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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

karkauai
 

Agreed, Danny.
I have a full cockpit enclosure, but it’s getting very tired after 10 years.  I can’t stand up in the cockpit without bending over a bit.

I’m removing the old cockpit cover and installing a new frame that attaches to the dodger and both mizzen shrouds on each side to cover the whole cockpit.  It will have a full cockpit enclosure, and I’ll be able to stand up and see all around with the “Bimini” up all the time and with the full enclosure in place.  I’m adding two more flexible solar panels on this as well.  It will have two large “windows” that allow viewing the sails, with covers to keep the sun out when not in use.  I’m also making a full sunscreen enclosure that will help with insects as well.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Hi Kent,

I'm not sure what you mean by a bimini type top but I offer this anyway. I think the most valuable addition to Ocean Pearl was the full cockpit enclosure, from the windscreen to behind the mizzen. Obviously we used the existing Amel bars and covers and attached to them.

In 47000 miles (I clicked over 47000 today) sailing we have never donned wet weather gear.  When sailing down wind in moderate to strong winds and rain, without the rear curtains life would be miserable.

And you most certainly need full front and side protection cause that is where the big sea splashes come in.

While the top from the Amel frame to our "behind mizzen" bar is zip removable we seldom remove it. As are all the side and back curtains The side and rear curtains roll up and down easily. This cover system turns the cockpit into an all weather extension of the cabin. I decided when we were looking for a boat a full cockpit enclosure was non negotiable. I was not going to ask Yvonne to bake to the sun and freeze in the rain for the two years voyage we had planned.(10 years ago)

I'll say again, that cockpit enclosure is invaluable for the increased pleasure it gives.

And those guys and gals in their bimini "unprotected" twin wheel rear helm stations that look so flash in the marinas are wrapped up in wet weather gear and getting wet top and bottom

Kind Regards

Danny



Re: Raising the waterline aft on SM

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Adam,
On our '92 SN the orange boot stripe was gelcoat. We simply sanded it before applying the new higher awlgrip paint boot stripe.
 Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <coastalseas@...> wrote :

Hi 

I too am looking raising the waterline aft and leveling it out to existing level at the bow, due to new weight distribution of SS solar arch, solar panels as added in 2015 and of course the contents of aft locker. The bow to mid ships id fine but the aft section requires constant scrubbing.

The challenge is removing this old boot strip before setting up the new waterline trim.

My question for the group is in about the original 2001 build orange boot stripe, is it a vinyl sticker or is it painted on.      

If it is a sticker, heat guns and scraping and / or decal eraser disks will be required. 

If it is painted on then fine grit sanding will be required.  

Any previous experiences or knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Adam 
s/v Lady Annabelle
AMEL SM 2000 #339
Sydney Australia



Re: re caulking of stanchion base

mfmcgovern@...
 

I work in automotive and have dealt with my share of seized fasteners.  Which bolt head type is "best" is an age-old question and one that does not really seem to have a definitive, scientific answer.  Here's a pretty good run-down of most of the available options:  https://www.wiha.com/en/screw-head-types/

In reality, the four head types that you can find relatively easy in 316 Stainless Steel in the sizes we would use on an Amel are:

1. Slot Head 
2.  Phillips Head
3.  Socket Head/Allen Head (internal hex)
4.  Hex Head (external hex)

In my experience, Slot Head is by far the worst choice in terms of both the amount of torque you can apply and in keeping the tool on the fastener head.  However, it is available in the most sizes/lengths and is usually the cheapest option.  

Phillips Head will let you apply the most torque to the screw head.  However, you have to be able to apply a good bit of axial force (pushing the screwdriver down into the screw head) in order to avoid the screwdriver slipping out.  

Socket Head/Allen Head/Hex Head is a good choice when you have limited access to the screw head and you can't apply a lot of axial force.  However, you cannot apply a lot of torque to the head before stripping it out.  Socket Head/Allen head are "prettier" and come in a flat head version which can sit flush in countersunk holes like the ones in the SM stanchion bases that we are talking about in this thread.

www.mcmaster.com and www.grainger.com are two good places to find 316 Stainless Steel fasteners in the USA.  


Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent !!!
That confirm what I/we thought!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/7/18, sangaris@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 7:58 AM


 









Out of curiosity I asked Veco (Annapolis
Frigoboat/Climma distributor) about their warning to use
only sea water for cooling, not tank water.  My questions
are below with their answers in red. "Dear Veco,I see in your Installation and
Instruction Manual that you have a warning in Chapter 3 that
the W35F and W50F Refrigeration Systems are designed to
operate with sea water cooling only, not water from water
tanks, etc. because serious health risks can
occur. Frigoboat systems are designed
for use with sea water only. There are no food-grade
materials used, and if a condenser rupture were to occur
there would be contamination of the drinking water from
refrigerant and oil if the system was installed using the
boat's water tanks.

I'm guessing the concern
with using recirculating cooling water from a fresh water
tank would be if the tank water were to heat up a lot or
become insufficient, the refrigeration may not provide
adequate cooling and food might spoil causing illness (and
possible legal ramifications for your company). Absolutely. Also, we would rather not have
the reputation of Frigoboat slighted by operators
broadcasting of poor performance when in fact their systems
have been installed and operated in a non-standard
way.

Owner error might also allow the
tank to become empty, although the system seemingly would
respond as it would were a sea water feed to become clogged
and no equipment damage would result. There is a temperature sensor on the
condensing coil that will stop the compressor if it is seen
that there is an inadequate supply of cooling
water.

Can you confirm that the warning
is indeed one to prevent owner error or is there actually an
engineering issue with using fresh water from a tank?  That
certainly seems not the issue as the system, I'm sure,
will work fine in fresh water. By
using recirculating water in a tank, you are adding several
more steps of heat exchange. By using sea water we are
always using a fresh source of water at a stable
temperature. Heat travels from a higher temperature object
to a lower temperature one, so for heat exchange to take
place, there must be a difference in temperature between the
two mediums, and the greater the difference, the more the
heat exchange. The water recirculated back to the tank will
be at a higher temperature than the water in the tank and so
it will heat the water in the tank. The water in the tank
has to be considerably warmer than its surroundings before
it can dispense some of that heat, so the water in the tank
will be warmer than the surroundings and the sea water. As
the water in the tank gets warmer/hotter, there is less heat
exchange, less efficiency, and more power is consumed due to
elevated head pressures in the compressor. The Frigoboat W35
and W50 systems are designed to operate efficiently and
safely with sea water at the maximum expected
temperature. Best
regards,Craig
Briggss/v
Sangaris
I didn't word my
last point very well - I meant to point out that the system
doesn't care if it gets sea water or fresh water from,
say, a river or in a lake. It's just a matter of them
not wanting owners using tank water to avoid possible
complaints, claims or the remote chance of drinking water
contamination.
Craig

---In
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <uster@...> wrote
:

Good morning Paul,



If I may point out regarding the “water cooled” units.


“Chapter 3” of the Installation and Instruction
Manual

http://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/images/PDF/Refer/Frigoboat_Manual_Rev_37.pdf

it says:

NOTE: The W35F and W50F compressors are designed to work
with sea water only. They are not designed to use water from
other sources, i.e. water tanks, skin tanks, or coolant
pumped through secondary heat exchangers. Serious health
risks and/or performance issues can occur if any form of
liquid coolant delivery is used other than sea water being
pumped directly into the system and then expelled back
overboard.

I assume this is some lawyer statement to prevent any type
of potential lawsuit should the system leak into the fresh
water tank.

Personally, I would not have any issue using the fresh water
tank, but wanted to point out the information.



Sincerely, Alexandre.







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On Mon, 8/6/18, osterberg.paul.l@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on
galley refrigerator

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, August 6, 2018, 8:00 AM





 



















Mark! Did you consider to have a water cooled

compressor? We have changed the cooler and compressor in
the

fridge box. To a water cooled, I also build a freezer
where

the dishwasher was, also water cooled. Both compressors
are

cooled by circulating fresh water from the drinking water

tank. Limited corrosion no growth of barnacles. No
problem

to use when on the hard, and very energy efficient. No
noice

from any fan. Took the water from the manual pump outlet
to

the compressors.



I have thought of doing something about the fridge
cabinet

as it get cool, but work most of the time and make noice

even after I changed the fan. One thought was a drawer

fridge, terribly expensive and does not match, or change

compressor and evaporator. I think I know the answer now.



Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I have always looked at those dual wheels, fully exposed to the sun,wind ,rain and spray and shook my head. They are welcome to it , I have said a dozen times that I am surprised more helms are not located forward as the Amels. But they do look sporty ! Just not practical.
Say Hey to Yvonne,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2018 7:01 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

 
Hi Kent,
I'm not sure what you mean by a bimini type top but I offer this anyway. I think the most valuable addition to Ocean Pearl was the full cockpit enclosure, from the windscreen to behind the mizzen. Obviously we used the existing Amel bars and covers and attached to them.
In 47000 miles (I clicked over 47000 today) sailing we have never donned wet weather gear.  When sailing down wind in moderate to strong winds and rain, without the rear curtains life would be miserable.
And you most certainly need full front and side protection cause that is where the big sea splashes come in.
While the top from the Amel frame to our "behind mizzen" bar is zip removable we seldom remove it. As are all the side and back curtains The side and rear curtains roll up and down easily. This cover system turns the cockpit into an all weather extension of the cabin. I decided when we were looking for a boat a full cockpit enclosure was non negotiab le. I was not going to ask Yvonne to bake to the sun and freeze in the rain for the two years voyage we had planned.(10 years ago)
I'll say again, that cockpit enclosure is invaluable for the increased pleasure it gives.
And those guys and gals in their bimini "unprotected" twin wheel rear helm stations that look so flash in the marinas are wrapped up in wet weather gear and getting wet top and bottom
Kind Regards
Danny
On 08 August 2018 at 04:19 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 
Hi Philipp,

I am going to replace my SM 2K cockpit enclosure with a Bimini type top.  If you want my framework, I will ship it to you at your cost.

Kent
Kristy
SM 243
Cu rrently St Michaels MD USA

On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:01 AM, philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 
Hi dear Super Maramu Experts,

I think about to change my old installation of the cockpit cover on my SM#124 to the installation on the SM2K.
For this action I asked AMEL in La Rochelle and NV Equipment as well, but unfortunately I didn't get an answer that they could help.
Does anybody has a map with the dimensions of the inox tubes and also where to fix them on the cockpit triangle.

Many thanks for all support!

Philipp
SM#124, Félicie, Bâle

 
 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Danny,

 

I had to laugh about you never wearing wet weather gear. We have a similar enclosure setup on Cream Puff. I’m not sure I even know where the wet weather gear is anymore. While we don’t have near as many miles as you, we love the setup and agree the fully enclosed cockpit is invaluable.

 

We also made matching panels with insect screens. They can be easily substituted for the clear panels of the enclosure. These have proven wonderful for two reasons. First, it obviously keeps the bugs out on anchor. Second, they provide shade while letting air circulate the cockpit.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 4:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

 

 

Hi Kent,

I'm not sure what you mean by a bimini type top but I offer this anyway. I think the most valuable addition to Ocean Pearl was the full cockpit enclosure, from the windscreen to behind the mizzen. Obviously we used the existing Amel bars and covers and attached to them.

In 47000 miles (I clicked over 47000 today) sailing we have never donned wet weather gear.  When sailing down wind in moderate to strong winds and rain, without the rear curtains life would be miserable.

And you most certainly need full front and side protection cause that is where the big sea splashes come in.

While the top from the Amel frame to our "behind mizzen" bar is zip removable we seldom remove it. As are all the side and back curtains The side and rear curtains roll up and down easily. This cover system turns the cockpit into an all weather extension of the cabin. I decided when we were looking for a boat a full cockpit enclosure was non negotiable. I was not going to ask Yvonne to bake to the sun and freeze in the rain for the two years voyage we had planned.(10 years ago)

I'll say again, that cockpit enclosure is invaluable for the increased pleasure it gives.

And those guys and gals in their bimini "unprotected" twin wheel rear helm stations that look so flash in the marinas are wrapped up in wet weather gear and getting wet top and bottom

Kind Regards

Danny

On 08 August 2018 at 04:19 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Hi Philipp,

 

I am going to replace my SM 2K cockpit enclosure with a Bimini type top.  If you want my framework, I will ship it to you at your cost.

Kent

Kristy

SM 243

Currently St Michaels MD USA


On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:01 AM, philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi dear Super Maramu Experts,

 

I think about to change my old installation of the cockpit cover on my SM#124 to the installation on the SM2K.

For this action I asked AMEL in La Rochelle and NV Equipment as well, but unfortunately I didn't get an answer that they could help.

Does anybody has a map with the dimensions of the inox tubes and also where to fix them on the cockpit triangle.

 

Many thanks for all support!

 

Philipp

SM#124, Félicie, Bâle

 

 

 


 


 


Re: SM Running Rigging

Miles
 

Hello Kent,

 

The Tack Rope material is what Amel uses for the outhaul on the boom and for the main sheet car traveler.  I think that if you measure them you will find this to be the case.

 

For manually furling the genoa,  my boat came with a black and white line that is also used to attach to the short main halyard for lowering the main sail and to furl the genoa.  For the Genoa, the ends are tied together to make a big loop, then led around the furler to two blocks at the toe rail and back to either the power or small winch and then to a block held by a long bungee to the back big deck cleat.  

 

I hope that this is clear enough to make sense.  If you see it on another boat, it will be clear.

 

I will be interested to hear how your work on the boat turns out.

Regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm216, Newport, RI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: re caulking of stanchion base

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

Thanks for the info.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: re caulking of stanchion base

 

 

Mark,

 

An impact driver is one of those tools you don't really need... until you do!

 

I am using a Ridgid cordless electric 1/2 inch drive impact driver.  If not this exact model, then one just like it. 



Nothing magic about the brand--it just used a battery that matched the drill I already owned.  The 1/2 inch drive makes finding attachments a bit more difficult, but it is a more powerful tool than the typical 1/4 inch snap-in attachments most consumer models use.   



I am sure the typical air drive impact wrench would do at least as well.  

 

I have tried a couple of the impact wrenches that are powered by manual hammer blows.  I have never found one that I thought was worth anything.

 

I have a collection of these kinds of bits in different sizes for various screw head sizes.  

 

For most of the screws a big, square shaft, screw driver that lets you turn it with a wrench will let you get enough torque to get the screws out.  Get the screwdrivers from one of the brands that offers a lifetime warrantee, you'll probably bend or break a few!  

 

It's really, really, important that when you use this much torque you have a tool that fits the screw really well otherwise you'll just destroy the screw head.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

 

 

 

 

 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

 

Are you using an impact driver? Manual, air or electric?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

  


rudder pulls to starboard

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi All,

a little while ago someone posted regarding their SM pulling to starboard when under motor. A number of possibilities were explored by members. I think I have the answer. Today, my dawn departure from Whangaroa (Northland New Zealand)was windless and the harbour was glass calm. Motoring at about 7 knots and 2000 rpm I felt a pull to starboard on the wheel. I let it turn a bit and the pressure increased. Having just had her out for the biannual refit I know the rudder is perfect as is the propeller, the hull and the keel.

Later, sailing in light wind the helm was perfectly balanced. I think the starboard pull must by caused by prop wash (not prop walk) The rudder is quite a long way aft of the propeller and I suspect the turbulence from it must strike the rudder on the port side. This phenomenon is unlikely to be apparent in any seaway and would probably require a number of ducks to be in line. Likewise the steering would have to be very free turning, ie cables and rack and pinion in first rate order. Any stiffness would conceal the pressure. That's my offering..

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I'm not sure what you mean by a bimini type top but I offer this anyway. I think the most valuable addition to Ocean Pearl was the full cockpit enclosure, from the windscreen to behind the mizzen. Obviously we used the existing Amel bars and covers and attached to them.

In 47000 miles (I clicked over 47000 today) sailing we have never donned wet weather gear.  When sailing down wind in moderate to strong winds and rain, without the rear curtains life would be miserable.

And you most certainly need full front and side protection cause that is where the big sea splashes come in.

While the top from the Amel frame to our "behind mizzen" bar is zip removable we seldom remove it. As are all the side and back curtains The side and rear curtains roll up and down easily. This cover system turns the cockpit into an all weather extension of the cabin. I decided when we were looking for a boat a full cockpit enclosure was non negotiable. I was not going to ask Yvonne to bake to the sun and freeze in the rain for the two years voyage we had planned.(10 years ago)

I'll say again, that cockpit enclosure is invaluable for the increased pleasure it gives.

And those guys and gals in their bimini "unprotected" twin wheel rear helm stations that look so flash in the marinas are wrapped up in wet weather gear and getting wet top and bottom

Kind Regards

Danny

On 08 August 2018 at 04:19 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Philipp,

I am going to replace my SM 2K cockpit enclosure with a Bimini type top.  If you want my framework, I will ship it to you at your cost.

Kent
Kristy
SM 243
Currently St Michaels MD USA

On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:01 AM, philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi dear Super Maramu Experts,


I think about to change my old installation of the cockpit cover on my SM#124 to the installation on the SM2K.

For this action I asked AMEL in La Rochelle and NV Equipment as well, but unfortunately I didn't get an answer that they could help.

Does anybody has a map with the dimensions of the inox tubes and also where to fix them on the cockpit triangle.


Many thanks for all support!


Philipp

SM#124, Félicie, Bâle


 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] changing cockpit cover installation from old Super Maramu to SM2K

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Hi Kent,

I'm interested but it depends on the dimensions of the package. Because I think, that there are limitations on the cargo transport to La Rochelle Pallice if they have to transport it by post from Brest or Amsterdam .
Do you have an idea about the amount of the costs to transport it to France or Switzerland?

I need your inox tubes or better if it is not to transport, maybe you could send me the dimensions of the inox tubes, that I can let change them by an inox yard in LR.


Many thanks for your perfect service!

Fair winds,

Philipp


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raising the waterline aft on SM

Alan Leslie
 

We did the same.
Just raised the antifoul up to the, in our case, red stripe. It is all paint on ours, no vinyl stripping required.
Some have laser lined it and lifted the waterline gradually from bow to stern.
We considered that, but in the end it was quicker and easier just to lift the whole waterline.
Sure its a bit high ate the bow, but so what, NO MORE SCRUBBING !!
It was well worth it
Good luck
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Port Vila


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raising the waterline aft on SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Adam,


 We raised our antifouling ( in our case, Coppercoat) to the top of the orange stripe, thus covering it. We then left an inch of white hull above which we added a new boot line. 


It took a bit of courage to raise that much and we only did so after looking endlessly at other boats. What we found  is that that there is no "only" way to define your waterline and boot top.


  Really happy we did it. It looks great. No more scrubbing the waterline and less hull to clean and polish.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece



From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of coastalseas@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 08 August 2018 02:29:26
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raising the waterline aft on SM
 


Hi 

I too am looking raising the waterline aft and leveling it out to existing level at the bow, due to new weight distribution of SS solar arch, solar panels as added in 2015 and of course the contents of aft locker. The bow to mid ships id fine but the aft section requires constant scrubbing.

The challenge is removing this old boot strip before setting up the new waterline trim.

My question for the group is in about the original 2001 build orange boot stripe, is it a vinyl sticker or is it painted on.      

If it is a sticker, heat guns and scraping and / or decal eraser disks will be required. 

If it is painted on then fine grit sanding will be required.  

Any previous experiences or knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Adam 
s/v Lady Annabelle
AMEL SM 2000 #339
Sydney Australia





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator

amel46met
 

I have used my water tank, on my 1983 maramu #125, for 10 year. However if I were to build the system again I would use a bronze keel cooler in the water tank. 
Tom Deasy 


On Aug 8, 2018, at 4:14 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Out of curiosity I asked Veco (Annapolis Frigoboat/Climma distributor) about their warning to use only sea water for cooling, not tank water.  My questions are below with their answers in red. 

"Dear Veco,
I see in your Installation and Instruction Manual that you have a warning in Chapter 3 that the W35F and W50F Refrigeration Systems are designed to operate with sea water cooling only, not water from water tanks, etc. because serious health risks can occur. Frigoboat systems are designed for use with sea water only. There are no food-grade materials used, and if a condenser rupture were to occur there would be contamination of the drinking water from refrigerant and oil if the system was installed using the boat's water tanks.

I'm guessing the concern with using recirculating cooling water from a fresh water tank would be if the tank water were to heat up a lot or become insufficient, the refrigeration may not provide adequate cooling and food might spoil causing illness (and possible legal ramifications for your company). Absolutely. Also, we would rather not have the reputation of Frigoboat slighted by operators broadcasting of poor performance when in fact their systems have been installed and operated in a non-standard way.

Owner error might also allow the tank to become empty, although the system seemingly would respond as it would were a sea water feed to become clogged and no equipment damage would result. There is a temperature sensor on the condensing coil that will stop the compressor if it is seen that there is an inadequate supply of cooling water.

Can you confirm that the warning is indeed one to prevent owner error or is there actually an engineering issue with using fresh water from a tank?  That certainly seems not the issue as the system, I'm sure, will work fine in fresh water. By using recirculating water in a tank, you are adding several more steps of heat exchange. By using sea water we are always using a fresh source of water at a stable temperature. Heat travels from a higher temperature object to a lower temperature one, so for heat exchange to take place, there must be a difference in temperature between the two mediums, and the greater the difference, the more the heat exchange. The water recirculated back to the tank will be at a higher temperature than the water in the tank and so it will heat the water in the tank. The water in the tank has to be considerably warmer than its surroundings before it can dispense some of that heat, so the water in the tank will be warmer than the surroundings and the sea water. As the water in the tank gets warmer/hotter, there is less heat exchange, less efficiency, and more power is consumed due to elevated head pressures in the compressor. The Frigoboat W35 and W50 systems are designed to operate efficiently and safely with sea water at the maximum expected temperature. 
Best regards,
Craig Briggs
s/v Sangaris

I didn't word my last point very well - I meant to point out that the system doesn't care if it gets sea water or fresh water from, say, a river or in a lake. It's just a matter of them not wanting owners using tank water to avoid possible complaints, claims or the remote chance of drinking water contamination.

Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Good morning Paul,

If I may point out regarding the “water cooled” units.
“Chapter 3” of the Installation and Instruction Manual
http://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/images/PDF/Refer/Frigoboat_Manual_Rev_37.pdf
it says:
NOTE: The W35F and W50F compressors are designed to work with sea water only. They are not designed to use water from other sources, i.e. water tanks, skin tanks, or coolant pumped through secondary heat exchangers. Serious health risks and/or performance issues can occur if any form of liquid coolant delivery is used other than sea water being pumped directly into the system and then expelled back overboard.
I assume this is some lawyer statement to prevent any type of potential lawsuit should the system leak into the fresh water tank.
Personally, I would not have any issue using the fresh water tank, but wanted to point out the information.

Sincerely, Alexandre.



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On Mon, 8/6/18, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, August 6, 2018, 8:00 AM


 









Mark! Did you consider to have a water cooled
compressor? We have changed the cooler and compressor in the
fridge box. To a water cooled, I also build a freezer where
the dishwasher was, also water cooled. Both compressors are
cooled by circulating fresh water from the drinking water
tank. Limited corrosion no growth of barnacles. No problem
to use when on the hard, and very energy efficient. No noice
from any fan. Took the water from the manual pump outlet to
the compressors.

I have thought of doing something about the fridge cabinet
as it get cool, but work most of the time and make noice
even after I changed the fan. One thought was a drawer
fridge, terribly expensive and does not match, or change
compressor and evaporator. I think I know the answer now.

Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
 


Re: Raising the waterline aft on SM

Adam Carpenter
 

Hi 

I too am looking raising the waterline aft and leveling it out to existing level at the bow, due to new weight distribution of SS solar arch, solar panels as added in 2015 and of course the contents of aft locker. The bow to mid ships id fine but the aft section requires constant scrubbing.

The challenge is removing this old boot strip before setting up the new waterline trim.

My question for the group is in about the original 2001 build orange boot stripe, is it a vinyl sticker or is it painted on.      

If it is a sticker, heat guns and scraping and / or decal eraser disks will be required. 

If it is painted on then fine grit sanding will be required.  

Any previous experiences or knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Adam 
s/v Lady Annabelle
AMEL SM 2000 #339
Sydney Australia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat drain hose blocked

karkauai
 

Be careful...I remember when I was a kid my dad came home with a compressed air declogger for the toilet.  One blast and pipes broke in several places.  OK, it was an old house, but what a mess!

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

Paul,

Over the years I have had a number of clogged hoses, including the fuel hose, and also the strainer INSIDE the main fuel tank. YES THER IS A STRAINER BEHIND THE FUEL SHUTOFF VALVE ON THE FUEL TANK.

My solution was to put the bell of an air horn over the hose and give it a toot.

For the refrigerator I would do the same but use a very small amount f air as the hose is small.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat drain hose blocked

 

 

Paul,

 

Don’t be afraid to pull the fridge out a bit. On the SM53 there are only three thumb screw holding the unit in. (perhaps a 54 owner could chime in with the locations of the screws on the 54) Once the screws are out, it is possible to pull the fridge out about a foot without pulling it all the way out. Take off the cabinet doors in the kitchen under the sink (the whole panel should come off with the doors attached – look for the Phillips head screws (I think 2 or 3) lift and remove. You can now get to the back of the fridge.

 

But before you do all of this. Remove the drain tray inside the fridge. Try putting a water hose over the hole in the fridge – pulse the water a couple of times. It is possible you have some dirt blocking the drain hose and a little pressure might help clear it. This drains to the bilge.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 4:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat drain hose blocked

 

 

Hi all,

 

In our 54 there is an upright Frigoboat fridge in the galley which has the small freezer compartment at the top, and just below that is a tray to collect melted ice. That tray is connected to a small drain hose which disappears behind the fridge to where I do not know!. This hose seems to be blocked resulting in water accumulating at the bottom of the fridge, I would be grateful if someone has dealt with this before and could advise how to get access to this hose as it does not seem to be easy at all without some major dismantling which I'm reluctant to do without knowing what I'm doing.

 

Cheers,

Paul

Ya Fohi - Amell 54 #98

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] resurrecting an old dessalator

 

I would turn it on and be prepared to test the TDS of the produced water. 

This confirms what I have said before that many Amels were sold in Europe that never really went anywhere. I bet your downwind poles, rigging, and downwind sails are new as well.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 15:14 Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Kent,

Thank you for the data point.  It seems likely we have the same setup.  I believe my membranes are 20", though I haven't measured them.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:57 PM Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,
I have SM 243, she has a 24V 60 L/H Desallator.  I'm not aboard now, but it sounds like that's what you have.  Two 20" membranes?
Kent


From: "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] resurrecting an old dessalator [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from Ryan Meador included below]
Hi all,

I'm unsure of which model Dessalator is installed on my boat.  I've attached a photo..  The info on the label on the motor reads:

Amel
No 830042
Type MBT1141L
29V60l/h9848

It appears this is a 24V-only unit.  Is this typical?  I haven't had luck searching the mailing list archives for more info. I think there is something wrong with Yahoo right now..  Can anyone identify this model?

This unit has 13 hours on it.  That is not a typo.  The previous owner said he used it a couple times when he first got the boat and then never again.  I do not know if it was pickled at that time, nor if it has been flushed in the interim.  Can anyone offer advice on what I should do before I try turning it on?  I know I'll need to replace the membranes before I use it, but I just want to see if everything else works or if it needs a more serious overhaul.

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

We are still waiting to hear from Mark McGovern about using his or a friend's 3D printer to do this job....maybe in aluminum???

My printer guy says he'll forego the design fee and work up a price for the mechanism parts there are 3 different parts for each mechanism) on a per each basis if anyone wants some of those.  Please let me know.

So far I have the following people interested, black ABS plastic at $7 each for an order of 100.
Jose 5
Ryan 2
Craig 5
Bill K 14
Steve 20
Kent 15
John 10

That's 71 handles total.  If anyone else is interested, please let me know ASAP
Contact me directly at karkauai "at" yahoo "dot" com

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

karkauai
 

I don’t know what it is Craig...that’s what I’m asking.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


 

Hey Kent,


What line are you calling the "Tack Rope"?  
Sounds like an asym spinnaker pendant (non-Amel).

Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I am replacing my running rigging prior to S Pacific cruise.  Looking at the files section, I have a couple questions:

What is the Tack Rope (10mm Kevlar, 11.5 meters)???

What line do you use for manually furling the genoa?  Diameter and length???  Is it led through blocks at the toe rail to the small cockpit winches?  It must be pretty long as it has to go from the cockpit to the furler and back, and have enough more to furl the sail.

Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: re caulking of stanchion base

greatketch@...
 

Mark,

An impact driver is one of those tools you don't really need... until you do!

I am using a Ridgid cordless electric 1/2 inch drive impact driver.  If not this exact model, then one just like it. 

Nothing magic about the brand--it just used a battery that matched the drill I already owned.  The 1/2 inch drive makes finding attachments a bit more difficult, but it is a more powerful tool than the typical 1/4 inch snap-in attachments most consumer models use.   

I am sure the typical air drive impact wrench would do at least as well.  

I have tried a couple of the impact wrenches that are powered by manual hammer blows.  I have never found one that I thought was worth anything.

I have a collection of these kinds of bits in different sizes for various screw head sizes.  

For most of the screws a big, square shaft, screw driver that lets you turn it with a wrench will let you get enough torque to get the screws out.  Get the screwdrivers from one of the brands that offers a lifetime warrantee, you'll probably bend or break a few!  

It's really, really, important that when you use this much torque you have a tool that fits the screw really well otherwise you'll just destroy the screw head.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA








---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Bill,

 

Are you using an impact driver? Manual, air or electric?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

  

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