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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Arno;
 
Welcome to the group and the Amel family.
 
I second Ruedi's opinion. We have used Micron 77 and it has performed well in the Med. If anything does manage to attach itself to the hull after a long stay in a marina, a nice day sail cleans it all up.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 

Congratulation Arno

I had the same question few month a go. 
After a nice forum member mentioned that an Amel has to go out of water for the change of 'c-drive shaft bearing' every 2-3 year anyhow, I decided for traditional Micron-77 AF. Hope this works in MedSea ;-)

Ruedi
Wasabi A54#55
Sailing Cyclades


On 26 Jun 2018, at 22:06, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Arno congratulations!! 

Coppercoat designed to keep you boat in the water for longer without having to pull it to repaint yet you will have to service your Seadrive every 2 years which works nicely for new antifoul.  It is still a choice and matter of opinion but from my little bit of research sticking with traditional antifoul works best for us.
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin 54 #101
Grenada
-----Original Message-----
From: arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 2:05 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 
Dear Forum,

After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.
She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.
We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.

My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?

I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months...

Regards

Arno
A54 - Luna


Top mast backstay attachment

svsunnyside
 

Good day Amelians
Has anybody run the adventure to take apart the 14x150 mm SS axel from the top of the main mast where the back stay fitting is attached ?  I foud it well "welded" to the aluminum support and after several days of corrosionX , plastic hammer and drill in Hammer mode , it does not moves at all. Back stay and Maroquin are taken apart and their fittings that stay on the mast mouves freely now .  Next step , heat and the previus steps.
Any tip could help and would be greatly apreciated. Thank you in advance.

Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219
At Todomar Yard Cartagena


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations Arno!

See you soon!

Alexandre




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On Tue, 6/26/18, arno.luijten@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 1:06 PM


 









Dear Forum,
After quite some time
lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to
Amel owners , we finally managed to
get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain
the ownership by mid-July.She is a 2009 Amel 54 in
dire need of a lot of t.l.c.We will bring her to
Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the
remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with
the extensive process to bring her back to her original
“Grandeur”.
My first
question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable
for an Amel?
I’m sure many
other questions will pop up in the coming months.
Regards
ArnoA54 - Luna


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Travel on the US East Coast

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Brent,
I plan to do the U.S. east coast next year.
I was wondering if you could forward some of the information that you got?
Appreciate if that was possible,
Best regards,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15

On Thursday, May 31, 2018, 1:10:33 PM GMT-4, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

alt

Brent Cameron smiled at you


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D3-110 won't start - instruments won't even light up?

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Scott,
I was wondering if you found out what the cause for your problems with the Volvo was and how you resolved it.
Thanks a lot,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15

On Saturday, June 2, 2018, 12:16:25 PM GMT-4, jose.esteller@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Bill AND SCOTT. I do not know how to use the site amelyachtowners@...
that's why I'm sending you this message regarding SCOTT's problem
1- At CORFU GOUVIA there is an excellent VOLVO agent who is very competent and very reasonably priced. I make him do my big services on my D3 110 when I go to Gouvia
2-Two years ago my engine stopped in the open Ionian Sea, and he could not restart it. A few hours before I had a warning message: "fuel service needed" on the EVC, but I did not do anything.
I changed the fuel filter and the engine restarted, while like that of SCOTT he did not want to restart (the starter was not running either)
Maybe what I tell you might be useful to SCOTT
Regards José AMEL 54 ORION


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Congratulation Arno

I had the same question few month a go. 
After a nice forum member mentioned that an Amel has to go out of water for the change of 'c-drive shaft bearing' every 2-3 year anyhow, I decided for traditional Micron-77 AF. Hope this works in MedSea ;-)

Ruedi
Wasabi A54#55
Sailing Cyclades


On 26 Jun 2018, at 22:06, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Arno congratulations!! 

Coppercoat designed to keep you boat in the water for longer without having to pull it to repaint yet you will have to service your Seadrive every 2 years which works nicely for new antifoul.  It is still a choice and matter of opinion but from my little bit of research sticking with traditional antifoul works best for us.
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin 54 #101
Grenada
-----Original Message-----
From: arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 2:05 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 
Dear Forum,

After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.
She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.
We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.

My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?

I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months..

Regards

Arno
A54 - Luna


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Courtney Gorman
 

Arno congratulations!! 
Coppercoat designed to keep you boat in the water for longer without having to pull it to repaint yet you will have to service your Seadrive every 2 years which works nicely for new antifoul.  It is still a choice and matter of opinion but from my little bit of research sticking with traditional antifoul works best for us.
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin 54 #101
Grenada

-----Original Message-----
From: arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 2:05 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 
Dear Forum,

After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.
She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.
We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.

My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?

I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.

Regards

Arno
A54 - Luna


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Arno,

I have Coppercoat on my SM.  Some of Bill Rouse’s cautions apply.. such as the growth of algaeon the hull.  However, I have NO barnacles whatsoever after 3 years in the Med, Caribbean, Panama and Pacific.  

Yes, I do clean the hull every 2 months.

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.

On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:30, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Arno,
I'll be in Caracao in the end of July/August timeframe with my boat. Would be nice to meet then. Do you have a local phone?
Best regards,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15


On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 2:12:37 PM GMT-4, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Arno,
I'll be in Caracao in the end of July/August timeframe with my boat. Would be nice to meet then. Do you have a local phone?
Best regards,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15


On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 2:12:37 PM GMT-4, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 

The answer is simple for tropical waters. If you enjoy diving and scraping your hull every 2-4 months, coppercoat is fine. However, if you do not and want something more actively involved in controlling barnacles and growth, look for an active inhibitor antifouling...there are lots of opinions on which to use.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:05 PM arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna


Finally a real forum member

Arno Luijten
 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna


Finally a real forum member

Arno Luijten
 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

Could be...just another "expert."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 12:20 PM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The bonding of the rig and lifeline railing on the post Henri Amel boats


I am not sure but in the back of my mind it might be something to do with the European Craft Directive. 


Nick
Amelia   (AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 18:04, Hanspeter Bättig hanspeter..baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill
The solar panels of your previous boat from Riza where , still are fixed on an aluminum frame !

Hanspeter
Tamango 2


----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@...
Datum : 26/06/2018 - 18:16 (MS)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Cc : jamescromie@...
Betreff : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

James,

I believe that if you assembled an expert panel to discuss this issue consisting of Nigel Calder, Henri Amel, Joe Dwyer (lightning expert), the best marine surveyors, and others, the shining star on that panel would be Henri Amel. Sure, that belief is personal and could be argued. Maybe what cannot be argued on this issue is that more design, effort, and money is has been but into each Amel Yacht during the last 20 years than any other builder of production pleasure yachts. I personally have had issues with a few Nigel Calder doctrines, but I can understand when he write these as "one-fits-all-boats" he certainly can be a little 'Off" on one design/boat.

From personal experience:
I do not believe that bonding is required on the arch of a SM anymore than its life rail, standing rigging and masts...they are not bonded by Amel, so Henri Amel agrees. My guess is, that as unpredictable as lightning is, it 
almost always strikes the masts. 
​BTW, ​
I am thankful for the carbon fiber masts...they make excellent lightning rods. I have twice experienced lightning strikes in anchorages where "unpredictable lightning" struck boat
​s​
with a carbon fiber mast
​s​
, and left all the rest of us mostly untouched.


Little side note: After Henri died, the management of Amel decided to add some things 
to the Amel bonding system
​ ​
like standing rigging and life rail
​. I wonder whose research they used, or maybe they thought it is easier to bond, than to explain? I will never know the answer to that question.​
 

EARTH to the Arch & Frames:
I do not think that DC Negative is attached to the solar panel frame. How do you know that it is? Home solar installations normally require a "safety ground" a/k/a EARTH attached to the frames, then to EARTH. It is possible that some expert, somewhere, has googled this point and relayed it to you. Remember DC Negative is not EARTH, and your Amel does not have an EARTH circuit for DC Voltage. I believe that the arch is isolated from DC Positive and Negative, and if so, connecting the Arch to Amel bonding is OK, but probably not necessary. Probably more important is dissimilar metal corrosion when using stainless steel and aluminum in the same construction. I know this is probably not the case with your Emek Arch, which is stainless, but, do your panels have aluminum frames?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Re lightening: this subject opens a can of worms with lots of theories. You should read Nigel Calder’s book. He explains the various ideas. Personally I am not at all convinced of one argument nor another. 


 My view re potential electrolysis is that on balance every metal fitting should be linked to the bonding system, but the important ones are the sea water exposed ones like through hull fittings and sea water pumps. The idea being that there is no potential difference between any one piece of hardware and another. 

Nick (Amelia hull 019 AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 13:02, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you for your input and experience. I waS also not originally planning to bond the frame. Your points about the other metallic fixtures are good. However, I wonder about how this situation may be different considering the arch is holding a high voltage system. My feeling is it should not matter as long as the solar power circuit “-“ is well insulated from the housing. 


What about the potential risk related to lightening? Is this at all relevant?

Pardon my ignorance!

James


On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:42 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting....

We have a stainless arch with solar panels and a wind generator on a separate mount, but none of this framework is connected to the bonding system.
I'm not sure that this is necessary.
None of the other stainless structures on the boat are connected to the bonding system.
The masts and rigging aren't, neither are the rails around the boat, nor the bow roller fitments.
I'd be interested to know what others think about this
Olivier ? Bill R ? Bill K?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

Yes, Hanspeter...

Sometimes, well most of the time, I speak from experience, and sometimes it is personal.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM Hanspeter Bättig hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill
The solar panels of your previous boat from Riza where , still are fixed on an aluminum frame !

Hanspeter
Tamango 2


----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@...
Datum : 26/06/2018 - 18:16 (MS)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Cc : jamescromie@...
Betreff : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

James,

I believe that if you assembled an expert panel to discuss this issue consisting of Nigel Calder, Henri Amel, Joe Dwyer (lightning expert), the best marine surveyors, and others, the shining star on that panel would be Henri Amel. Sure, that belief is personal and could be argued. Maybe what cannot be argued on this issue is that more design, effort, and money is has been but into each Amel Yacht during the last 20 years than any other builder of production pleasure yachts. I personally have had issues with a few Nigel Calder doctrines, but I can understand when he write these as "one-fits-all-boats" he certainly can be a little 'Off" on one design/boat.

From personal experience:
I do not believe that bonding is required on the arch of a SM anymore than its life rail, standing rigging and masts...they are not bonded by Amel, so Henri Amel agrees. My guess is, that as unpredictable as lightning is, it
almost always strikes the masts.
​BTW, ​
I am thankful for the carbon fiber masts...they make excellent lightning rods. I have twice experienced lightning strikes in anchorages where "unpredictable lightning" struck boat
​s​
with a carbon fiber mast
​s​
, and left all the rest of us mostly untouched.


Little side note: After Henri died, the management of Amel decided to add some things 
to the Amel bonding system
​ ​
like standing rigging and life rail
​. I wonder whose research they used, or maybe they thought it is easier to bond, than to explain? I will never know the answer to that question.​
 

EARTH to the Arch & Frames:
I do not think that DC Negative is attached to the solar panel frame. How do you know that it is? Home solar installations normally require a "safety ground" a/k/a EARTH attached to the frames, then to EARTH. It is possible that some expert, somewhere, has googled this point and relayed it to you. Remember DC Negative is not EARTH, and your Amel does not have an EARTH circuit for DC Voltage. I believe that the arch is isolated from DC Positive and Negative, and if so, connecting the Arch to Amel bonding is OK, but probably not necessary. Probably more important is dissimilar metal corrosion when using stainless steel and aluminum in the same construction. I know this is probably not the case with your Emek Arch, which is stainless, but, do your panels have aluminum frames?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Re lightening: this subject opens a can of worms with lots of theories. You should read Nigel Calder’s book. He explains the various ideas. Personally I am not at all convinced of one argument nor another. 


 My view re potential electrolysis is that on balance every metal fitting should be linked to the bonding system, but the important ones are the sea water exposed ones like through hull fittings and sea water pumps. The idea being that there is no potential difference between any one piece of hardware and another. 

Nick (Amelia hull 019 AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 13:02, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you for your input and experience. I waS also not originally planning to bond the frame. Your points about the other metallic fixtures are good. However, I wonder about how this situation may be different considering the arch is holding a high voltage system. My feeling is it should not matter as long as the solar power circuit “-“ is well insulated from the housing. 


What about the potential risk related to lightening? Is this at all relevant?

Pardon my ignorance!

James


On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:42 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting....

We have a stainless arch with solar panels and a wind generator on a separate mount, but none of this framework is connected to the bonding system.
I'm not sure that this is necessary.
None of the other stainless structures on the boat are connected to the bonding system.
The masts and rigging aren't, neither are the rails around the boat, nor the bow roller fitments.
I'd be interested to know what others think about this
Olivier ? Bill R ? Bill K?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

ngtnewington Newington
 

The bonding of the rig and lifeline railing on the post Henri Amel boats

I am not sure but in the back of my mind it might be something to do with the European Craft Directive. 


Nick
Amelia   (AML 54)

On 26 Jun 2018, at 18:04, Hanspeter Bättig hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill
The solar panels of your previous boat from Riza where , still are fixed on an aluminum frame !

Hanspeter
Tamango 2


----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@...
Datum : 26/06/2018 - 18:16 (MS)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Cc : jamescromie@...
Betreff : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

James,

I believe that if you assembled an expert panel to discuss this issue consisting of Nigel Calder, Henri Amel, Joe Dwyer (lightning expert), the best marine surveyors, and others, the shining star on that panel would be Henri Amel. Sure, that belief is personal and could be argued. Maybe what cannot be argued on this issue is that more design, effort, and money is has been but into each Amel Yacht during the last 20 years than any other builder of production pleasure yachts. I personally have had issues with a few Nigel Calder doctrines, but I can understand when he write these as "one-fits-all-boats" he certainly can be a little 'Off" on one design/boat.

From personal experience:
I do not believe that bonding is required on the arch of a SM anymore than its life rail, standing rigging and masts...they are not bonded by Amel, so Henri Amel agrees. My guess is, that as unpredictable as lightning is, it 
almost always strikes the masts. 
​BTW, ​
I am thankful for the carbon fiber masts...they make excellent lightning rods. I have twice experienced lightning strikes in anchorages where "unpredictable lightning" struck boat
​s​
with a carbon fiber mast
​s​
, and left all the rest of us mostly untouched.


Little side note: After Henri died, the management of Amel decided to add some things 
to the Amel bonding system
​ ​
like standing rigging and life rail
​. I wonder whose research they used, or maybe they thought it is easier to bond, than to explain? I will never know the answer to that question.​
 

EARTH to the Arch & Frames:
I do not think that DC Negative is attached to the solar panel frame. How do you know that it is? Home solar installations normally require a "safety ground" a/k/a EARTH attached to the frames, then to EARTH. It is possible that some expert, somewhere, has googled this point and relayed it to you. Remember DC Negative is not EARTH, and your Amel does not have an EARTH circuit for DC Voltage. I believe that the arch is isolated from DC Positive and Negative, and if so, connecting the Arch to Amel bonding is OK, but probably not necessary. Probably more important is dissimilar metal corrosion when using stainless steel and aluminum in the same construction. I know this is probably not the case with your Emek Arch, which is stainless, but, do your panels have aluminum frames?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Re lightening: this subject opens a can of worms with lots of theories. You should read Nigel Calder’s book. He explains the various ideas. Personally I am not at all convinced of one argument nor another. 


 My view re potential electrolysis is that on balance every metal fitting should be linked to the bonding system, but the important ones are the sea water exposed ones like through hull fittings and sea water pumps. The idea being that there is no potential difference between any one piece of hardware and another. 

Nick (Amelia hull 019 AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 13:02, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you for your input and experience. I waS also not originally planning to bond the frame. Your points about the other metallic fixtures are good. However, I wonder about how this situation may be different considering the arch is holding a high voltage system. My feeling is it should not matter as long as the solar power circuit “-“ is well insulated from the housing. 


What about the potential risk related to lightening? Is this at all relevant?

Pardon my ignorance!

James


On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:42 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting....

We have a stainless arch with solar panels and a wind generator on a separate mount, but none of this framework is connected to the bonding system.
I'm not sure that this is necessary.
None of the other stainless structures on the boat are connected to the bonding system.
The masts and rigging aren't, neither are the rails around the boat, nor the bow roller fitments.
I'd be interested to know what others think about this
Olivier ? Bill R ? Bill K?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

hanspeter baettig
 

Bill
The solar panels of your previous boat from Riza where , still are fixed on an aluminum frame !

Hanspeter
Tamango 2


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James,

I believe that if you assembled an expert panel to discuss this issue consisting of Nigel Calder, Henri Amel, Joe Dwyer (lightning expert), the best marine surveyors, and others, the shining star on that panel would be Henri Amel. Sure, that belief is personal and could be argued. Maybe what cannot be argued on this issue is that more design, effort, and money is has been but into each Amel Yacht during the last 20 years than any other builder of production pleasure yachts. I personally have had issues with a few Nigel Calder doctrines, but I can understand when he write these as "one-fits-all-boats" he certainly can be a little 'Off" on one design/boat.

From personal experience:
I do not believe that bonding is required on the arch of a SM anymore than its life rail, standing rigging and masts...they are not bonded by Amel, so Henri Amel agrees. My guess is, that as unpredictable as lightning is, it
almost always strikes the masts.
​BTW, ​
I am thankful for the carbon fiber masts...they make excellent lightning rods. I have twice experienced lightning strikes in anchorages where "unpredictable lightning" struck boat
​s​
with a carbon fiber mast
​s​
, and left all the rest of us mostly untouched.


Little side note: After Henri died, the management of Amel decided to add some things 
to the Amel bonding system
​ ​
like standing rigging and life rail
​. I wonder whose research they used, or maybe they thought it is easier to bond, than to explain? I will never know the answer to that question.​
 

EARTH to the Arch & Frames:
I do not think that DC Negative is attached to the solar panel frame. How do you know that it is? Home solar installations normally require a "safety ground" a/k/a EARTH attached to the frames, then to EARTH. It is possible that some expert, somewhere, has googled this point and relayed it to you. Remember DC Negative is not EARTH, and your Amel does not have an EARTH circuit for DC Voltage. I believe that the arch is isolated from DC Positive and Negative, and if so, connecting the Arch to Amel bonding is OK, but probably not necessary. Probably more important is dissimilar metal corrosion when using stainless steel and aluminum in the same construction. I know this is probably not the case with your Emek Arch, which is stainless, but, do your panels have aluminum frames?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Re lightening: this subject opens a can of worms with lots of theories. You should read Nigel Calder’s book. He explains the various ideas. Personally I am not at all convinced of one argument nor another. 


 My view re potential electrolysis is that on balance every metal fitting should be linked to the bonding system, but the important ones are the sea water exposed ones like through hull fittings and sea water pumps. The idea being that there is no potential difference between any one piece of hardware and another. 

Nick (Amelia hull 019 AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 13:02, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you for your input and experience. I waS also not originally planning to bond the frame. Your points about the other metallic fixtures are good. However, I wonder about how this situation may be different considering the arch is holding a high voltage system. My feeling is it should not matter as long as the solar power circuit “-“ is well insulated from the housing. 


What about the potential risk related to lightening? Is this at all relevant?

Pardon my ignorance!

James


On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:42 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting....

We have a stainless arch with solar panels and a wind generator on a separate mount, but none of this framework is connected to the bonding system.
I'm not sure that this is necessary.
None of the other stainless structures on the boat are connected to the bonding system.
The masts and rigging aren't, neither are the rails around the boat, nor the bow roller fitments.
I'd be interested to know what others think about this
Olivier ? Bill R ? Bill K?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated grounding question - solar installation

 

James,

I believe that if you assembled an expert panel to discuss this issue consisting of Nigel Calder, Henri Amel, Joe Dwyer (lightning expert), the best marine surveyors, and others, the shining star on that panel would be Henri Amel. Sure, that belief is personal and could be argued. Maybe what cannot be argued on this issue is that more design, effort, and money is has been but into each Amel Yacht during the last 20 years than any other builder of production pleasure yachts. I personally have had issues with a few Nigel Calder doctrines, but I can understand when he write these as "one-fits-all-boats" he certainly can be a little 'Off" on one design/boat.

From personal experience:
I do not believe that bonding is required on the arch of a SM anymore than its life rail, standing rigging and masts...they are not bonded by Amel, so Henri Amel agrees. My guess is, that as unpredictable as lightning is, it
almost always strikes the masts.
​BTW, ​
I am thankful for the carbon fiber masts...they make excellent lightning rods. I have twice experienced lightning strikes in anchorages where "unpredictable lightning" struck boat
​s​
with a carbon fiber mast
​s​
, and left all the rest of us mostly untouched.


Little side note: After Henri died, the management of Amel decided to add some things 
to the Amel bonding system
​ ​
like standing rigging and life rail
​. I wonder whose research they used, or maybe they thought it is easier to bond, than to explain? I will never know the answer to that question.​
 

EARTH to the Arch & Frames:
I do not think that DC Negative is attached to the solar panel frame. How do you know that it is? Home solar installations normally require a "safety ground" a/k/a EARTH attached to the frames, then to EARTH. It is possible that some expert, somewhere, has googled this point and relayed it to you. Remember DC Negative is not EARTH, and your Amel does not have an EARTH circuit for DC Voltage. I believe that the arch is isolated from DC Positive and Negative, and if so, connecting the Arch to Amel bonding is OK, but probably not necessary. Probably more important is dissimilar metal corrosion when using stainless steel and aluminum in the same construction. I know this is probably not the case with your Emek Arch, which is stainless, but, do your panels have aluminum frames?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970







On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Re lightening: this subject opens a can of worms with lots of theories. You should read Nigel Calder’s book. He explains the various ideas. Personally I am not at all convinced of one argument nor another. 


 My view re potential electrolysis is that on balance every metal fitting should be linked to the bonding system, but the important ones are the sea water exposed ones like through hull fittings and sea water pumps. The idea being that there is no potential difference between any one piece of hardware and another. 

Nick (Amelia hull 019 AML 54)
On 26 Jun 2018, at 13:02, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank you for your input and experience. I waS also not originally planning to bond the frame. Your points about the other metallic fixtures are good. However, I wonder about how this situation may be different considering the arch is holding a high voltage system. My feeling is it should not matter as long as the solar power circuit “-“ is well insulated from the housing. 


What about the potential risk related to lightening? Is this at all relevant?

Pardon my ignorance!

James


On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:42 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting....

We have a stainless arch with solar panels and a wind generator on a separate mount, but none of this framework is connected to the bonding system.
I'm not sure that this is necessary.
None of the other stainless structures on the boat are connected to the bonding system.
The masts and rigging aren't, neither are the rails around the boat, nor the bow roller fitments.
I'd be interested to know what others think about this
Olivier ? Bill R ? Bill K?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Go

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

IridiumGO has worked well on my boat. Of course there is the 2.4k bandwith limitation that comes with every Iridium connection..
Buy the external antenna and place it at a good spot where nothing disturbs the connection.
Cheers, Alex
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54

On Friday, June 22, 2018, 7:28:10 PM GMT-4, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Agreed Kent. Now that my external antenna is working my iridium go is very good too. 

Not fast but reliable. Like my Amel. 
Porter
54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jun 22, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Pat,

I have an Iridium phone with a gadget that uses the phone to create a Bluetooth WiFi hotspot.  I use it to get weather and do email.  It was less than satisfactory until I added a permanent antenna.  Now it’s awesome...good signal, fast downloads.  Maybe the bad reviews are from people like me before my new antenna???

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMFA bilge pump gear sprocket broken

Porter McRoberts
 

I had the same thing happen on my Amel 54
Amel in Martinique had them 
But as I am becoming more and more intimate with machine shops and hardware stores in the Caribbean and panama  I have seen replacements commonly. 

I’d take that piston and bolt gearbox with you onto the city and I bet you’ll find either a guy who can repair it or some replacements. 

I hope that helps. 

Porter. 
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jun 25, 2018, at 1:13 AM, connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,
Can anyone advise me how to get and repair the gear sprocket in the AMFA bilge pump on my Amel 54.
When the pump stopped working I thought it was needing the service kit, I replaced all the inner parts but then discovered that the gear sprocket had broken. The 24v electric motor is running fine. Can this nylon/plastic part be obtained and replaced?

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


Re: Cam lock on main halyard?

Peter de Groot
 

Thank you Alan. The part I was missing is letting the knot go through the slot in the mast. I will experiment this weekend.
Regarding the bottom batten pocket of the main. I’m planning to get a new sail before we cruise. The leech of the current sail is not in the best of shape. I have not helped it with some of my clumsy furling. It frequently hangs up while unfurling

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