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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] D3-110I-C Wandering RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

To porter. The differing dog is often current. Your boat speed log is speed through the water. Dog is pvervthe ground.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 30 August 2018 at 16:26 "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Sea trial 8/29/18 2 min timed test



1000 rpm temp 78c and 0 kPa quiet

1500 rpm temp 79c and 20 kPa high pitched whir sound bit no vibration

2000 rpm temp 81c and 70 kPa quiet

2200 rpm WOT 84c and 110/120 kPa quiet


Zero rpm wandering for first hour, slight wandering after an hour. 


I guess it was the prop!?!


I’ll send it back to be rebuilt. 


I’ll also be interested to see what a longer motor is like. 


Could play increase in the c-drive with warm oil and cause the slight wandering?  Why after an hour did that present. 


Also. Other question sent to Volvo: what’s up with the 2200 wot???  Ended up going 8.6 kts sog one direction and 9.2 kts sog in the other. Minimal chop. 


Porter 

A54-152




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Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 29, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Dean, and hive of cognoscenti.


Please have a look at this video if you’d be so kind:



I started noticing your description several months ago. Pre boost pressure sensor fault, pre long block failure. We hauled out in Martinique in April. Serviced c drive, autoprop etc. I noticed that 2 of the autoprop arms fell with gravity alone. The third needed coaxing from a finger. More grease and it was better but never equivalent to the other 2. Minimal vibration. Hard to know how much vibration is normal as only have had the boat 1.5 years. Never motored on another 54 or SM for that matter. 

So.... after finding sputtering oil from the dipstick confirming to Volvo the Long block was shot we had a new long block installed and engine back in the boat Friday with sea trial last Saturday. While out of the water I sanded and acid washed the prop. Still noted one arm stiffer than the other. But not worse that it had been. 

During the sea-trial we had  Lots of rpm variability such as dean described but even +/-50-100 rpm. But not close to what is seen in the video. Our WOT was held to 2360. CDM/Volvo with their vodia computers hooked to the engine blessed it and said it was good. Hands washed they said the variability had to come from the prop. (I had not disclosed my observations under the hull while out of the water). 

This Last Monday real world test: we set out southwest from Panama City to isla Contadora. RPM wandering was much higher- this is when Video was taken. Wasn’t the most relaxing of trips in addition to being late and arriving in the dark we had an explosion of late afternoon lightning storms with webs of red and blue current above us. 

So we’re at anchor south of Contadora, arrived safely and this am I dove and switched the autoprop to the fixed, spare prop. Thanks Bill Rouse and James Cromie!  

Sea-trial this afternoon. 

I’ll report findings. 

Thanks to everyone!!


Porter/Helen Grace and Lilly. 
Ibis
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 29, 2018, at 10:27 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Gang,
I’ve been wondering for most of this summer about the wandering rpm in my D3-110-C motor. I’ve noticed that occasionally the rpm will wander around by 20-40rpm over a period of a second or so. It is obvious to the ear, as well as being shown in the instrument readout, and seems to be particularly prevalent when mooching around in the 1000-1500 rpm range. Haven’t noticed it so much at higher rpm.

I also don’t recall hearing it last year, but we were pretty overloaded with new stuff last year, it’s possible I just didn’t notice it.

Since I’ve now installed a new gearbox, I’ve kind of eliminated any issues on that front (ie pressure drops/shaft brake application)

This year I changed from the original fixed prop to an Autoprop, which is also a new piece of kit to me. Could this be related to the autoprop blades doing something erratic and momentarily loading up the motor?

Do others observe this behaviour? I guess with the trials and tribulations that Porter has gone through this year with his D3-110 we are all paying a bit more attention to this troublesome power plant.

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Super Maramu keel bolts size

Alin SM 283
 

Hi.
Yes you are right, I've forwarded the email that I have from Amel.
Cheers
Alin

On Thursday, 30 August 2018, 2:51:57 AM NZST, mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Alin,


Can you share the answer that you received here in this thread?  That way if someone in the future searches for the answer on this forum they will be able to find it.

Thanks,
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Amel SM 2k keel bolts size and specifications

Alin SM 283
 

Hi everyone, this is to share the information I got from Amel, regarding keel bolts on a SM 2000. 
Thank you
Regards
Alin Misescu 
----- Forwarded message -----

From: Mail SAV AMEL
To: alin1923@...
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2018, 6:53:17 PM NZST
Subject: RE: SM 2000 stability data

Dear Alin

Keel was fitted with 20 mm section of  threaded rods + reinforcement plates+ washers + and bolts (HU DIN 934, A4)

Hope this will help

Best regards

 

                                                             Thierry Billard

                           Responsable Service Clients – Customer Service Manager

                                                                                     sav@...

 

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De : Alin Misescu [mailto:alin1923@...]
Envoyé : mardi 28 août 2018 17:38
À : Mail SAV AMEL
Objet : RE: SM 2000 stability data

 

Hey mate.

Thanks very much for all your help , it was very very important . I do need a last favour,  can I have the keel bolts sizes and specs please???

I need length, diameter and material specs. 

Thanks a lot.

Regards

Alin

 

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 21:14, Mail SAV AMEL

<sav@...> wrote:

Dear Alin

Bingo ! I have found what should be documents requested.

Let me know

Best regards

Thierry

 

 

De : Alin Misescu [mailto:alin1923@...]
Envoyé : lundi 16 juillet 2018 22:01
À : Mail SAV AMEL
Objet : RE: SM 2000 stability data

 

Hi Thierry, 

First, congrats for winning the World Cup😀

Is there any chance to have an answer for my problem? Last time you sent my request to someone else.  

Sorry for all the hassle. 

Regards

Alin

 

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 at 9:23, Mail SAV AMEL

<sav@...> wrote:

Good morning

Finally found a stability report.

 

 

De : Alin Misescu [mailto:alin1923@...]
Envoyé : mercredi 13 juin 2018 21:24
À : Mail SAV AMEL
Objet : RE: SM 2000 stability data

 

Sorry,  the document is called certificate of measurement concerning model Super Maramu 2000.

Regards

Alin

 

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 at 19:54, Mail SAV AMEL

<sav@...> wrote:

Good morning Alin

We thank you for your message but unfortunately stability data do not exist for the Super Maramu.

The only document we can propose is the “EC type examination certificate” (copy attached).

Sorry not to be helpful

Best regards

Thierry Billard

 

 

 

 

                                       Thierry BILLARD

Responsable Service Clients- Customer Service Manager

                                sav@...

 

 

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De : Alin Misescu [mailto:alin1923@...]
Envoyé : mercredi 13 juin 2018 07:51
À : Mail SAV AMEL
Objet : SM 2000 stability data

 

Hello. 

My name is Alin Misescu and I am a proud owner of a Super maramu  hull 283.

I wanna put her into charter in NZ and my surveyor asks for more stability details.  Can you please help me to get them? 

Best regards 

Alin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] D3-110I-C Wandering RPM

Porter McRoberts
 

Sea trial 8/29/18 2 min timed test



1000 rpm temp 78c and 0 kPa quiet

1500 rpm temp 79c and 20 kPa high pitched whir sound bit no vibration

2000 rpm temp 81c and 70 kPa quiet

2200 rpm WOT 84c and 110/120 kPa quiet


Zero rpm wandering for first hour, slight wandering after an hour. 


I guess it was the prop!?!


I’ll send it back to be rebuilt. 


I’ll also be interested to see what a longer motor is like. 


Could play increase in the c-drive with warm oil and cause the slight wandering?  Why after an hour did that present. 


Also. Other question sent to Volvo: what’s up with the 2200 wot???  Ended up going 8.6 kts sog one direction and 9.2 kts sog in the other. Minimal chop. 


Porter 

A54-152




Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 29, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Dean, and hive of cognoscenti.


Please have a look at this video if you’d be so kind:



I started noticing your description several months ago. Pre boost pressure sensor fault, pre long block failure. We hauled out in Martinique in April. Serviced c drive, autoprop etc. I noticed that 2 of the autoprop arms fell with gravity alone. The third needed coaxing from a finger. More grease and it was better but never equivalent to the other 2. Minimal vibration. Hard to know how much vibration is normal as only have had the boat 1.5 years. Never motored on another 54 or SM for that matter. 

So.... after finding sputtering oil from the dipstick confirming to Volvo the Long block was shot we had a new long block installed and engine back in the boat Friday with sea trial last Saturday. While out of the water I sanded and acid washed the prop. Still noted one arm stiffer than the other. But not worse that it had been. 

During the sea-trial we had  Lots of rpm variability such as dean described but even +/-50-100 rpm. But not close to what is seen in the video. Our WOT was held to 2360. CDM/Volvo with their vodia computers hooked to the engine blessed it and said it was good. Hands washed they said the variability had to come from the prop. (I had not disclosed my observations under the hull while out of the water). 

This Last Monday real world test: we set out southwest from Panama City to isla Contadora. RPM wandering was much higher- this is when Video was taken. Wasn’t the most relaxing of trips in addition to being late and arriving in the dark we had an explosion of late afternoon lightning storms with webs of red and blue current above us. 

So we’re at anchor south of Contadora, arrived safely and this am I dove and switched the autoprop to the fixed, spare prop. Thanks Bill Rouse and James Cromie!  

Sea-trial this afternoon. 

I’ll report findings. 

Thanks to everyone!!


Porter/Helen Grace and Lilly. 
Ibis
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 29, 2018, at 10:27 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Gang,
I’ve been wondering for most of this summer about the wandering rpm in my D3-110-C motor. I’ve noticed that occasionally the rpm will wander around by 20-40rpm over a period of a second or so. It is obvious to the ear, as well as being shown in the instrument readout, and seems to be particularly prevalent when mooching around in the 1000-1500 rpm range. Haven’t noticed it so much at higher rpm.

I also don’t recall hearing it last year, but we were pretty overloaded with new stuff last year, it’s possible I just didn’t notice it.

Since I’ve now installed a new gearbox, I’ve kind of eliminated any issues on that front (ie pressure drops/shaft brake application)

This year I changed from the original fixed prop to an Autoprop, which is also a new piece of kit to me. Could this be related to the autoprop blades doing something erratic and momentarily loading up the motor?

Do others observe this behaviour? I guess with the trials and tribulations that Porter has gone through this year with his D3-110 we are all paying a bit more attention to this troublesome power plant.

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan raw water pump

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan raw water pump

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

There was some discussion on this about a month ago in this group: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/40913;_ylc=X3oDMTM2dW9rYzRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQwOTg5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUzMTEyNzEyNAR0cGNJZAM0MDkxMw--

 

 

 

I have a 1999 MDKAL Onan. The Onan part number for the complete raw water pump is 132-0358.

 

This is the correct part that will fit:

https://www.amazon.com/Sherwood-G702-PUMP-ONAN-132-0358/dp/B002IV69K4/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1530980928&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=132-0358

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan raw water pump

 

 

Our Onan raw water pump looks as it running on overtime so we would like to order a spare pump.

Were is the best place to order when in USA. 

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 on Sassafras river Chesapeake bay


Re: Yanmar Diesel Lift Pump

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

You think Yanmar parts are expensive....  take a look at the Volvo price list and feel blessed!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

Ok, this might seem a bit wierd, but after posting the original note in June, my Yanmar 4JH3-HTE low pressure lift/priming pump started to leak fuel (it was visible on top of the fuel filter) just recently.  It has 2,980 hours and in the Mac Boring Diesel Engine Class I took they recommended you change it at 2,500 hours.

It was a simple swap for a new part that cost about $60.  I didn't know Yanmar made any parts for less than a couple hundred!

Duane
Wanderer


Re: Onan raw water pump

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

The Onan raw water pumps come from a couple of different manufacturers, depending on the exact model and year of manufacture.  The one on our older and smaller Onan is an Oberdorfer pump, but I think some of the larger and newer models might use Johnsons

I have had good luck ordering raw water pumps and parts from marinepumpdirect dot com 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote :

Our Onan raw water pump looks as it running on overtime so we would like to order a spare pump.

Were is the best place to order when in USA. 

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 on Sassafras river Chesapeake bay


Onan raw water pump

Paul Osterberg
 

Our Onan raw water pump looks as it running on overtime so we would like to order a spare pump.

Were is the best place to order when in USA. 

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 on Sassafras river Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Marine Surveyors

Mark Erdos
 

I second Dave Huffman. He was referred to us by Joel Potter when we purchased Cream Puff and we have recommended him to other Amel owners since. He knows his way around an Amel.

 

http://www.huffmanmarinesurveys.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Marine Surveyors

 

 

Hi Joey,

   I used Dave Huffman.  He has done more than a few Amels.  He is based in Tampa but will travel to survey.  Of course if you can get Olivier then I would go with Olivier.  

 

Regards,  John

 

SV Annie SM37

Le Marin, Martinique

 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 7:20 PM x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,

 

I am currently in the market for a SM and was wondering if anyone here can recommend a pre-purchase surveyor who has strong knowledge of Amel systems and tech.  It would be a bonus if the person was located in the Annapolis, Maryland area.  Thanks for any guidance here.

 

Best,

 

Joey


Re: Yanmar Diesel Lift Pump

Duane Siegfri
 

Ok, this might seem a bit wierd, but after posting the original note in June, my Yanmar 4JH3-HTE low pressure lift/priming pump started to leak fuel (it was visible on top of the fuel filter) just recently.  It has 2,980 hours and in the Mac Boring Diesel Engine Class I took they recommended you change it at 2,500 hours.

It was a simple swap for a new part that cost about $60.  I didn't know Yanmar made any parts for less than a couple hundred!

Duane
Wanderer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Marine Surveyors

John Clark
 

Hi Joey,
   I used Dave Huffman.  He has done more than a few Amels.  He is based in Tampa but will travel to survey.  Of course if you can get Olivier then I would go with Olivier.  

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM37
Le Marin, Martinique

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 7:20 PM x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello all,


I am currently in the market for a SM and was wondering if anyone here can recommend a pre-purchase surveyor who has strong knowledge of Amel systems and tech.  It would be a bonus if the person was located in the Annapolis, Maryland area.  Thanks for any guidance here.


Best,


Joey


Amel Marine Surveyors

Joey Roane
 

Hello all,


I am currently in the market for a SM and was wondering if anyone here can recommend a pre-purchase surveyor who has strong knowledge of Amel systems and tech.  It would be a bonus if the person was located in the Annapolis, Maryland area.  Thanks for any guidance here.


Best,


Joey


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Does anyone know a supplier of this rub rail on an Amel Mango? [4 Attachments]

Mark Erdos
 

Have you tried Amel?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Does anyone know a supplier of this rub rail on an Amel Mango? [4 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from shipbldr2000@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hello Everyone,

 

My name is Charles Bell. I just purchased an 82 Amel Mango who rub rails had a rough time during the last hurricane. 

 

I have attached some pictures... Can anyone point me to the brand or the supplier of these vinyl rails? 

 

I am having a hard time locating them....

 

Thank you!

 

Charles

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: New Amel Mango owner question #1

Charles Bell
 

Thank you Craig!

Elegant simplicity...

Much exploring to do on this boat...


Re: New Amel Mango owner question #1

Charles Bell
 

Hello Joey,

That makes a lot of sense!

I will give it a try next time I am on the boat.

Thank you for your help!


Charles


Re: New Amel Mango owner question #1

Craig Briggs
 


Hey Charles,
Welcome to the "club".  That scale is the main reason to buy an Amel!  It shows the number of liters in your water tank - the cpvc pipe floats up and you read across from the top of it.
Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <shipbldr2000@...> wrote :

Hello Everyone,


Can anyone help me to understand what the graduated scale in the attached picture is for? It is located in my Amel mango next to a cpvc pipe that telescopes in and out of a stainless steel tube (mystery #2).


I have attached pictures of what I am trying to identify.



Thank you!


Charles



Re: New Amel Mango owner question #1

Joey Roane
 

Hi Charles,

I believe that is the way you measure the volume of water held in your tank.  When you release the locking mechanism the staff/rod should rise up and indicate on the numeric bar how many liters are currently in your tank.

Best,

Joey


New Amel Mango owner question #1

Charles Bell
 

Hello Everyone,


Can anyone help me to understand what the graduated scale in the attached picture is for? It is located in my Amel mango next to a cpvc pipe that telescopes in and out of a stainless steel tube (mystery #2).


I have attached pictures of what I am trying to identify.



Thank you!


Charles



Does anyone know a supplier of this rub rail on an Amel Mango?

Charles Bell
 

Hello Everyone,


My name is Charles Bell. I just purchased an 82 Amel Mango who rub rails had a rough time during the last hurricane. 


I have attached some pictures... Can anyone point me to the brand or the supplier of these vinyl rails? 


I am having a hard time locating them....


Thank you!


Charles