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Re: Can 220 Voltage Boat Plug Into a 115 Volt 30 Amp Shore Power

greatketch@...
 

Alan,

We have the Amel installed transformer to convert 110V shore power to 220V.  As you say, it does nothing to change the frequency.  We are routinely plugged into 110V/60Hz shore power, and of course away from the dock use our generator which makes 220V/50Hz. 

On our boat most things work happily with either 50Hz or 60Hz, with the very important exception of the clothes washer.  I am told if it sees 60Hz, it suffers irreparable brain death very quickly. I have never had the urge to test that piece of information! The microwave might also be an issue depending on the model.  Please note, I am ONLY talking about frequency here, NOT voltage!  Most devices do not work on the wrong voltage.  Almost every device will have a label somewhere that lists the appropriate voltages and frequencies.

Certainly on our boat, we have found many things work with either frequency--except the laundry.

Here are the things we use that work with either frequency (note, I do not guarantee that YOUR appliances will be the same!)  
Air Conditioners
Water Heater
All of our phone and computing device chargers.
Battery chargers
Water kettle
Kitchen mixer
hair dryer

Things that do not work on the wrong frequency (again, yours might be different)
wet/dry vacuum
coffee grinder
Clothes washer
microwave

For most AC electric motors changing the frequency will change the operating speed.  For most devices this is not an issue.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Slowing down in increasing winds

greatketch@...
 

Hans-Peter,

The mizzen boom on my boat most certainly can hit the twin backstays. I just went on deck to confirm.

The Main boon can hit the main mast back stay, but only IF the permanent fixed vang was not installed.

Hope that makes it clear..

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Bimini replacement cost

Paul Osterberg
 

Roger
We made a new bimini sprayhood a few years ago, with total cockpit enclosure, if you search for Kerpa in the photo sektion We will find pictures of it. We are very Please with the new design that keep rain and spray out, openings that allow wind to cool down warm days and me to have very good visibility when for example docking, Including mosquitos screen  and extend the height of the SS bars about 10 cm the cost was ca 3000 usd in Turkey.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: Dessalator Duo 160 - AC Motor for High Pressure Pump

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Heinz,

Thank you very much for sharing that information.  It is most helpful,

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Fort Louis Marina - Saint Martin


Re: Dessalator Duo 160 - AC Motor for High Pressure Pump

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Bill,

Thank you.  That is what I figured, but it is always nice to have confirmation from those in the know.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Fort Louis Marina - Saint Martin


Tmd22a is what Perkins

Patrick McAneny
 

I have spent many hours trying to find the end caps for the heat exchanger on the internet and a equal time trying to determine this question. My 1994 Volvo TMD22A is which Perkins engine. Does someone know ? The parts for a Perkins is easier to find and cheaper. I see end caps for a Perkins for $38 /pair , my local Volvo dealer quoted me $188/each. Is it a Perkins 4-108 , M50 ,M80 or something else? Presently my engine  cannot be ran and as I am on a mooring,I am uncomfortable with that and need to obtain these new caps asap.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Rendezvous

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, Sorry I missed your call yesterday, hosting a party is quite generous . When we get a final head count maybe we can identify what kind of transportation we would need . If a bus , then we could all chip in to cover the expense . I know there is at least one Uber in town, as we came out last year to your home in it for another party. Maybe you could check to see if there is a few more. 
Say Hi ! to Iris and Thank you,
Pat & Diane,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 6:22 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Rendezvous

 
Iris and I will be there, and would like to host a cocktail/hors d’oeuvres party at our place on Wednesday.  I’ll see if I can arrange transportation to and from the dinghy dock.

Sounds like quite a gathering...Thanks Pat and Diane for taking the lead..

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243
St Michaels, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chesapeake Bay Rendezvous

karkauai
 

Iris and I will be there, and would like to host a cocktail/hors d’oeuvres party at our place on Wednesday.  I’ll see if I can arrange transportation to and from the dinghy dock.

Sounds like quite a gathering...Thanks Pat and Diane for taking the lead.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243
St Michaels, MD


Re: Can 220 Voltage Boat Plug Into a 115 Volt 30 Amp Shore Power

Alan Leslie
 

There is no transformer that will turn 120V 60 Hz into 230V 50Hz...the 230V will still be 60Hz...and correct most of the AC appliances on the boat won't work with that
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Can 220 Voltage Boat Plug Into a 115 Volt 30 Amp Shore Power

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Bill,

If your battery chargers can accept 120V/60Hz, and assuming you wire the connection correctly, you could plug in.  For example, we have Mastervolt battery chargers which are able to use 120V/60Hz.

Assuming you don't have a 120V/60Hz to 230V/50Hz transformer on board, then the dishwasher, washer, microwave, air conditioning, anything you plug into the outlets, etc., will die promptly if you turn them on while plugged to 120V/60Hz.

Bottom line, even if you are able to plug into 120V/60Hz, make sure you turn off all breakers other than the battery charger.

Also, even if you get one of those expensive "Y" connectors that plug into two 120V outlets to make 240V, remember, the "Y" connector will still pass thru 60Hz, which your battery charger may (or may not) take, but which will kill all other devices except the Climma A/C, and even those will suffer with shortened-life capacitors.

Cheers,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Can 220 Voltage Boat Plug Into a 115 Volt 30 Amp Shore Power

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Bill,

If you plug in directly, I can promise something bad will happen.  There are two possibilities for what those other boats were doing:

  1. they used a step-up transformer.  I know some Amels have this, I think as a factory option.  It's a common modification for those in the US, though they're large, heavy, and expensive.  Not my favorite approach.
  2. They use a Y adapter to plug into two 30A/120V shore power receptacles.  You need to be very careful doing this.  Because the USA uses a split-phase power system, if you combine opposite 120V phases, you can get 240V.  Often the two phases will be wired to two receptacles on the same pedestal on the dock, but you need to check with a multimeter because they could be the same phase or even from different circuits entirely, both of which would be dangerous and/or not do what you want.  They do make "smart" Y adapters, such as the Marinco RY504-2-30, which will prevent you from attaching it wrong.  I would go with one of these.  You'd still want to check the dock with a meter before you buy it just to be sure it will work.
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 7:34 PM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I've just arrived in Fort Lauderdale (after sailing through Albert) and an staying in the Bahia Mar Marina which is a about $100 per day.  I intend to sell Pacific Cool and want to move to one of the private docks that rent for about $650 per month.  My boat is a 220 voltage boat built for a French owner and then bought by me.  But I've never been in the US with hr as I was sailing around the world as soon as I bought her.


I have found a dock that has only 115 regular  house voltage.  The owner tells me that in the past all of the 220 volt boats were able to plug in.  Does anyone know what might happen if I plug into the 115 power outlet?  I have 8 brand new Lifeline AGM batteries and would hate to do something bad to them.  I may be able to use my 370 watts of solar panels and a wind generator to charge the batteries, but that won't allow any AC power on the boat.  I'll turn off all my 24 volt equipment tomorrow and see if there's enough juice to just charge the batteries.  But I'd prefer to have AC power as well.  


Any help appreciated.  My boat is from 1995 and is a 53 foot Super Maramu with a 80 Amp Victron Battery Charger and D400 wind generator with 370 watts of solar panels. 


Bill Shaproski  

S/V Pacific Cool



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Slowing down in increasing winds

hanspeter baettig
 

to Bill Kinney
Hi 
what are your texting?
You are a owner of a SM 160
pls. explain to the forum . The boom of the main sail ? the boom of the mizzen can hit the two backstay ??
I'm a littel bit confused reding your message
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16
Las Palmas

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 05.06.2018 um 01:54 schrieb greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I was always a regular reader of Brion Toss' forum.  I was disappointed when it became too much trouble to maintain.  Lots of really good information buried in there.  He is one of the people I have "met" through his writing who I really would like to meet personally. 


Can my boom hit the backstay?  Yes.  But... No.  

YES: The geometry of the rig would allow the boom to hit the back stay. (I just had to go on deck to check.) 

But NO: Amel, having thought of everything, has put a "permanent" vang on the boat.  A length of 3-strand nylon (stretchy!) from the boom to the base of the mast. Its primary purpose is to keep the boom from rising when unfurling the sail. It also prevents the boom from rising high enough to impact the backstay in a jibe.  It is long enough that it has no real effect on sail trim in any normal situation.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,

   Thanks for your input and advice.  That is a good point about being sure to bring the traveller all of the way to the leeward side when sailing at an angle that could possibly result in a gybe.  

    I am curious about whether the boom on your boat can actually hit the backstay?    Have you tried raising it using the topping lift, then swinging it back and forth to see?   The main boom on my boat clears the backstay even when lifted so that it is perpendicular to the backstay, but not by much!  

   On the subject of shock loads (such as from jibing) and elasticity, I came across this snip from a forum response by Brian Toss whom I feel knows his stuff pretty well.  

"Shock loads are relative to acceleration and elasticity. They can be quantified and included in design load calculations if desired. The short form here is that the materials you are likely to use appropriately are also appropriate for any shock loads, if they are scaled to the design load, times a safety factor. As a counter-example, I've seen main sheets and vangs break gear when owners ill-advisedly replaced Dacron with HM line.

Brian’s complete post can be found at:  http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=5662

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

  


Can 220 Voltage Boat Plug Into a 115 Volt 30 Amp Shore Power

pacificcool@...
 

I've just arrived in Fort Lauderdale (after sailing through Albert) and an staying in the Bahia Mar Marina which is a about $100 per day.  I intend to sell Pacific Cool and want to move to one of the private docks that rent for about $650 per month.  My boat is a 220 voltage boat built for a French owner and then bought by me.  But I've never been in the US with hr as I was sailing around the world as soon as I bought her.


I have found a dock that has only 115 regular  house voltage.  The owner tells me that in the past all of the 220 volt boats were able to plug in.  Does anyone know what might happen if I plug into the 115 power outlet?  I have 8 brand new Lifeline AGM batteries and would hate to do something bad to them.  I may be able to use my 370 watts of solar panels and a wind generator to charge the batteries, but that won't allow any AC power on the boat.  I'll turn off all my 24 volt equipment tomorrow and see if there's enough juice to just charge the batteries.  But I'd prefer to have AC power as well.  


Any help appreciated.  My boat is from 1995 and is a 53 foot Super Maramu with a 80 Amp Victron Battery Charger and D400 wind generator with 370 watts of solar panels. 


Bill Shaproski  

S/V Pacific Cool


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chesapeake Rendezvous

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, Diane and I sailed to the show every year for the last 35 years. I think we have only driven once. Parking is easier. Look forward to meeting ya, Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chesapeake Rendezvous

 
It's Good can do either, but I do like the plan of a "rally" to Annapolis for the Boat Show, that could be fun for sure. Been to the boat show a number of times, but a) never sailed there and b) have only owned our Amel for a bit less than a year. I do like the reactions from people who see her!

Jennifer and I are looking forward to meeting everyone.

Mark
S/V It's Good
Severn River, Gloucester, VA

On Jun 04, 2018, at 03:00 PM, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
S/V Fiasco (Sharki) prefers warmer weather, ergo August date would be the first choice.  Oct dates can also work.

Aras


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chesapeake Rendezvous

Mark Garver
 

It's Good can do either, but I do like the plan of a "rally" to Annapolis for the Boat Show, that could be fun for sure. Been to the boat show a number of times, but a) never sailed there and b) have only owned our Amel for a bit less than a year. I do like the reactions from people who see her!

Jennifer and I are looking forward to meeting everyone.

Mark
S/V It's Good
Severn River, Gloucester, VA

On Jun 04, 2018, at 03:00 PM, "n33077@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

S/V Fiasco (Sharki) prefers warmer weather, ergo August date would be the first choice.  Oct dates can also work.

Aras


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dessalator Duo 160 - AC Motor for High Pressure Pump

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

I had the same Problem and I wrote to the factorie. Thiele is the anthers the gave me today. 
Bonjour,

Il vous faut 2 Condensateurs d'accompagnement moteur de 30 microfarads.

Restant à votre disposition.

Bien à vous.

Nicolas Bouffartigue
Secrétariat Dessalator

http://www.dessalator.fr/
tel : +33 (0)4 93 95 04 55 


Faire Winds 
Heinz SM2000 292 Quetzal


Am 04.06.2018 um 21:23 schrieb greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Paul,


If the motor runs at speed after hand starting, you can bet the start capacitor is the most likely cause.  

Unfortunately, I can't help you with the specifications for those, I have the DC only version of the watermaker.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Cover for mechanical rudder indicator on Steering wheel hub

Steve Leeds
 

3-D printing seems like a very good idea, but I haven't found anyone to do it locally.

Steve
Yacht MACCABEE
Sharki #121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini replacement cost

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

We were in Martinique last November and ask for the price. They wanted 2700,00 Euro for it. Incl. 2 windows. I can send you offer iff you give me your Email. 


Faire Winds 
Heinz SM 2000, 292 Quetzal. 


Am 04.06.2018 um 14:16 schrieb 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Roger,

 

We used Nabela to do some upholstery work for us when we were in Grenada last year. They did a very good job.

 

Nabela

Owner: Larry Carter

Phone: 473-444-5460 or 473-535-8299

 

Also, you are not far from Martinique and could get Amel to do the work (they will sub it out but will make sure it is done properly)

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 2:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini replacement cost

 

 

We are looking to replace our canvas. What should we expect to pay. Does anyone have suggestions as to who would be good? We are in Prickly Bay, Grenada.

Roger Mehan
Surreal SM204


Chesapeake Bay Rendezvous

Patrick McAneny
 

I have heard from several owners regarding what date would be good for them. It appears that early Oct. before the boat show would be good for virtually everyone, and August would not be doable for a few. Actually if in Oct. two additional boats would be able to make it , bringing it up to 14 boats. So even if all don't make it , it should still be a great turn out. 

So this would be the plan: 

Boats would arrive on or before the afternoon on Monday Oct.1 , a casual meet & greet, dinghy about bumming a beer here and there.

Tuesday , we could have a pot luck lunch , last time we hosted it on our boat , it was a bit crowded , this time it looks to be more boats /crew , 7 boats last time, 14 interested this year . So maybe a couple of boats could raft up for lunch this time. 

We would then have dinner at the Crab Claw , its large enough to accommodate large groups, which could easily be 35 plus.

Wednesday would be a free day to mingle or tour the town , with the possibility of a party ashore in the evening , but still to be determined.

Thursday , For those interested in going to Annapolis for the boat show as we are, we could have an informal rally over , normally about a four hour sail . We always just anchor out , but you could get a slip if you reserve one in advance.

That pretty much covers it for now. I will post again by mid August , asking for a head count to make dinner reservations at the Crab Claw .

If most of the boats attend ,as well as a few individuals , including Joel, who just confirmed he is coming , it should be a great turn out and a lot of fun. 

See Ya There,

Pat & Diane,

SM Shenanigans





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Slowing down in increasing winds

James Alton
 

Bill,

   I did not make the connection of the most important function of the permanent 3 strand boom vang until you pointed out what should have been obvious, thanks!    

   James
   SV Sueño
   Maramu #220

  

On Jun 4, 2018, at 8:54 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I was always a regular reader of Brion Toss' forum.  I was disappointed when it became too much trouble to maintain.  Lots of really good information buried in there.  He is one of the people I have "met" through his writing who I really would like to meet personally. 


Can my boom hit the backstay?  Yes.  But... No.  

YES: The geometry of the rig would allow the boom to hit the back stay. (I just had to go on deck to check.) 

But NO: Amel, having thought of everything, has put a "permanent" vang on the boat.  A length of 3-strand nylon (stretchy!) from the boom to the base of the mast. Its primary purpose is to keep the boom from rising when unfurling the sail. It also prevents the boom from rising high enough to impact the backstay in a jibe.  It is long enough that it has no real effect on sail trim in any normal situation.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

   Thanks for your input and advice.  That is a good point about being sure to bring the traveller all of the way to the leeward side when sailing at an angle that could possibly result in a gybe.  

    I am curious about whether the boom on your boat can actually hit the backstay?    Have you tried raising it using the topping lift, then swinging it back and forth to see?   The main boom on my boat clears the backstay even when lifted so that it is perpendicular to the backstay, but not by much!  

   On the subject of shock loads (such as from jibing) and elasticity, I came across this snip from a forum response by Brian Toss whom I feel knows his stuff pretty well.  

"Shock loads are relative to acceleration and elasticity. They can be quantified and included in design load calculations if desired. The short form here is that the materials you are likely to use appropriately are also appropriate for any shock loads, if they are scaled to the design load, times a safety factor. As a counter-example, I've seen main sheets and vangs break gear when owners ill-advisedly replaced Dacron with HM line.

Brian’s complete post can be found at:  http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=5662

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220