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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

James Studdart
 

You should also check the “sensor” part of the pressure switch. Unscrew it from the rest of the pump and look down the short pipe where the water presses on the switch. We replaced ours but I cleaned up the old one as a spare... it’s now doing good service on a friends SM.

Cheers,
James
SeaBean, SM344
Vava’u, Tonga

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:36 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The company Square D makes a wide selection of pressure switches that would be suitable. Pick your liquid connection size, and your pressure range, and your are good to go.

Like the original, the are simple, robust, mechanical. They are widely available at least in the US.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

Hi Miles,  and Hi to Carol,

May the Fourth be with you all!

I will look into the possibility of having some made. I will get back to the group when I find something out.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:53 AM, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

I have replaced the broken spring on two of my handles with bits of rubber from a child’s play ball.   It works most of the time, but if someone wants to investigate having some made, I would like to join in.

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, on a mooring in Newport, RI


SM stern bumper

william_maffei@...
 

After 4 years, the stern bumper on my SM was lost at sea. She was in rough shape and lived a long life. Wondering if anyone had one they wanted to get rid of or had any luck getting a new one from Amel. I read somewhere that a member waited 2 years for one. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei

It's all Good 

SM #195


ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Peter de Groot
 

Greetings all,

 Last weekend we needed to close the holding tanks for an overnight anchorage close to shore, and the forward tank valve would not budge.  After multiple days of penetrating fluid treatment, I broke the stem off. The valves had been left open for over 9 months.  The aft holding tank valve moved freely.


I was about to attempt to remove the broken valve, but realized this could get ugly very quickly.  So I'm asking the group if anyone has had to do this delightful job, and if so are there any tips?

Also, I would love to have a replacement valve in hand before removing the broken one.  Has anyone sourced these?

Does anyone have a complete specification? thread type? inch or metric or BSP tapered?

What is the connection to the hull?  fiberglass to a male threaded nipple? then nipple to valve? It seems that there might be a risk of damaging the hull connection so I would like to understand the construction technique Amel used.


It seems the valve is at or just above the waterline...so I'm being a little more cautious than I usually am.


I'm also weighing the possible advantage of taking out the toilet and cubby hole paneling in order to get better access to the valve.  This also doesn't seem very straight forward.


Thanks in advance for any guidance.


Peter de Groot

La Querida SM 207

Moss Landing, California



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Maybe it’s the newer units on Trippin 2008 54 #101 no problem with heat or AC we are the 3rd owners original equipment 
So sorry for your difficulties 
Courtney 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Martin, I can relate my experience and opinion on the air conditioning on my 54. I am not interested in entering into a debate but offer my opinion only.
Four years ago I replaced the a/c in the main cabin with a unit from Flagship Marine from Stuart Florida, on recommendation from a trusted friend. The unit is terrible. Too noisy, much vibration, it cycles and you hear the loud on and off of the compressor, and related to the limited ducting, there is not enough air flow to cool well enough. I often do not run it because it is so annoying.
This past winter I was In Martinique and the day before my scheduled departure the aft cabin unit failed. The salt air had rotted the fins and the gas leaked out, it was trash. The local provider, Caraibe Marine, had on hand a unit and installed it in my time frame, so there was no shopping for the right unit, I bought what was available. It is a Frigomar, self contained unit referred to as the inverter series. It is the BEST! Whisper quiet. It is powered by the 230 volt already there, 50 or 60 Hz., but the fan and compressor both are DC variable speed drives, so no noise and no large current draw at start. It starts very slow and quiet, ramps up to what is needed, can cool the aft cabin so you could hang meat.
I like it so well, if I were in a place where I could have it done, and cost was no object, I would replace both the other units with like systems.
It does include heat pump heat. I have never used heat on my boat as I have always been in the tropics, so I can not comment on the heat.
I would be happy to answer any questions if you want to email me direct.

Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31
currently stored in Raiatea, French Polynesia
--


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Bill and Martin:

For clarity and when referring to my last email on this where I used the term "dual cycle", I was talking about dual cycle in the context of 50/60Hz (not heating and cooling).


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 5:28 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

greatketch@...
 

The company Square D makes a wide selection of pressure switches that would be suitable. Pick your liquid connection size, and your pressure range, and your are good to go.

Like the original, the are simple, robust, mechanical. They are widely available at least in the US.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill K,

We chose the “reverse cycle” and used it often when wintering in SO Italy.  

However, as you state, we rarely use ti.

:-)

JPG, SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Tahiti.

On 4 Jul 2018, at 11:28, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.  

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

greatketch@...
 

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

We installed Webasto AC in 2015 and are very pleased with the performance… except for the poor installation done by the turkeys in Turkey… works well after a review by Webasto tech.

Don’t ask ….

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Tahiti French Polynesia


On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:13, Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Webasto FCF Platinum. Three 10,000 BTU units. 220/40V. 50/60Hz. This is one of the few brands that still have the dual rating.

March brand AC-5C-MD pump. 1000 gph located on floor next to fresh water pump in engine room.

Locations. One fwd cabin (beneath fwd part of the v-berth). One in main salon (aft portside corner of the horseshoe). One in aft head (behind toilet).

Draws about 14-15 amps when all units are running.

Total price for all of the above (not including other supplies) when ordered from Defender and delivered to Florida was about $5800.

To reiterate, it is still early in the lifecycle of these units and Bill Rouse's advice is spot on. It's impossible for me to say when they will begin to show signs of age. But I know that AMEL Martinique does install this brand. And frankly, if they only worked as long as CLIMMA then at least they can be replaced and the total amount spent for two sets of units (here in North America) would only equal the cost of ONE set of CLIMMAs.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

I agree with Bill K. about dual cycle and it's one of the reasons we chose Webasto. Before deciding on this brand, I talked or met with many if the major manufacturers and several installers. Many installers say it's OK but most manufacturers are increasingly backing away from marketing or endorsing their products for dual cycle usage. 

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 12:34 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our boat had the CoastalAir units installed.  The one in the main saloon is still going strong (after 23 years), the aft cabin unit died 2 years ago when the check valve in the compressor stuck.


We replaced it with one from MarinAire.  Pretty much a drop in replacement if you use the 8000BTU unit for the aft cabin.  

Nothing to report, other than it works as needed--when needed.  Price was excellent.  Delivery was quick from Florida.  Engineering looks good.  Time will tell...

No matter which unit you use, it helps to be sure that the system will work on either 50 or 60 hz systems.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Webasto FCF Platinum. Three 10,000 BTU units. 220/40V. 50/60Hz. This is one of the few brands that still have the dual rating.

March brand AC-5C-MD pump. 1000 gph located on floor next to fresh water pump in engine room.

Locations. One fwd cabin (beneath fwd part of the v-berth). One in main salon (aft portside corner of the horseshoe). One in aft head (behind toilet).

Draws about 14-15 amps when all units are running.

Total price for all of the above (not including other supplies) when ordered from Defender and delivered to Florida was about $5800.

To reiterate, it is still early in the lifecycle of these units and Bill Rouse's advice is spot on. It's impossible for me to say when they will begin to show signs of age. But I know that AMEL Martinique does install this brand. And frankly, if they only worked as long as CLIMMA then at least they can be replaced and the total amount spent for two sets of units (here in North America) would only equal the cost of ONE set of CLIMMAs.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Mark

Thanks a ton. We have cleaned those connectors up many times with a toothbrush etc... but did not yet think of spraying them with CorrosionX. Will do so in the morning, but I really want at permanent fix for this switch now. Have totally had enough of going into the engine room with a screw driver when wanting to brush my teeth!

Just wrote to Thierry at Amel now too to see why it has taken them so long to source this too.

Also what are the spare "D switches" you talk of? Are those the little contact points or are you talking about a complete spare switch which is available.

I could not find those files, will have another look tonight.

Best regards

Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Grand Bay, Mauritius


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:00 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

 

The issue with your fresh water pump most likely lies inside the pressure switch with the connectors. We had a similar issue  a couple of months ago and treated the connectors with some Corrosion X and cleaned them. I carry a couple of spare D pressure switches and was ready to replace the entire switch but so far the Corrosion X has worked its magic.

 

There are some instructions to setting and wiring the pressure switch in the files section (I think Bill Rouse posted from Bebe). The file also has links to online instructions.

 

Also, the pressure switches are readily available at a good hardware or pump store. This is a common switch.

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

 

 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.

 

The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).

 

Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!

 

A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.

 

With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.

 

In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.

 

Fair winds & following seas

 

Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

Mark Erdos
 

Colin,

 

The issue with your fresh water pump most likely lies inside the pressure switch with the connectors. We had a similar issue  a couple of months ago and treated the connectors with some Corrosion X and cleaned them. I carry a couple of spare D pressure switches and was ready to replace the entire switch but so far the Corrosion X has worked its magic.

 

There are some instructions to setting and wiring the pressure switch in the files section (I think Bill Rouse posted from Bebe). The file also has links to online instructions.

 

Also, the pressure switches are readily available at a good hardware or pump store. This is a common switch.

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

 

 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.

 

The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).

 

Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!

 

A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.

 

With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.

 

In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.

 

Fair winds & following seas

 

Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com


Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.


The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).


Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!


A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 years) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.


With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regarding max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.


In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.


Fair winds & following seas


Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

 

Martin,

Your question: The answer is as complicated and long as the progression of technology, which caused many (not all) of your problems. I firmly believe that replacing the units with Climma, or any other brand, will just bring you to a higher altitude in the death spiral toward failure. In other words a replacement will probably give you trouble-free service for 4-5 years before experiencing what you are experiencing now.

Some other things: I have witnessed on more than one occasion a technician hooking up gauges, and invoicing for freon when what he found was a loose wire. Air conditioning and refrigeration seldom needs freon or refrigerant. My guess is that something like 10% of the time that refrigerant is added or invoiced, does the system need actually need refrigerant. I know lots of people who will dispute this, but they cannot change my opinion. The older Climma A/Cs used analog controls which included mechanical switches, thermostats and relays...they also included 5 capacitors. The new Climma systems have digital switches, thermostats and relays...and one capacitor. These systems, like many other things are designed to replace the entire PCB when things don't work. It is another case where the digital system is lasting much less than the old analog systems. It is a BIG thing and it involves so much more than your A/C.

More to your answer: As long as the saltwater heat exchanger (condenser) and the compressor including the sealed refrigerant parts are working properly, I would attempt to repair, rather than replace. If you replace, I am not sure that today it makes any difference as to brand because none will last as long as the older systems. I wish that I could offer more encouragement. I am sure that you will find someone to tell you, "...buy brand X and it will solve all of your problems..."

Reverse Cycle: Think long and hard regarding reverse-cycle heating. I doubt that there is any significant power usage advantage. Your saltwater pump will last half the time if you use heat and cool equally, and there is the barnacle sea chest situation...and, of course, other situations.

I hope my opinions help you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:57 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Tx very much Bill, I didn`t know that.


What is your recommendation to me? My current CLIMMAs constantly develop new leaks and electric failures.

Thank you very much in advance.

Martin

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 17:25 schrieb Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Sadly, it seems to be a trend that is progressing with the progression of technology. The older Climma Compact units made prior to about 2006 lasted 10-20 years with usually the only failures in Capacitors. There is a major difference in the electronics of a newer Climma Compact...so much so, that you would not recognize the newer electronics as being a progression of the older. It isn't just Climma, it is all refrigeration and Air Conditioning systems. I expect the life expectancy of those Climma Compacts made after about 2006 to be half of the earlier generation. The same is true with other brands.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

greatketch@...
 

Our boat had the CoastalAir units installed.  The one in the main saloon is still going strong (after 23 years), the aft cabin unit died 2 years ago when the check valve in the compressor stuck.

We replaced it with one from MarinAire.  Pretty much a drop in replacement if you use the 8000BTU unit for the aft cabin.  

Nothing to report, other than it works as needed--when needed.  Price was excellent.  Delivery was quick from Florida.  Engineering looks good.  Time will tell...

No matter which unit you use, it helps to be sure that the system will work on either 50 or 60 hz systems.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: Dessalator DUO 160 Wiring Connections

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

A forum member provided me with the information I needed privately. 

I hope everyone (US folks and others) enjoy the holiday.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising New England

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Tx very much Bill, I didn`t know that.

What is your recommendation to me? My current CLIMMAs constantly develop new leaks and electric failures.

Thank you very much in advance.

Martin

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Am 04.07.2018 um 17:25 schrieb Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Sadly, it seems to be a trend that is progressing with the progression of technology. The older Climma Compact units made prior to about 2006 lasted 10-20 years with usually the only failures in Capacitors. There is a major difference in the electronics of a newer Climma Compact...so much so, that you would not recognize the newer electronics as being a progression of the older. It isn't just Climma, it is all refrigeration and Air Conditioning systems. I expect the life expectancy of those Climma Compacts made after about 2006 to be half of the earlier generation. The same is true with other brands.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

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Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA