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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

I agree with Bill K. about dual cycle and it's one of the reasons we chose Webasto. Before deciding on this brand, I talked or met with many if the major manufacturers and several installers. Many installers say it's OK but most manufacturers are increasingly backing away from marketing or endorsing their products for dual cycle usage. 

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 12:34 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our boat had the CoastalAir units installed.  The one in the main saloon is still going strong (after 23 years), the aft cabin unit died 2 years ago when the check valve in the compressor stuck.


We replaced it with one from MarinAire.  Pretty much a drop in replacement if you use the 8000BTU unit for the aft cabin.  

Nothing to report, other than it works as needed--when needed.  Price was excellent.  Delivery was quick from Florida.  Engineering looks good.  Time will tell...

No matter which unit you use, it helps to be sure that the system will work on either 50 or 60 hz systems.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Webasto FCF Platinum. Three 10,000 BTU units. 220/40V. 50/60Hz. This is one of the few brands that still have the dual rating.

March brand AC-5C-MD pump. 1000 gph located on floor next to fresh water pump in engine room.

Locations. One fwd cabin (beneath fwd part of the v-berth). One in main salon (aft portside corner of the horseshoe). One in aft head (behind toilet).

Draws about 14-15 amps when all units are running.

Total price for all of the above (not including other supplies) when ordered from Defender and delivered to Florida was about $5800.

To reiterate, it is still early in the lifecycle of these units and Bill Rouse's advice is spot on. It's impossible for me to say when they will begin to show signs of age. But I know that AMEL Martinique does install this brand. And frankly, if they only worked as long as CLIMMA then at least they can be replaced and the total amount spent for two sets of units (here in North America) would only equal the cost of ONE set of CLIMMAs.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Mark

Thanks a ton. We have cleaned those connectors up many times with a toothbrush etc... but did not yet think of spraying them with CorrosionX. Will do so in the morning, but I really want at permanent fix for this switch now. Have totally had enough of going into the engine room with a screw driver when wanting to brush my teeth!

Just wrote to Thierry at Amel now too to see why it has taken them so long to source this too.

Also what are the spare "D switches" you talk of? Are those the little contact points or are you talking about a complete spare switch which is available.

I could not find those files, will have another look tonight.

Best regards

Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Grand Bay, Mauritius


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:00 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

 

The issue with your fresh water pump most likely lies inside the pressure switch with the connectors. We had a similar issue  a couple of months ago and treated the connectors with some Corrosion X and cleaned them. I carry a couple of spare D pressure switches and was ready to replace the entire switch but so far the Corrosion X has worked its magic.

 

There are some instructions to setting and wiring the pressure switch in the files section (I think Bill Rouse posted from Bebe). The file also has links to online instructions.

 

Also, the pressure switches are readily available at a good hardware or pump store. This is a common switch.

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

 

 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.

 

The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).

 

Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!

 

A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.

 

With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.

 

In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.

 

Fair winds & following seas

 

Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

Mark Erdos
 

Colin,

 

The issue with your fresh water pump most likely lies inside the pressure switch with the connectors. We had a similar issue  a couple of months ago and treated the connectors with some Corrosion X and cleaned them. I carry a couple of spare D pressure switches and was ready to replace the entire switch but so far the Corrosion X has worked its magic.

 

There are some instructions to setting and wiring the pressure switch in the files section (I think Bill Rouse posted from Bebe). The file also has links to online instructions.

 

Also, the pressure switches are readily available at a good hardware or pump store. This is a common switch.

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

 

 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.

 

The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).

 

Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!

 

A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.

 

With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.

 

In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.

 

Fair winds & following seas

 

Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com

Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.


The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).


Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!


A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.


With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.


In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.


Fair winds & following seas


Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

 

Martin,

Your question: The answer is as complicated and long as the progression of technology, which caused many (not all) of your problems. I firmly believe that replacing the units with Climma, or any other brand, will just bring you to a higher altitude in the death spiral toward failure. In other words a replacement will probably give you trouble-free service for 4-5 years before experiencing what you are experiencing now.

Some other things: I have witnessed on more than one occasion a technician hooking up gauges, and invoicing for freon when what he found was a loose wire. Air conditioning and refrigeration seldom needs freon or refrigerant. My guess is that something like 10% of the time that refrigerant is added or invoiced, does the system need actually need refrigerant. I know lots of people who will dispute this, but they cannot change my opinion. The older Climma A/Cs used analog controls which included mechanical switches, thermostats and relays...they also included 5 capacitors. The new Climma systems have digital switches, thermostats and relays...and one capacitor. These systems, like many other things are designed to replace the entire PCB when things don't work. It is another case where the digital system is lasting much less than the old analog systems. It is a BIG thing and it involves so much more than your A/C.

More to your answer: As long as the saltwater heat exchanger (condenser) and the compressor including the sealed refrigerant parts are working properly, I would attempt to repair, rather than replace. If you replace, I am not sure that today it makes any difference as to brand because none will last as long as the older systems. I wish that I could offer more encouragement. I am sure that you will find someone to tell you, "...buy brand X and it will solve all of your problems..."

Reverse Cycle: Think long and hard regarding reverse-cycle heating. I doubt that there is any significant power usage advantage. Your saltwater pump will last half the time if you use heat and cool equally, and there is the barnacle sea chest situation...and, of course, other situations.

I hope my opinions help you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:57 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Tx very much Bill, I didn`t know that.


What is your recommendation to me? My current CLIMMAs constantly develop new leaks and electric failures.

Thank you very much in advance.

Martin

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 17:25 schrieb Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Sadly, it seems to be a trend that is progressing with the progression of technology. The older Climma Compact units made prior to about 2006 lasted 10-20 years with usually the only failures in Capacitors. There is a major difference in the electronics of a newer Climma Compact...so much so, that you would not recognize the newer electronics as being a progression of the older. It isn't just Climma, it is all refrigeration and Air Conditioning systems. I expect the life expectancy of those Climma Compacts made after about 2006 to be half of the earlier generation. The same is true with other brands.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

greatketch@...
 

Our boat had the CoastalAir units installed.  The one in the main saloon is still going strong (after 23 years), the aft cabin unit died 2 years ago when the check valve in the compressor stuck.

We replaced it with one from MarinAire.  Pretty much a drop in replacement if you use the 8000BTU unit for the aft cabin.  

Nothing to report, other than it works as needed--when needed.  Price was excellent.  Delivery was quick from Florida.  Engineering looks good.  Time will tell...

No matter which unit you use, it helps to be sure that the system will work on either 50 or 60 hz systems.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Dessalator DUO 160 Wiring Connections

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

A forum member provided me with the information I needed privately. 

I hope everyone (US folks and others) enjoy the holiday.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising New England

www.RitaKathryn.com

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Tx very much Bill, I didn`t know that.

What is your recommendation to me? My current CLIMMAs constantly develop new leaks and electric failures.

Thank you very much in advance.

Martin

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 17:25 schrieb Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Sadly, it seems to be a trend that is progressing with the progression of technology. The older Climma Compact units made prior to about 2006 lasted 10-20 years with usually the only failures in Capacitors. There is a major difference in the electronics of a newer Climma Compact...so much so, that you would not recognize the newer electronics as being a progression of the older. It isn't just Climma, it is all refrigeration and Air Conditioning systems. I expect the life expectancy of those Climma Compacts made after about 2006 to be half of the earlier generation. The same is true with other brands.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

Miles
 

Hi Kent,

I have replaced the broken spring on two of my handles with bits of rubber from a child’s play ball.   It works most of the time, but if someone wants to investigate having some made, I would like to join in.

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, on a mooring in Newport, RI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries for Amel 54

greatketch@...
 

When talking about batteries on boats there are so many variations it is hard to get any kind of agreement on anything. Even terminology can be a bit fuzzy.

When talking about batteries, if someone says "ordinary batteries" I would take that to mean standard flooded lead acid batteries. Not AGM, not GEL, etc.

If we are talking about "ordinary" flooded lead acid batteries, they tend to come in two flavors, "starting" and "deep cycle".  The difference is real but it is still a qualitative one, and the dividing line between them is not hard and fixed except in the mind of the marketing department.

In general, starting batteries are optimized to discharge very high amperages very quickly, and for very short periods of time, and then to be recharged quickly.  The lead plates are thinner, closer together, and sometimes more porous. They are designed to discharge a minimum of their capacity before being recharged.  Because of the thinner plates, some (but not all!) tend to be more susceptible to damage from vibration and impact than deep cycle batteries.

Deep cycle batteries are designed to deliver lower power loads for longer times.  The plates are much thicker and denser, and further apart. They tolerate deeper discharges much better.  

There can also be some chemistry differences between the two, but these are the highlights.

The way MOST people use their batteries is to discharge them much deeper than 80%.  If I had to guess, I would say most people typically discharge to 60% or 70%. 50% if they work the batteries really hard. Therefore--for most--people the recommendation to use deep cycle rated batteries is a no-brainer.  Starting batteries will die in this use pattern much earlier, quickly eliminating any initial cost benefit.

But... (there is ALWAYS a "but")
If you really discharge your batteries to no lower than 80% (ever) and then quickly recharge them ALL THE WAY back to 100% then "Starting" batteries might, for you, be a cost effective approach.  Even if not "best" they will not be a disaster.  I am sure you can find people who will give you an absolutely confident answer. They probably know a lot more than I do.

Deep cycle batteries might even have a disadvantage on your boat.  Once they get to 80% state of charge, their charge acceptance rate begins to fall, and it can take a VERY long time to bring them back to full.  Topping of "starting" batteries from 80% to 100% would happen much quicker.

Most recommendations for cruising boat batteries assume a much deeper discharge than you expose your batteries to. 

And there are LOTS of other considerations and alternative, but we can ignore those for now...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., <connor_barry@...> wrote :

Hi,
Olivier told me to get ordinary lead acid batteries and don’t let them drop below 80%. With running the generator for about 1 hour each morning and then having solar panels I find that I only sometimes run the generator again in the evening.
Are deep cycle regular batteries? I did see that gell batteries are listed as deep cycle.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Trogir.  Croatia 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

 

Sadly, it seems to be a trend that is progressing with the progression of technology. The older Climma Compact units made prior to about 2006 lasted 10-20 years with usually the only failures in Capacitors. There is a major difference in the electronics of a newer Climma Compact...so much so, that you would not recognize the newer electronics as being a progression of the older. It isn't just Climma, it is all refrigeration and Air Conditioning systems. I expect the life expectancy of those Climma Compacts made after about 2006 to be half of the earlier generation. The same is true with other brands.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi,
Olivier told me to get ordinary lead acid batteries and don’t let them drop below 80%. With running the generator for about 1 hour each morning and then having solar panels I find that I only sometimes run the generator again in the evening.
Are deep cycle regular batteries? I did see that gell batteries are listed as deep cycle.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Trogir.  Croatia 




On Jul 4, 2018, at 14:48, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You are aware that Hankook MF31-750 is a "starting" battery and NOT a deep cycle battery.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:10 AM Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Wolfgang,

Because I was buying 13 batteries the BatteryMegaStore in the UK gave me the post fittings at no extra charge, 26 in total. The batteries are exactly the same size and I still use the original wood spacers between them. Everything still fits very snugly, no movement.
I was fortunate to have a small people mover van for 6 months after I bought the boat in May 2015 and was driving back and forth (Marseille to UK)... Carried these batteries over 2 trips. You will have to check with the France store to see if they will deliver at no charge. The UK store would only deliver at no charge to UK address.

Best Regards
Barry


On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:42, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry,
Did you have to change anything in the batterycompartment, cable, fittings etc for these batteries?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise 




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Hi Wolfgang,

You can look at BatteryMagastore online I got 13 Hankook MF31-750 110Ah in Sept 2015, which cost £70 in UK and in France they now advertise them at about €88. They should last you about 5 years.
This was the best price that I found.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:37, webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Amel sailors, I am on the way to Hyeres /France and want New batteries for our Amel 54.

Charger and everything will not be changed and I would like to buy nearly the same batteries - the originals are from 2010/11. Any recommendations where to buy and which brand ?

Thank you.

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise  Amel 54 # 162 on the way to Bonifacio/France

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Ian,

Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries for Amel 54

 

You are aware that Hankook MF31-750 is a "starting" battery and NOT a deep cycle battery.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:10 AM Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Wolfgang,

Because I was buying 13 batteries the BatteryMegaStore in the UK gave me the post fittings at no extra charge, 26 in total. The batteries are exactly the same size and I still use the original wood spacers between them. Everything still fits very snugly, no movement.
I was fortunate to have a small people mover van for 6 months after I bought the boat in May 2015 and was driving back and forth (Marseille to UK).. Carried these batteries over 2 trips. You will have to check with the France store to see if they will deliver at no charge. The UK store would only deliver at no charge to UK address.

Best Regards
Barry


On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:42, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Barry,
Did you have to change anything in the batterycompartment, cable, fittings etc for these batteries?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise 




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Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries for Amel 54

 

Hi Wolfgang,

You can look at BatteryMagastore online I got 13 Hankook MF31-750 110Ah in Sept 2015, which cost £70 in UK and in France they now advertise them at about €88. They should last you about 5 years.
This was the best price that I found.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Split Croatia


On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:37, webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Amel sailors, I am on the way to Hyeres /France and want New batteries for our Amel 54.

Charger and everything will not be changed and I would like to buy nearly the same batteries - the originals are from 2010/11. Any recommendations where to buy and which brand ?

Thank you.

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise  Amel 54 # 162 on the way to Bonifacio/France

Re: Would anybody take me on a quick sail on a Maramu?

themos_astro
 

Hello Tom, 

Not quite what you are asking for but this Maramu may be available for charters, in Scotland.


Themos Tsikas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

I’ve looked some for replacements, too, also without success.  I was able to repair one latch with a safety pin cut to fit where the old spring fit.
Is this something that could be reproduced using a 3D printer?  If so we could organize and have as many made as everyone needs.

Kent
Kristy/SM243
St Michaels MD

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:18 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve and John,

Do you only need the chrome looking handle part (which is plastic), as I do, or do you also need the brown plastic latching part?  I'm looking into having some made, but only need handles. 

Craig Briggs, SN68, Boca Raton, FL


I need some as well, as I suspect every older SM and Santorin owner does. I’ve been looking for a couple of years with no success. 
Steve Davis  Aloha SM 72  Hawaii

I have one or two spares, but would like to purchase some more as well. 

John SV Annie SM 37 Le Marin, Martinique
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Maud informed me that Amel no longer has the old push-button rectangular drawer pulls. 
Has anyone found a source or a good replacement?

Many thanks, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris

Would anybody take me on a quick sail on a Maramu?

Thomas Nienkemper
 

Hello Amel community,

 

It's been over a year since I started looking into the Amel Maramu as our new home. The knowledge accumulated in this group is phenomenal and really helped me with my decision for this boat.

 

One important piece is still missing though. I did not have the chance to sail a Maramu yet. So, I was wondering if there is anybody in Europe (I live in Switzerland) who would be willing to take me on board to show me how she sails. I know I could do that during sea trials, but I thought it makes sense to do have the experience before - who knows, maybe I don't like it at all ;). 

 

Also: If there is anybody planning to sell within the next 12 months please get in touch – either here or send me an email: thomas.nienkemper@....

 

Best,

Tom