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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

I have an oil sucker, the 6.5 Lt with a manual pump.  When I change the oil every 200 hours, I also suck out the transmission fluid and change it too.
Takes an additional 5 minutes.

Ken
Sailing Aquarius
SM2K#262


On Sunday, September 2, 2018 4:45 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill, I am getting ready to change the fluid as well. I have not found a plug ,could you confirm there is one and where, I am surprised that it only takes 3/4 of a liter. I am sure I was told to use 40w oil in the past, its been awhile . I did not think you would need to change it yearly, I am over due by a couple of years. I have 150,000 miles on my truck and I think I have replaced the fluid twice . I wonder if that is why, I needed a new trans a few years ago. I will start changing it ,when I change my oil.
Thanks,
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 4:46 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

 
Paul,

I think I remember that you have the Volvo TMD22 engine.  If so, this applies to you...

You have to be a very careful talking about the ZF transmissions.  The ZF25M transmission that came on the Volvo TMD22 is a manual shift transmission, and holds about 0.75 liters of DEXTRAN IV automatic transmission fluid, NOT 90 weight oil.  The same exact machine was called an HBW250 before ZF and Hurth joined forces.

Other engines used a ZF25 transmission, which is a hydraulic shifting model with larger horsepower capacity and a completely different design.  It causes no end of confusion with model numbers so similar and actual designs so different!

The recommendation for change interval in my manual for the ZF25M is "Once a year." There is no change interval recommended based on hours of operation.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] What are the todo’s before and after haulot of a SM2K

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

If you are leaving the boat on the hard for a while here is a list you may want to think about:



Sea Water Valves
1.     Close all sea water valves. There are two in the engine room.
2.     Put a little vegetable oil in the valves and work them.  Make sure
         you run the engines for at least 1 hour before running the water 
         maker when you return.  No oil should be introduced to water maker.
Salt Water Removal
  1.   Run the engine and Generator for 5 minutes with fresh water.  
  2.   Run the air conditioners with fresh water for 5 minutes.  
  3.   Flush the Toilets with fresh water from the engine room.  
  4.   Run Fresh water through the anchor washClean bilge
   
Bilge
1.     Clean bilge 
2.     Test the bilge pump   
3.     Test the bilge pump alarm.


Watermaker
  1.   Back flush the water maker membranes.
  2.   Pickle if required.  (or - Find someone to back-flush every week for 10 minutes)
   
Electrical
1.    Turn off all the 24V equipment not to be used.
2.    Turn off fresh water pump.
3.    Circuit breakers in wet locker to be off.
4.    Check current to see if charging or discharging the batteries
5.    Turn off inverter
6.    Bow Thruster locked
7.    Clean out refrigerators

On Deck
1.    Loosen Halyards.
2.    Put on Covers as required.
3.    Outboard put away and run with fresh water until all gas is burned out of the carburetor.
4.    Turn off gas bottle valve in trunk.
5.    Take down flags as required
6.    Lock and remove engine key.
7.    Lock all storage lockers.  (From inside Aquarius)
8.    Shut and lock windows/hatches as required. (anywhere water can get in?)
Last - Lock cockpit door.

Leaving Aquarius on a mooring ball, or at anchor (Not Recommended)  
1.   Close the valves to water tight doors.
2.   Close water tight doors.

Leaving Aquarius for more than a few weeks:
  
1.     Try to have an air conditioner (or De-Humidifier) running if in a humid climate.
2.     Have someone trust worthy to watch over Aquarius.
     a.     Membranes must be flushed every week for 10 minutes.
     b.     Check engine room for any leaks or something wrong.
     c.      Should check the battery level in the morning before 9AM, if below 25V
              at anytime, contact owner.
 



On Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:13 AM, "olaf_renos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hello AMELians,

In two weeks my SM2K will be haul out. For me it is the first time of a haul out with a SM2K.
What would you suggest to do before and (directly) after haul out?
 
That’s my current list:
 
Before haul out
-          Empty the black water tanks and fill up with 0.5 Ltr vegetable oil. Open and close shortly the valves.
 
After haulout
-          Flush the Main engine, the generator and the AC’s with fresh water.
 
 
What else?
 
Thanks so much in advance.
 
Fair winds
Olaf
 
S/V Sayonara II, SM2K 392
currently in Martinique




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

greatketch@...
 


Pat,

My drawings say there is a 17mm drain plug on the starboard side of the ZF25M (the side opposite the shift lever). It is pretty much directly under the dipstick.  I have never gone under there looking for it because I never use it, finding it easier, and much neater, to use my vacuum oil extractor through the dipstick. 

The design of these transmissions is quite old, at least 40 years. Back in those days, transmission fluids were likely much less sophisticated than they are now.  I would imagine with the best of the modern fluids, change interval can be extended, but...  a liter of transmission fluid is cheap, and it seems worth just using the gearbox manufacturer's recommendation and not being cheap about it.

Don't forget--when checking the level on this, you do not screw the dipstick in to take a level reading. Just drop it in.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Bill, I am getting ready to change the fluid as well. I have not found a plug ,could you confirm there is one and where, I am surprised that it only takes 3/4 of a liter. I am sure I was told to use 40w oil in the past, its been awhile . I did not think you would need to change it yearly, I am over due by a couple of years. I have 150,000 miles on my truck and I think I have replaced the fluid twice . I wonder if that is why, I needed a new trans a few years ago. I will start changing it ,when I change my oil.
Thanks,
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 4:46 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

 
Paul,

I think I remember that you have the Volvo TMD22 engine.  If so, this applies to you...

You have to be a very careful talking about the ZF transmissions.  The ZF25M transmission that came on the Volvo TMD22 is a manual shift transmission, and holds about 0.75 liters of DEXTRAN IV automatic transmission fluid, NOT 90 weight oil.  The same exact machine was called an HBW250 before ZF and Hurth joined forces.

Other engines used a ZF25 transmission, which is a hydraulic shifting model with larger horsepower capacity and a completely different design.  It causes no end of confusion with model numbers so similar and actual designs so different!

The recommendation for change interval in my manual for the ZF25M is "Once a year." There is no change interval recommended based on hours of operation.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: zink anode of the starboard side doesn’t corrode

greatketch@...
 


Olaf,

The only reason that one zinc would not corrode as expected is that it is not making proper electrical contact with the bonding system.  

When you are hauled out, check for continuity between the problem zinc, and the rudder post in the aft cabin. You will likely find that the connection is broken.  

Once you remove the zinc, you might quickly find the problem with the bolt or the zinc.  If the problem is not obvious right there, you'll need to dive deeper into the internal structure of the rudder to find the problem.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <olaf_renos@...> wrote :

Hello AMELians,

I found out that the zink anode on starboard side doesn't corrode. What could be the reason? What I have to check?

The zink anode on portside corrode as expected.



Thanks so much in advance

 

Fair winds

Olaf

 

S/V Sayonara II, SM2K 392

currently in Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Marine Surveyors

Joey Roane
 

Thanks John and Mark,

I reached out to Dave to check his availability.  Much appreciated.

Best,

Joey



---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

I second Dave Huffman. He was referred to us by Joel Potter when we purchased Cream Puff and we have recommended him to other Amel owners since. He knows his way around an Amel.

 

http://www.huffmanmarinesurveys.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Marine Surveyors

 

 

Hi Joey,

   I used Dave Huffman.  He has done more than a few Amels.  He is based in Tampa but will travel to survey.  Of course if you can get Olivier then I would go with Olivier.  

 

Regards,  John

 

SV Annie SM37

Le Marin, Martinique

 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 7:20 PM x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,

 

I am currently in the market for a SM and was wondering if anyone here can recommend a pre-purchase surveyor who has strong knowledge of Amel systems and tech.  It would be a bonus if the person was located in the Annapolis, Maryland area.  Thanks for any guidance here.

 

Best,

 

Joey


zink anode of the starboard side doesn’t corrode

olaf_renos@...
 

Hello AMELians,

I found out that the zink anode on starboard side doesn't corrode. What could be the reason? What I have to check?

The zink anode on portside corrode as expected.



Thanks so much in advance

 

Fair winds

Olaf

 

S/V Sayonara II, SM2K 392

currently in Martinique



What are the todo’s before and after haulot of a SM2K

olaf_renos@...
 

Hello AMELians,


In two weeks my SM2K will be haul out. For me it is the first time of a haul out with a SM2K.

What would you suggest to do before and (directly) after haul out?

 

That’s my current list:

 

Before haul out

-          Empty the black water tanks and fill up with 0.5 Ltr vegetable oil. Open and close shortly the valves.

 

After haulout

-          Flush the Main engine, the generator and the AC’s with fresh water.

 

 

What else?

 

Thanks so much in advance.

 

Fair winds

Olaf

 

S/V Sayonara II, SM2K 392

currently in Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How much oil and dipstick reading.

 

When I went to the Yanmar school the instructor said that connecting a hose to the dip-stick tube and pumping will remove the majority of the oil. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 00:49 Paul Stascavage pstas2003@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

I believe we have the same motor and I have experienced the same with the installed pump being incapable of getting out all the old oil. 

I pump until nothing comes out, and then add a quart or two of fresh oil. I wait a few minutes for it to drain to the bottom of the pan and pump that out. I repeat the process one more time before adding and topping off the oil. I have found this makes a huge difference in the length of time the oil starts to look dirty. I do the same with the Onan. 

I have no idea if it is worth the expense of the extra oil but the way I look at it oil is cheap compared to a new engine and I sleep better. 

All the best,

Paul Stascavage 
SM 466
Cruising New England 

www.RitaKathryn.com




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster rebuild on a SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Graham,

During the bow thruster overhauled I did, twice I did not put the 30 x 42 x 8 oil seal properly and the 90 weight oil slowly leaked from the tuffnol shaft. So had to put a new one.

For info, since May 2016, Amel is suggesting using a 29 x 42 x 8 Oil Seal, but force will be required to push it in.
So this might be your solution.

Here is the complete overhaul:
http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 9/2/18, crwggb@yahoo.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster rebuild on a SM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 2, 2018, 4:21 AM


 









Replaced the underwater seal on the
plastic shaft (on which the bow thruster prop is mounted)
and very quickly the oil was leaking out. I suspect this
shaft has become so worn the standard seal is now too
big.
1 Anyone tried just using a
"tighter seal?
2 Any advice on a complete
rebuild of the whole unit/ getting the parts from Amel? This
is my preferred option.
Graham Sula SM140Hong
Kong


Re: Installing diesel heating on a Super Maramu

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Jeppe,

Very, very interesting that Amel built most of the saloon and forward cabin pass through/ducting even on those boats that neither have forced air nor heating from the factory!  Since the hard part on any unheated sailboat is obviously finding the space for these thick air ducts, I guess Amel already did well over half of the job compared to many other sailboat makes.

This means that the decision to go Hydronic for non-heated/non-force-air-ventilated boats is not as self-evident as I had thought; those wanting to install an Airtronic would not be starting from zero at all.  But people wanting to install Hydronic could also try and profit from the existing Amel buildout, so it's a benefit for them as well.

Now, as to the ducting to the aft cabin: SM's with the heating or the forced-air option have a nifty, thick stainless steel tube that runs fore to aft, across the aft head, above the toilet seat.  This is the duct that connects the furnace in the cockpit locker to its exhaust in the aft cabin, immediately above the A/C exhaust.  When the Airtronic gets turned on, this tube gets warm, providing a bit of warmth to the area.  At some point after hull #350 was built, Amel installed a subsidiary sliding door/grilled exhaust longitudinally on the tube so that some warm air can issue inside the aft head, for even better heating, if so desired. 

Cheers,

Peregrinus
SM2K N°. 350 (2002)
Under sail, Sicily to Valletta


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Expected RPM at WOT

Courtney Gorman
 

Cheers Porter
Sounds like you are all in the right state..........of mind!!
Courtney
svTrippin



-----Original Message-----
From: Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Expected RPM at WOT

 
Thanks Courtney 
Maybe that’s the way to go!!

We’re getting a top lesson in patience, and despite this situation enjoying the hell out of ourselves. Whales galore, beautiful islands, dolphins on the bow for hours at a time. Girls getting back into school. Awesome and incredibly understanding and supportive wife and family, cool and helpful folks at our “local marina” ha!  Now I really have to learn the white floppy things above us!   And this is an amazing boat.  The plan was to reject the usual and let the world mold us into something new, tighter, more appreciative, patient, sentient and kind. It’s happening. The trip is on the inside. 

We’ll get there! Whenever there is ready for us. 

That’s our mantra this am!

Porter and Crew
S/V IBIS 54-152
Isla Contadora, Panama







Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Sep 1, 2018, at 5:02 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Sounds to me that you should just go fast!  LOL 
Sorry for your continued difficulties, just keep enjoying paradise and smile, it makes everything better!  Cheers
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
54 #101 Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Expected RPM at WOT

 
Dean thank you


The turbo does spin up. More with load of course. I am able to measure pressure. 


1000 rpm temp 78c and 0 kPa quiet
1500 rpm temp 79c and 20 kPa high pitched whir sound bit no vibration
2000 rpm temp 81c and 70 kPa quiet
2200 rpm WOT 84c and 110/120 kPa quiet


Volvo has yet to respond. 

Porter. 
A54-152



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 31, 2018, at 3:16 PM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups...com> wrote:

 
Hi Porter,
No question remains in my mind that this is a problem for Volvo.

Re Nick’s observation, does the turbo spin up?
I wonder if the turbo is load controlled or just rpm controlled.
If it operates in concert with load being applied, maybe the fault is still associated with the boost sensor.

I’ll check mine in the morning for comparison.

Cheers
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I am getting ready to change the fluid as well. I have not found a plug ,could you confirm there is one and where, I am surprised that it only takes 3/4 of a liter. I am sure I was told to use 40w oil in the past, its been awhile . I did not think you would need to change it yearly, I am over due by a couple of years. I have 150,000 miles on my truck and I think I have replaced the fluid twice . I wonder if that is why, I needed a new trans a few years ago. I will start changing it ,when I change my oil.
Thanks,
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 4:46 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF transmission

 
Paul,

I think I remember that you have the Volvo TMD22 engine.  If so, this applies to you...

You have to be a very careful talking about the ZF transmissions.  The ZF25M transmission that came on the Volvo TMD22 is a manual shift transmission, and holds about 0.75 liters of DEXTRAN IV automatic transmission fluid, NOT 90 weight oil.  The same exact machine was called an HBW250 before ZF and Hurth joined forces.

Other engines used a ZF25 transmission, which is a hydraulic shifting model with larger horsepower capacity and a completely different design.  It causes no end of confusion with model numbers so similar and actual designs so different!

The recommendation for change interval in my manual for the ZF25M is "Once a year." There is no change interval recommended based on hours of operation.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Bow thruster rebuild on a SM

Graham Boyd
 

Replaced the underwater seal on the plastic shaft (on which the bow thruster prop is mounted) and very quickly the oil was leaking out. I suspect this shaft has become so worn the standard seal is now too big.


1 Anyone tried just using a "tighter seal?


2 Any advice on a complete rebuild of the whole unit/ getting the parts from Amel? This is my preferred option.


Graham 

Sula 

SM140

Hong Kong  


Re: How much oil and dipstick reading.

Paul Stascavage
 

Eric,

I believe we have the same motor and I have experienced the same with the installed pump being incapable of getting out all the old oil. 

I pump until nothing comes out, and then add a quart or two of fresh oil. I wait a few minutes for it to drain to the bottom of the pan and pump that out. I repeat the process one more time before adding and topping off the oil. I have found this makes a huge difference in the length of time the oil starts to look dirty. I do the same with the Onan. 

I have no idea if it is worth the expense of the extra oil but the way I look at it oil is cheap compared to a new engine and I sleep better. 

All the best,

Paul Stascavage 
SM 466
Cruising New England 

www.RitaKathryn.com




Re: Onan Water Pump

Paul Stascavage
 

As an added precaution. I always close the sea cock and run fresh water through the system to be worked on for a few minutes before replacing impellers or hoses etc. this method provides and added level of security in case things go differently then anticipated.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM 466
Cruising New England

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: ZF transmission

Dean Gillies
 

Sorry Paul,
I led you up the garden path! I was talking about the ZF25 Hydrailic Transmission .
I’m not familiar with SM systems. (Actually I’m still not that familiar with all my 54 systems for that matter !!)
Cheers
Dean


Re: Repower questions

Graham Boyd
 

Dave,

I too have been looking at the Beta to replace my TMD22....no turbo and Kubota parts world wide. Could you put me in touch with your client? Is it a SM he/she has? It would be great to talk to some one who has taken the step away from turbo charged volvo/yanmars. I also want as few electronic control boxes as poss....not too many diagnostic machines in SE Asia.

Graham 
SM140
Sula 
Hong Kong


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Seat photos in boat.

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Seat photos in boat.

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric, I'm not one of those but if you could sit on the Amel stool, i guess you could sit on this.

Regards

Danny (not Paul)

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 02 September 2018 at 15:33 "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Paul,
Is it adequate for a xxl person?
Fair Winds,
Eric 
SM376 Kimberlite



On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Hi Eric,
I don't have that measurement but it is adequate.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299 
Ocean Pearl

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 at 12:38, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Danny,
I forgot to ask , what is the distance from the seat back to the front edge of the Nav station lid?
Thanks
Eric



On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 08:24 PM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny ,
Is this a vetus seat?
Very good looking!
Fair Winds,
ric
SM 376 Kiberlite


On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 02:57 PM, Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
[Attachment(s) from Danny Simms included below]

 

This is "deluxe seat MA 704-31"
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Danny Simms <sailorman.ds@...>
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 13:18
Subject: Seat photos in boat.
To: < Sailw32@...>


Hi Pat. Hope this helps
Danny
 
 
 
 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Seat photos in boat.

eric freedman
 

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