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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi James,

I  had built a solar arch and wind generator mount for Amelia. It is great. Love it.

I bonded the frame to the rest of the bonding system. There should be no leak from the solar panels themselves to the arch even without insulating the mounting points. Ditto with the wind generators. Mine are just bolted to the frame lugs as designed by the solar manufacturer.  So long as the panels themselves are working as designed then as you say just hook them up to the +ve and -ve terminals of the regulator. The solar cells themselves are linked to one another but isolated from the aluminium mounting frame. That is what I did and there was no leak to the bonding system from that source. My biggest worry was drawing the cables through the mounting frame without stripping the cable insulation. That would be a no no! I had to grease them and push/pull then test for a leak. It was fine. I wish I had specified a plastic conduit!!

Nick

On 25 Jun 2018, at 14:39, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good morning everyone.  


I am in the process of planning an installation of solar panels on a stainless steel arch on my Amel SM2000.  Understanding that it has an isolated ground, I would plan to wire the panels with only a positive and negative to the charge controller, and not have any connection to ship's ground. 


It would seem appropriate to connect the steel arch to the ship's ground considering that it will inevitably develop a charge.  


If this is the case, then I must isolate the panels from the steel frame by insulating all of the attachment points.   Is this really necessary to ground the arch, even though it is anchored strictly on to the fiberglass hull?


Can anyone comment on their experience and suggestions?


Thank you very much!


James

Soteria

SM2K #347, Portsmouth, RI




Isolated grounding question - solar installation

James Cromie
 

Good morning everyone.  


I am in the process of planning an installation of solar panels on a stainless steel arch on my Amel SM2000.  Understanding that it has an isolated ground, I would plan to wire the panels with only a positive and negative to the charge controller, and not have any connection to ship's ground. 


It would seem appropriate to connect the steel arch to the ship's ground considering that it will inevitably develop a charge.  


If this is the case, then I must isolate the panels from the steel frame by insulating all of the attachment points.   Is this really necessary to ground the arch, even though it is anchored strictly on to the fiberglass hull?


Can anyone comment on their experience and suggestions?


Thank you very much!


James

Soteria

SM2K #347, Portsmouth, RI


Re: keep short poles up?

Peter de Groot
 

Thanks Bill and Bill.
They shorts poles will be coming down to deck from now on.

I’m off to to sail loft this morning. Grrrrr !

Peter de Groot
La Querida. Sm 207
Moss landing, CA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster seal replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is the step by step process:
http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 6/24/18, sailunavida@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster seal replacement
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 24, 2018, 11:35 PM


 









How hard is it to replace the up
position seal to stop leaking while underway on SM 2000? In
the water?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Older Maramu steering system pics

smiles bernard
 

Hi James

Good to hear from you
I know that busy feeling !
We leave the uk on the 17th and have thew house to clear for rental plus everyone but me has a vomiting bug! 

I'm very glad the pics are helpful :)
yes very very little wear on the racks
yes the cables are adjusted at the quadrant 
you can see the adjustment points on the attached pic

I actually dont know how these work. I had to slacken off one side to allow for the reassembly so i need to look at is again and readjust things but its a strange set up. The locking/adjustment nuts either side of the tube clamp are held captive by a large washer with tabs on it (just about visible on the pic). So i cant quite figure out how you are supposed to adjust things as the nuts wont turn as they are held in place

I'll have another look once we are afloat again

Thanks so much for the thoughts on the anode attachments. I will check .... i did not remove the anode of connecting bolt so i'm not sure if it had to be screwed out of if its just pushed through a whole in the rudder metal.
I'll see it the yard can thread it if not, put a bigger threaded bar in place and oversize the anode holes

She's had all her antifoul and primer stripped
which revealed the hull in good shape - nice and dry but no gelcoat - in places you can see the fiber. I think it must have been stripped before. The yard is suggesting 4 or 5 coats of epoxy before the coppercoat. Do you think that sounds about right?


Hope you manage to find some space between the work to rest soon



All the very best

Miles

On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 1:37:06 AM GMT+1, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Miles,


   Sorry that I did not comment on these excellent photos earlier, we have been doing the 70-80 hour work week thing lately so a few things have had to slide a bit.  (grin)  The center photo of the rack is interesting to me since it appears that there is very little wear!  It is very helpful to see how some of these bits come apart since I have not taken the steering system on Sueño apart yet so thanks for sharing.

    Can you tell me if the cables are adjusted at the quadrant end or at the other end?  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:12 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from smiles bernard included below]

Hey folks 

I thought these might be of interest for those with older Maramus with the morse red cables and the Morse 401 commander steering system.  

I know it would have helped me to have had these so hope they are helpful for any future service plans

All the best
Miles 


















Re: keep short poles up?

Alan Leslie
 

Totally agree with Bill and Bill
If you're not sailing downwind, put the poles away....all of them..it's not that difficult and could save you $000's on torn sails, chafed sheets...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Alan Leslie
 

Barry,
It really doesn't matter what they say about boat length, it's the capacity of the pump that's important and the Viking 32 has very similar specs to the original pump,.
On the plus side, it's a lot less expensive, easier to get spares for ... we had to make a new mount for it which I made out of a nylon cutting board by drilling holes in the appropriate places...oh and the inlet and outlet hoses are bigger than the original, so I swapped the outlet for the manual pump and used an adaptor at the hose end of that to keep the same bore from the sump through the Viking pump to the outlet.
We've had it for nearly 2 years now and it's working fine.
Cheers
alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Thank’s Alan,
That does seem a good option, I like the hand crank option on it. 
Do you find that it is big enough for your boat? The specs I saw indicated that is suits boats up to 40ft.
Changing the kit on the AMFA is very awkward and I can now see that my PVC cover plate is warped a bit. 
Best Regards
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank’s Mohammad,

I will phone them this morning.
Best
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:33 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: bow thruster seal replacement

Alan Leslie
 

Rather difficult
You need the Amel special tool so that you can drop the bowthruster drive tube and propellor out of the bottom of the boat, bring it topside and then you can service it...oil, prop shaft seal, foam seal..
BUT it may be that you just need to adjust the cables so that the bowthruster is up compressing the seals when you put the pin in.
There is information in the files section on how to do that..
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Musket Cove, Fiji
  


Re: AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Alan Leslie
 

That nylon gear seems to be the weakest part in that pump. 
When ours failed in New Caledonia 2 years ago, we replaced it with a Johnson Viking 32 and bought spares with it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Musket Cove, Fiji 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Thank’s Mohammad,
I will phone them this morning.
Best
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:33 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boots for spreaders

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi James,
I find that it depends on the sea conditions and point of sail. On my recent passage to the Azores we only motored about 24 hrs all told.
With a smooth sea and apparent wind forward we sailed in the lightest of airs with the sails quiet.
At times doing 3 kn boat speed. However one night sailing in the front we had 30-42 kn true wind dead astern. Rough and confused with a cross swell. The front passed and wind dropped to 12-15  kn true, still dead aft. The slatting was horrible, nerve jangling and terrible for the sails. We motored for 8 hours, bare poled down wind in a solid breeze. Once the sea settled down we started sailing again. Saved a lot of wear and tear.

No hard and fast rules.

Nick s/y Amelia #54


On 24 Jun 2018, at 00:40, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill Rouse,


   Thanks for sharing some of the rules that you use when deciding when to sail, motor sail or just motor that I assume were developed over many years of sailing your Amel.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:52 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:




bow thruster seal replacement

sailunavida@...
 

How hard is it to replace the up position seal to stop leaking while underway on SM 2000? In the water?


Re: For Sale, Super Maramu # 180

sailunavida@...
 

how much?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keep short poles up?

greatketch@...
 

NO...

Like Bill R said, and for another reason...

If you leave the short poles up you can not trim the genoa in tight enough to sail upwind well.  That last 2 or 3 inches will make a HUGE difference in your pointing ability!  Seriously, 10 degrees or more.  

When you are trying to work upwind, details matter.  This is one of the details!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

NO.

You will likely chafe your genoa on the elbows of the short pole when close hauled.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 7:12 PM pandmdegroot@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings all,

I have been the owner of SM hull 207 now "la Querida"  formerly "Liebling" for about one year now.  We've been doing weekend off shore sailing based out of Moss Landing, California. The last month we've been working on downwind sailing using the poles, so I've been leaving the short poles in place.

Well today, the jib ripped (tore) on the part of the short pole outboard of the shrouds.  We were doing a routine tack, and the sail was backwinded with some pressure against the shrouds and short pole end.  Upon releasing the sheet we heard the awful ripping sound.

Upon examining the pole end's outside surfaces none were particularly sharp, although the pin was oriented cotter pin outboard.  The ends of the cotter pin were recessed behind the pin end. For me, there were no obvious offending snag points, or sharp edges.

I'm not sure of the age of the jib (130%) but 6 months ago a local sail shop re-covered the leech and foot and said the rest of the sail was in good condition.


So my questions to the group are:

1.  Do you leave the short poles up when not doing downwind sailing?

2.  If the short poles do stay up, is there some additional protection you can recommend.


BTW.  We're loving the SM.  We've been working on upwind and downwind sailing with no autohelm, and no human inputs, just tuning the sails.  She behaves remarkably well.


Thanks in advance,  I read almost all the posts and really appreciate the knowledge,experience and helpfulness of the contributors.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keep short poles up?

 

NO.

You will likely chafe your genoa on the elbows of the short pole when close hauled.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 7:12 PM pandmdegroot@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings all,

I have been the owner of SM hull 207 now "la Querida"  formerly "Liebling" for about one year now.  We've been doing weekend off shore sailing based out of Moss Landing, California. The last month we've been working on downwind sailing using the poles, so I've been leaving the short poles in place.

Well today, the jib ripped (tore) on the part of the short pole outboard of the shrouds.  We were doing a routine tack, and the sail was backwinded with some pressure against the shrouds and short pole end.  Upon releasing the sheet we heard the awful ripping sound.

Upon examining the pole end's outside surfaces none were particularly sharp, although the pin was oriented cotter pin outboard.  The ends of the cotter pin were recessed behind the pin end. For me, there were no obvious offending snag points, or sharp edges.

I'm not sure of the age of the jib (130%) but 6 months ago a local sail shop re-covered the leech and foot and said the rest of the sail was in good condition.


So my questions to the group are:

1.  Do you leave the short poles up when not doing downwind sailing?

2.  If the short poles do stay up, is there some additional protection you can recommend.


BTW.  We're loving the SM.  We've been working on upwind and downwind sailing with no autohelm, and no human inputs, just tuning the sails.  She behaves remarkably well.


Thanks in advance,  I read almost all the posts and really appreciate the knowledge,experience and helpfulness of the contributors.


keep short poles up?

Peter de Groot
 

Greetings all,

I have been the owner of SM hull 207 now "la Querida"  formerly "Liebling" for about one year now.  We've been doing weekend off shore sailing based out of Moss Landing, California. The last month we've been working on downwind sailing using the poles, so I've been leaving the short poles in place.

Well today, the jib ripped (tore) on the part of the short pole outboard of the shrouds.  We were doing a routine tack, and the sail was backwinded with some pressure against the shrouds and short pole end.  Upon releasing the sheet we heard the awful ripping sound.

Upon examining the pole end's outside surfaces none were particularly sharp, although the pin was oriented cotter pin outboard.  The ends of the cotter pin were recessed behind the pin end. For me, there were no obvious offending snag points, or sharp edges.

I'm not sure of the age of the jib (130%) but 6 months ago a local sail shop re-covered the leech and foot and said the rest of the sail was in good condition.


So my questions to the group are:

1.  Do you leave the short poles up when not doing downwind sailing?

2.  If the short poles do stay up, is there some additional protection you can recommend.


BTW.  We're loving the SM.  We've been working on upwind and downwind sailing with no autohelm, and no human inputs, just tuning the sails.  She behaves remarkably well.


Thanks in advance,  I read almost all the posts and really appreciate the knowledge,experience and helpfulness of the contributors.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you M and A!


On Jun 24, 2018, at 12:21 PM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I accidently uploaded under the Bow Thruster maintenance folder. I have reloaded a new one under the files section.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 10:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

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Description : Amel 54 Winter Cockpit Cover

You can access this file at the URL:
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