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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Lotta Edwards
Hi Paul
Even if it is far away from where you are, they seems to have that chair in Erlandssons brygga home in Sweden. http://www.erlandsonsbrygga.se/Hemsida/Inredning___VVS/Stol_Bord_Stativ/Stol_Soffa_Stativ/BATSTOL_TWIN_LJUSGRA?id=07619 Best regards Per-Erik Edwards Voyageur, SM2K 373
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat [3 Attachments]
eric freedman
Hi Alan, Nice seat, Where did you get it? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:55 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat [3 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] included below] I agree the helm seat is great. The nav station stool terrible We changed the navstation stool to this....much more comfortable in port and at sea, and it folds back out of the way. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
greatketch@...
RO membranes are rated for maximum pressure OR maximum flux of product water, whichever is reached first.
If the feed water is nearly fresh, very low feed pressure (maybe lower than 100 PSI, 7 Bar) will result in maximum flow of product water. Running like this will not damage the membranes. The "reject rate" of salt removal will be similar, so you will end up with quite pure water. In the Chesapeake Bay, you will very quickly clog your prefilters, so be ready for that. It is a rich biological soup. If your membranes have been pickled for over 3 years, I would recommend cleaning them before pressurizing to remove as much accumulated biofouling as possible so you do not push it deep into the membrane pores. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
Mark Isaac
Hi Bill, Yes, I assumed he was abbreviating Dextron ATF and that Dextron II was replaced with the more modern formulations of III and then IV. As you know the ZF manual has an extensive list of which brands of fluid are acceptable....I could find none of them, so just used a name brand, "Dex IV" fluid. I'm probably fine with that, but if ZF has an updated list, I wanted to check what I used against the new list. Now on to that dipstick issue... Mark Isaac SM 391, Lulu South Freeport, Maine
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Patrick McAneny
Danny, All good points and I don't disagree that safety comes first , before all else.. The seat I am considering would have s.s handholds and it would not be free to swivel . A prior owner just emailed me and told me his seat was rock solid ,held him snugly in the seat and he felt safer than with his old seat in extreme conditions. We just came off the boat and remembered one reason I always thought I would like something different. The seat is a little high for me, I would like it about 2 or 3 inches lower. In the past I had thought about cutting a couple of inches off the bottom and re glassing the foot back in. You have a newer design and I am sure its more comfortable than mine . This thread has run long enough, I was hoping to hear from anyone that has replaced the helm seat, two so far and both positive. I will probably seek out other sources to determine how solid and secure they, are and will not make a change unless I am sure .
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Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message----- From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2018 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat Hi Pat,
I regard the SM helm seat as a great design and a vital safety item. I have a lot of ocean miles behind me and in the vigorous seaways we encounter out there its fixed place stability is a huge safety factor. I would never have a swiveling seat. In big rough seas, oh boy. Likewise, even more so the tube up the sides and across the back. When you are moving around the cockpit in rough conditions it is a fantastic "grab when I'm off balance" hand hold. Moving around the cockpit in a seaway I am using that hand hold all the time. Bad accidents on yachts at sea are often caused by falls.As we age our bones become brittle and our balance less. Henri gave us hand holds every where for good reason. Swiveling padded comfort seats are for the marina and harbour set. Not for serious off shore.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 24 August 2018 at 01:19 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
I'm now not so sure about this fresh water business. Remember: The biggest enemy of the membranes is fresh water. Fresh water should be always used with no pressure when going through the system (pressure dial turned all the way anti clockwise) and the system should always run with no pressure after a fresh water flush to dump all the fresh water that are in it, before making freshwater from sea water (also with the pressure dial all the way anti clockwise). When running the watermaker with the dial all the way anti clockwise, it will shut it self down automatically after 1 minute. Only then, the watermaker is ready for use. I have the Filmtec Membrane Technical Manual and I can find no discussion of this at all anywhere. In fact a number of systems are illustrated that 1. Treat Brackish water 2. RO the RO water (double RO) to make ultrapure water. So I don;t know where this freshwater enemy story comes from......nothing on a Google search. If it really was a problem I would think Filmtec would warn about it. Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
I don’t think it’s the pressure you need to watch, Pat. It’s the RO water flow. Does yours have the glass tube with float that indicates how much water you are making? Keep that below the rated volume your unit produces.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM243
On Aug 23, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Craig , I will watch the video, I would really like to run it now before I leave, so that I can replace/repair here before departure. The membranes have only been used for six months , then pickled for 31/2 years . I don't know what that does to them , it seems if you ran them for awhile they would clean themselves ,who knows ,I don't. So you are saying as long as I don't turn the pressure up beyond the green zone , it would be OK .See ya in ST. Michaels. Thanks,
Pat
SM123
-----Original Message----- From: sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2018 7:52 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid Hi Pat,
You definitely can run your watermaker in fresh water without ruining the membrane(s). The only caveat is that you must not exceed your fresh water output rating.
Start your unit up with, as Alan says, the pressure knob fully closed (which you normally do). Then bring the pressure up slowly and monitor the fresh water output flow. In sea water, where you might need 800 psi to get your rated output (mine is 20 gph), in brackish it's maybe 400 or so and only 200ish in fresh water.
For a good video on this by Rich Boren, who owns the CruiseRO company, check out http://blog.cruiserowaterandpower.com/can-i-run-a-marine-water-maker-in-fresh-or-brackish-water/
If the link on the last line gets garbled by yahoo, it is http colon slash slash blog dot cruiserowaterandpower dot com slash can-i-run-a-marine-water-maker-in-fresh-or-brackish-water slash
I used to do this all the time on Sangaris, so I know it works.
Cheers, Craig SN68
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote : Alan, I am concerned about that , leaving them pickled so long and they were new four years ago. So it sounds like there is no way to fully test the system until I get to salt water. If I could find a way to make up some salt
water and recirculate it ,that would work. I would like to put it through a stress test prior to heading for the Caribbean.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2018 4:33 pm Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid Hi Pat,
ATF 90 - Automatic Transmission Fluid SAE 90
You can rinse the membranes with fresh water with the pressure knob fully anti clockwise i.e. no pressure.
If you pressurise the membranes with fresh water you will ruin them - if they are not already ruined from sitting pickled for that length of time.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
I got a strap with hooks on either end from George and Kim on Indecent several years ago. They got it fromWest Marine.
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I put two eye bolts in the face of the nav station one fore and one aft of the drawer. The strap hooks to them and makes a great back rest when working at the nav station. But my butt still gets tired and my feet fall asleep if I sit on that stool too long. Kent SM 243 Kristy
On Aug 23, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bill, I too sit elsewhere as well most of the time , but still spend a fair amount of time at the helm. I have also considered changing out the Nav seat. Pat
SM123
-----Original Message----- From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2018 11:47 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat Pat,
I am pretty sure we have very similar seats. Of course, we all use our boats differently. Most of the time when we are on passage, I don't use the helmseat, but prefer lounging further back in the cockpit were there is better back support, and places to put my feet up. If the helm seat was my go-to spot I might be looking for something to make it more comfortable.
I did something similar, but less radical, at the nav station. Our boat had a simple, flat, bar-stool seat there. I found myself sliding off backwards when heeled on starboard tack.
We swapped out for a seat that was similar, except for a stainless rail as a low back rest that works great keeping my butt in place. It also gives us an extra handhold at a critical place in the cabin. It had the additional advantage that it raised me 3 inches higher--enough I can actually type at the navstati
on.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Paul,
I bought it in New Zealand at a chandlery called Burnsco.....I have no idea of the brand. I fabricated a 3mm stainless plate to bolt to the pedestal and to the seat...it is offset towards the centerline of the boat so i can get my knees under the nav table. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi again, just incase you think I am geriatric. I am fit and agile, but even the fit and agile need hand holds. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 24 August 2018 at 07:26 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Alan
Where did you bought it? Brand? Looks very nice indeed . Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
Greeting, On my Santorin SN24 the pedestal seat is bolted in place and does not move. Even with cushions on the backrest and seat it is just hard enough to keep the crew from falling asleep on watch. Hence 90% of the time we just push the autopilot button and kickup our feet on the cockpit seats. Only had 1 crew who would ever sit there for hours pushing buttons to scroll thru the plotter, change light intensity, go to port 1 degree then strbd 3 degrees and try to calibrate the depth sounder in the gulf stream Ric Gottschalk SN24 Bali Hai Annapolis
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 2:59 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
The Santorin has a pedestal seat. Ours sits on the pedestal post (not bolted) and therefore does 2 handy things.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
I agree the helm seat is great. The nav station stool terrible
We changed the navstation stool to this....much more comfortable in port and at sea, and it folds back out of the way. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Pat, I regard the SM helm seat as a great design and a vital safety item. I have a lot of ocean miles behind me and in the vigorous seaways we encounter out there its fixed place stability is a huge safety factor. I would never have a swiveling seat. In big rough seas, oh boy. Likewise, even more so the tube up the sides and across the back. When you are moving around the cockpit in rough conditions it is a fantastic "grab when I'm off balance" hand hold. Moving around the cockpit in a seaway I am using that hand hold all the time. Bad accidents on yachts at sea are often caused by falls.As we age our bones become brittle and our balance less. Henri gave us hand holds every where for good reason. Swiveling padded comfort seats are for the marina and harbour set. Not for serious off shore. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 24 August 2018 at 01:19 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Helm Seat
Ian Park
The Santorin has a pedestal seat. Ours sits on the pedestal post (not bolted) and therefore does 2 handy things.
1. It can be lifted off at anchor and gives more cockpit space 2. It swivels, so that when heeled you can turn the seat so your back is always dead downhill. No problems with the fitting, but the moulded base support does give it the strength required. Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
On Amelia I love the helm seat. At sea in all weather I have found it great.
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The chart table seat on the other hand is awful! However as with all things in life afloat there is only so much space. The corridor to the aft cabin precludes having something really comfy ie larger. I guess my general doctrine applies to all be it lovers or boats: “Be to their virtues ever kind and their faults a little blind” Nick (Amelia 54 )
On 23 Aug 2018, at 18:45, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
Patrick McAneny
Bill, I too sit elsewhere as well most of the time , but still spend a fair amount of time at the helm. I have also considered changing out the Nav seat.
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Pat
SM123
-----Original Message----- From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2018 11:47 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat Pat,
I am pretty sure we have very similar seats. Of course, we all use our boats differently. Most of the time when we are on passage, I don't use the helmseat, but prefer lounging further back in the cockpit were there is better back support, and places to put my feet up. If the helm seat was my go-to spot I might be looking for something to make it more comfortable.
I did something similar, but less radical, at the nav station. Our boat had a simple, flat, bar-stool seat there. I found myself sliding off backwards when heeled on starboard tack.
We swapped out for a seat that was similar, except for a stainless rail as a low back rest that works great keeping my butt in place. It also gives us an extra handhold at a critical place in the cabin. It had the additional advantage that it raised me 3 inches higher--enough I can actually type at the navstati
on.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
eric freedman
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid
Mark, Eric is using an abbreviation. It is DEXRON II ATF. However, you cannot find DEXRON II because it is no longer made. Dexron VI replaced Dexron II and III. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm Seat
greatketch@...
Pat,
I am pretty sure we have very similar seats. Of course, we all use our boats differently. Most of the time when we are on passage, I don't use the helmseat, but prefer lounging further back in the cockpit were there is better back support, and places to put my feet up. If the helm seat was my go-to spot I might be looking for something to make it more comfortable. I did something similar, but less radical, at the nav station. Our boat had a simple, flat, bar-stool seat there. I found myself sliding off backwards when heeled on starboard tack. We swapped out for a seat that was similar, except for a stainless rail as a low back rest that works great keeping my butt in place. It also gives us an extra handhold at a critical place in the cabin. It had the additional advantage that it raised me 3 inches higher--enough I can actually type at the navstation. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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