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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keep short poles up?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Peter,

There was a famous new Zealand around the world racing sailor name of Peter Blake. His advice: off shore never sail close hauled, (racing or cruising) crack sheets and enjoy the better sea motion, speed and comfort, because the wind will change. Put it another way, don't fight to stay on the rhumb line take the easier passage, the wind will change. I'm talking long inter-island passages and trans ocean stuff. As a fervent erstwhile racing yachtsman it took me quite a while to come to grips with this. Against all my instincts, but I promise you PB was right. Back to the towels or soft leather protectors on the poles. With the best will in the world there will be times when your sail will make contact. Why not apply this simple protection. Makes more sense than wear patches on the sail.

Kind Regards

Danny Simms

On 26 June 2018 at 15:16 "pandmdegroot@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny,
Thanks for your reply.  I'm still in the familiarization stage with the SM doing weekend off shore day sailing.  We're beating upwind for a relatively short down wind sail (heading back to the coast)  Recently I was leaving the short poles up to make it quicker, easier for the down wind leg.
When we head to Mexico (hopefully 2020) we'll  make judgments based on longer periods of relatively consistent wind direction.  I may revisit the towel or leather idea at that time.  For now the poles will be coming down.

Thanks
Peter de Groot
La Querida SM207

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keep short poles up?

Peter de Groot
 

Hi Danny,
Thanks for your reply.  I'm still in the familiarization stage with the SM doing weekend off shore day sailing.  We're beating upwind for a relatively short down wind sail (heading back to the coast)  Recently I was leaving the short poles up to make it quicker, easier for the down wind leg.
When we head to Mexico (hopefully 2020) we'll  make judgments based on longer periods of relatively consistent wind direction.  I may revisit the towel or leather idea at that time.  For now the poles will be coming down.

Thanks
Peter de Groot
La Querida SM207


Cam lock on main halyard?

Peter de Groot
 

Another beginners question:

During our last outing on La Querida (SM 207) upon deploying, the middle vertical batten on the mail sail had broke through the pocket and was dangling 3/4 out.  Seas were moderate and the wind was averaging 15 knots.  I was attempting to rescue the batten and had to untie the Alpine butterfly loop (lineman's loop) on the main halyard in order to lower it where the batten was within reach.  This knot was at the limit of my out-stretched arms, and difficult to untie in that position.  I was finally able to untie the knot and drop the halyard.  Batten rescued! (the complete sequence was: unfurl, detect problem, partial furl, untie knot on halyard, unfurl, lower halyard. rescue batten, etc.)


 OK that got me concerned....what if it was really rough?  What if there was some other malfunction (where furling was not an option) that required dropping the main quickly.....

I was recalling the camlocks on the halyards on the race boats I used to crew an wondering if that wouldn't be a reasonable option for the SM.


Has anyone considered or installed another method to secure the main halyard other than the pinned slide on the track?  Is there a better knot that releases quickly while working at the limit of ones reach?  Or is this beginner missing something else that's obvious?


Thanks in advance,

Peter de Groot

La Querida #207

Moss Landing, CA 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster seal replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. If you mean the seal at the top of the bow thruster case where the tube enters the boat. Easy, with care so long as your thruster isn't rusted to the motor .Doesn't take long.  Put a large jubilee clamp around the tube tightly before you separate it from the motor. You need a second clamp to swap with as you go through the process.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 June 2018 at 16:35 "sailunavida@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

How hard is it to replace the up position seal to stop leaking while underway on SM 2000? In the water?

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keep short poles up?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

Have to agree with Bill Kinney. However it comes down to how long you will be going to windward and when you next need the poles.Do you want to go through the process of putting them up and down often. This can be needed in lumpy sea. It requires care being on deck handling poles in a seaway. I wrap and tape an old towel around the knuckle of the pole if I want to leave them up. I have often thought (but never done) of having soft leather boots made to lace over the knuckles. I think it would be a worthy addition.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 June 2018 at 15:37 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

NO...


Like Bill R said, and f or another reason...

If you leave the short poles up you can not trim the genoa in tight enough to sail upwind well.  That last 2 or 3 inches will make a HUGE difference in your pointing ability!  Seriously, 10 degrees or more.  

When you are trying to work upwind, details matter.  This is one of the details!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

NO.

You will likely chafe your genoa on the elbows of the short pole when close hauled.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 7:12 PM pandmdegroot@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Greetings all,

I have been the owner of SM hull 207 now "la Querida"  formerly "Liebling" for about one year now.  We've been doing weekend off shore sailing based out of Moss Landing, California. The last month we've been working on downwind sailing using the poles, so I've been leaving the short poles in place.

Well today, the jib ripped (tore) on the part of the short pole outboard of the shrouds.  We were doing a routine tack, and the sail was backwinded with some pressure against the shrouds and short pole end.  Upon releasing the sheet we heard the awful ripping sound.

Upon examining the pole end's outside surfaces none were particularly sharp, although the pin was oriented cotter pin outboard.  The ends of the cotter pin were recessed behind the pin end. For me, there were no obvious offending snag points, or sharp edges.

I'm not sure of the age of the jib (130%) but 6 months ago a local sail shop re-covered the leech and foot and said the rest of the sail was in good condition.


So my questions to the group are:

1.  Do you leave the short poles up when not doing downwind sailing?

2.  If the short poles do stay up, is there some additional protection you can recommend.


BTW.  We're loving the SM.  We've been working on upwind and downwind sailing with no autohelm, and no human inputs, just tuning the sails.  She behaves remarkably well.


Thanks in advance,  I read almost all the posts and really appreciate the knowledge,experience and helpfulness of the contributors.

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hoi Kurt,
ich wusste zwar das Du mit Freunden zusammen eine AMEL hast (dachte allerdings es sei eine Super Maramu), hatte Dich aber bisher nicht auf diesem Forum gesehen.

Ich habe seit Nov15 auch einen AMEL54 und lebe seit Dez 16 darauf. Derzeit befinde ich mich in Puerto Rico. Vor einem möglichen Hurricane segle ich dann in Richrtung ABC runter.

Falls Du Dich jetzt wunderst wer das ist der da schreibt: Wir hatten uns kennen gelernt als Du bei der UBS warst und ich bei EMC gearbeitet habe. Danach noch ein paar mal zufällig im Hallenbad von Uitikon, zusammen mit Ueli Weibel.

Mein Boot ist zur Zeit in St. Vincent registriert. Ich hatte das so vom Voreigner übernommen. Jetzt denken ich an den CH Flaggenschein. Was kostet das jährlich? Ist die Bürokratie danach erträglich?
Vielen Dank für Deine Antwort.
Fair Winds,
Alex

On Friday, June 1, 2018, 2:53:17 PM GMT-4, kurt.wetzel@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Thank you very much Bill.
@SAV has nothing in stock at the moment.
As informed by Amel La Rochelle there is a delay in production.
That being the reason I posted this message on the forum.
Regards
Kurt
Hemera
AML54007E506


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi James,

I  had built a solar arch and wind generator mount for Amelia. It is great. Love it.

I bonded the frame to the rest of the bonding system. There should be no leak from the solar panels themselves to the arch even without insulating the mounting points. Ditto with the wind generators. Mine are just bolted to the frame lugs as designed by the solar manufacturer.  So long as the panels themselves are working as designed then as you say just hook them up to the +ve and -ve terminals of the regulator. The solar cells themselves are linked to one another but isolated from the aluminium mounting frame. That is what I did and there was no leak to the bonding system from that source. My biggest worry was drawing the cables through the mounting frame without stripping the cable insulation. That would be a no no! I had to grease them and push/pull then test for a leak. It was fine. I wish I had specified a plastic conduit!!

Nick

On 25 Jun 2018, at 14:39, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good morning everyone.  


I am in the process of planning an installation of solar panels on a stainless steel arch on my Amel SM2000.  Understanding that it has an isolated ground, I would plan to wire the panels with only a positive and negative to the charge controller, and not have any connection to ship's ground. 


It would seem appropriate to connect the steel arch to the ship's ground considering that it will inevitably develop a charge.  


If this is the case, then I must isolate the panels from the steel frame by insulating all of the attachment points.   Is this really necessary to ground the arch, even though it is anchored strictly on to the fiberglass hull?


Can anyone comment on their experience and suggestions?


Thank you very much!


James

Soteria

SM2K #347, Portsmouth, RI




Isolated grounding question - solar installation

James Cromie
 

Good morning everyone.  


I am in the process of planning an installation of solar panels on a stainless steel arch on my Amel SM2000.  Understanding that it has an isolated ground, I would plan to wire the panels with only a positive and negative to the charge controller, and not have any connection to ship's ground. 


It would seem appropriate to connect the steel arch to the ship's ground considering that it will inevitably develop a charge.  


If this is the case, then I must isolate the panels from the steel frame by insulating all of the attachment points.   Is this really necessary to ground the arch, even though it is anchored strictly on to the fiberglass hull?


Can anyone comment on their experience and suggestions?


Thank you very much!


James

Soteria

SM2K #347, Portsmouth, RI


Re: keep short poles up?

Peter de Groot
 

Thanks Bill and Bill.
They shorts poles will be coming down to deck from now on.

I’m off to to sail loft this morning. Grrrrr !

Peter de Groot
La Querida. Sm 207
Moss landing, CA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster seal replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is the step by step process:
http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 6/24/18, sailunavida@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster seal replacement
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 24, 2018, 11:35 PM


 









How hard is it to replace the up
position seal to stop leaking while underway on SM 2000? In
the water?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Older Maramu steering system pics

smiles bernard
 

Hi James

Good to hear from you
I know that busy feeling !
We leave the uk on the 17th and have thew house to clear for rental plus everyone but me has a vomiting bug! 

I'm very glad the pics are helpful :)
yes very very little wear on the racks
yes the cables are adjusted at the quadrant 
you can see the adjustment points on the attached pic

I actually dont know how these work. I had to slacken off one side to allow for the reassembly so i need to look at is again and readjust things but its a strange set up. The locking/adjustment nuts either side of the tube clamp are held captive by a large washer with tabs on it (just about visible on the pic). So i cant quite figure out how you are supposed to adjust things as the nuts wont turn as they are held in place

I'll have another look once we are afloat again

Thanks so much for the thoughts on the anode attachments. I will check .... i did not remove the anode of connecting bolt so i'm not sure if it had to be screwed out of if its just pushed through a whole in the rudder metal.
I'll see it the yard can thread it if not, put a bigger threaded bar in place and oversize the anode holes

She's had all her antifoul and primer stripped
which revealed the hull in good shape - nice and dry but no gelcoat - in places you can see the fiber. I think it must have been stripped before. The yard is suggesting 4 or 5 coats of epoxy before the coppercoat. Do you think that sounds about right?


Hope you manage to find some space between the work to rest soon



All the very best

Miles

On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 1:37:06 AM GMT+1, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Miles,


   Sorry that I did not comment on these excellent photos earlier, we have been doing the 70-80 hour work week thing lately so a few things have had to slide a bit.  (grin)  The center photo of the rack is interesting to me since it appears that there is very little wear!  It is very helpful to see how some of these bits come apart since I have not taken the steering system on Sueño apart yet so thanks for sharing.

    Can you tell me if the cables are adjusted at the quadrant end or at the other end?  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:12 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from smiles bernard included below]

Hey folks 

I thought these might be of interest for those with older Maramus with the morse red cables and the Morse 401 commander steering system.  

I know it would have helped me to have had these so hope they are helpful for any future service plans

All the best
Miles 


















Re: keep short poles up?

Alan Leslie
 

Totally agree with Bill and Bill
If you're not sailing downwind, put the poles away....all of them..it's not that difficult and could save you $000's on torn sails, chafed sheets...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Alan Leslie
 

Barry,
It really doesn't matter what they say about boat length, it's the capacity of the pump that's important and the Viking 32 has very similar specs to the original pump,.
On the plus side, it's a lot less expensive, easier to get spares for ... we had to make a new mount for it which I made out of a nylon cutting board by drilling holes in the appropriate places...oh and the inlet and outlet hoses are bigger than the original, so I swapped the outlet for the manual pump and used an adaptor at the hose end of that to keep the same bore from the sump through the Viking pump to the outlet.
We've had it for nearly 2 years now and it's working fine.
Cheers
alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Thank’s Alan,
That does seem a good option, I like the hand crank option on it. 
Do you find that it is big enough for your boat? The specs I saw indicated that is suits boats up to 40ft.
Changing the kit on the AMFA is very awkward and I can now see that my PVC cover plate is warped a bit. 
Best Regards
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank’s Mohammad,

I will phone them this morning.
Best
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:33 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: bow thruster seal replacement

Alan Leslie
 

Rather difficult
You need the Amel special tool so that you can drop the bowthruster drive tube and propellor out of the bottom of the boat, bring it topside and then you can service it...oil, prop shaft seal, foam seal..
BUT it may be that you just need to adjust the cables so that the bowthruster is up compressing the seals when you put the pin in.
There is information in the files section on how to do that..
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Musket Cove, Fiji
  


Re: AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Alan Leslie
 

That nylon gear seems to be the weakest part in that pump. 
When ours failed in New Caledonia 2 years ago, we replaced it with a Johnson Viking 32 and bought spares with it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 Musket Cove, Fiji 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Thank’s Mohammad,
I will phone them this morning.
Best
Barry


On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:33 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry;
 
We ordered our spare pump and spare gear from Amel.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Barry Connor
 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boots for spreaders

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi James,
I find that it depends on the sea conditions and point of sail. On my recent passage to the Azores we only motored about 24 hrs all told.
With a smooth sea and apparent wind forward we sailed in the lightest of airs with the sails quiet.
At times doing 3 kn boat speed. However one night sailing in the front we had 30-42 kn true wind dead astern. Rough and confused with a cross swell. The front passed and wind dropped to 12-15  kn true, still dead aft. The slatting was horrible, nerve jangling and terrible for the sails. We motored for 8 hours, bare poled down wind in a solid breeze. Once the sea settled down we started sailing again. Saved a lot of wear and tear.

No hard and fast rules.

Nick s/y Amelia #54


On 24 Jun 2018, at 00:40, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill Rouse,


   Thanks for sharing some of the rules that you use when deciding when to sail, motor sail or just motor that I assume were developed over many years of sailing your Amel.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:52 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



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