless of whether it is 12v or 24V solenoid, Amel would have been required to put in some kind of switch in the galley in proximity to the stove to control the gas shutoff solenoid.  Does your main 24V panel have a breaker for the gas solenoid?  If so, that is where it gets it's power from and it would appear that someone replaced the 24V solenoid with a 12V solenoid.  That would obviously be bad as it would likely draw significantly more current than a 24V solenoid would assuming a similar coil resistance.

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I have been trying to see a photo of the galley area on another SM of my vintage,no luck. I think cannot find the power source and think I will just replace the switch and solenoid with 24v . Getting the right thread size may be a problem.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Pat,

I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar .. The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

 

Alan,

Good points.

All,

This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
  • The Amel Bonding System is NOT a GROUND.
  • Amel did not connect any electronic ground posts to the Amel Bonding system.
  • Further confusing the issue, Pouchon (Amel's electronics subcontractor) on some Amels connected a yellow/green wire to the ground terminal on some instruments, but terminated the other end without connection to anything. I have known some owners and some "expert" technicians to connect this yellow/green wire to the Amel Bonding System.
  • Raymarine has no idea what an Amel Bonding System is and really never defines "Ground" in any manual I have.
  • As someone who at a very young age (vacuum tube) built electronic radios, stereos, etc., I would connect the cases ("ground") of components together to reduce RFI.
  • I have no idea what Raymarine wishes to accomplish, but I assume that since they have to write manuals that are universal, they don't want a customer service issue for RFI. I have seen some RFI Floating Platforms disguised as cruising boats and when anchored nearby have been affected by the RFI they broadcast. I assume Raymarine develops an installation manual that reduces customer service issues from even these RFI floating platforms.
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Herbert and Alan

Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259



Re: Two questions

Paul Osterberg
 

Herbert and Alan
Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: Gas shut off

mfmcgovern@...
 

Pat,

For what it's worth, I was poking around my propane locker last weekend and took some pics of the gas shutoff solenoid.  I have attached a picture of the Burkert part number 125301 solenoid label below.  The solenoid on my SM (Hull #440) is definitely a 24 Volt solenoid and is powered from the main 24V breaker panel.  It would seem very odd to me that Amel would have ever used a 12V solenoid for the gas shut off solenoid at any point in the building of SMs as I think they were built as 24V boats from the very beginning.  Someone with more knowledge/experience can correct me if I am wrong in that.

Regardless of whether it is 12v or 24V solenoid, Amel would have been required to put in some kind of switch in the galley in proximity to the stove to control the gas shutoff solenoid.  Does your main 24V panel have a breaker for the gas solenoid?  If so, that is where it gets it's power from and it would appear that someone replaced the 24V solenoid with a 12V solenoid.  That would obviously be bad as it would likely draw significantly more current than a 24V solenoid would assuming a similar coil resistance.

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number

 

SAV@... has them in stock. Caution, there is more than one model gear box on the 54. Include a photo and hull number when ordering. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 06:42 kurt.wetzel@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear All
The gearbox of the boom on my Amel 54 is broken. Can anyone provide me with the part and fabrication numbers?
Thank you very much
Kurt and Junita
SY Hemera
Flag Malta
MMSI 215000349
Current Location Greece, Lavrion



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 

Pat,

I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 

Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Repower questions

greatketch@...
 

A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.

What new engine did you use?
Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission?
Are you happy with the new installation?
Where there any serious issues or complications?
Approximate cost?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Central Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

Ryan Meador
 

The drain and shield are connected together, and should be regarded as a single conductor.  The drain wire is a lot easier to attach to than the shield.

Maretron has this to say:
The NMEA 2000® network should be grounded at ONE location. Grounding at more than one location may produce ground loops, which can cause problems with communications on the network. In addition to the ground wire, connect the drain or SHIELD wire at the supply ground location and NO other place.

I take this to mean both ground and drain should be connected to the output of the 12V converter that is powering the system, which is the way it is set up on my boat.  This also matches general electrical engineering practice.

Part of the confusion I think is the use of the term "ground" for too many things.  Every circuit has a chosen point that is the zero-volt reference, and this is called ground.  The shield must be connected to the reference point of the power and signal wires to be effective.  But on an Amel, we also have the 24VDC ground and the AC ground, which are all distinct.  We even often call the DC ground by the slightly-inaccurate name "DC negative" to emphasize that it isn't connected to the AC ground.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:11 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

In the NMEA 2000 scheme there is a DRAIN wire and a SHIELD.

The recommendation is that both should be connected to GROUND at ONE POINT ONLY.
Problems have been caused it seems by earth loops where the drain and / or shield have been grounded at more than one point.
On most boats the ground connection is connected to battery -ve which maybe the cause of these earth loop problems as they now effectively have multiple ground connections.
Amel boats do not have a connection between battery -ve and ground.
So on our boats, my instinct tells me that the drain and ground should be connected to ships ground to eliminate interference problems from RF....from VHF or SSB for example 
However if the NMEA 2000 system has issues as you have said, then disconnecting that ground connection is not going to harm anything....and if there are issues it may be worth disconnecting the drain or ground from ships ground to see if either makes any difference. In any event you won't damage any equipment by doing that.
Just what I think...I may be wrong...it has been known !
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Malumu Bay, Beqa



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

karkauai
 

If it’s 12v, it would have to be powered by the 24-12 converters or the starting battery, Pat.  On Kristy there’s a breaker for it on the 24v panel with a light that indicates it’s on.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 

Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

karkauai
 

Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows

karkauai
 

Great, thanks Danny.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On May 31, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

I used a high quality single pot spar varnish to do those trims around the overhead hatches. Looks good and matches the original.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 01 June 2018 at 11:17 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I finally got the wood trim off of the cabin sides around the porch lights. They were just stuck with copious amounts of what appears to be clear silicone. I am in the process of taking all of the old finish off and will need to re-seal the wood and finish it. I would like to use the same finish that a male used at the time of the original build. Does anyone know what finish was used? I’m guessing it’s a high tech two part polyurethane. Do you know if any stain was used?

Joel?
Olivier?

Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
St Michaels MD


 


 


Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number

kurt.wetzel@...
 

Dear All
The gearbox of the boom on my Amel 54 is broken. Can anyone provide me with the part and fabrication numbers?
Thank you very much
Kurt and Junita
SY Hemera
Flag Malta
MMSI 215000349
Current Location Greece, Lavrion



Re: Two questions

Alan Leslie
 

In the NMEA 2000 scheme there is a DRAIN wire and a SHIELD.
The recommendation is that both should be connected to GROUND at ONE POINT ONLY.
Problems have been caused it seems by earth loops where the drain and / or shield have been grounded at more than one point.
On most boats the ground connection is connected to battery -ve which maybe the cause of these earth loop problems as they now effectively have multiple ground connections.
Amel boats do not have a connection between battery -ve and ground.
So on our boats, my instinct tells me that the drain and ground should be connected to ships ground to eliminate interference problems from RF....from VHF or SSB for example 
However if the NMEA 2000 system has issues as you have said, then disconnecting that ground connection is not going to harm anything....and if there are issues it may be worth disconnecting the drain or ground from ships ground to see if either makes any difference. In any event you won't damage any equipment by doing that.
Just what I think...I may be wrong...it has been known !
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Malumu Bay, Beqa


Re: Two questions

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Paul, we changed all electronics to raymarine 4 years ago. I removed the ground after having strange behaviour of the system, is running fine now since 4 years without ground. Was in contact with raymrine to find out what the problem was and in the end they recommended not to ground it...

Herbert, KALI MERA, SN120


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two questions

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you for confirming 12v
Paul