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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Insurance Providers

smiles bernard
 

I’m also now using Y Yachts following a steer from this forum. 
I’ve been really impressed with their help so far

All the best
Miles


On 4 Sep 2018, at 21:58, x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks everyone, extremely helpful info here.  In summation:


  • Conforming to modern industry code for HIN on an Amel can be a futile task
  • USAA is not everyone's cup of tea.
  • Scott Stusek is the answer
Much appreciated.

Best,

Joey


Iririum Ext. Antenna coax connector

Eric Freedman
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 7:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iririum Ext. Antenna

 

 

Eric, We are sending back the cable today for a 40 ft. cable,I think that will be long enough ??? It sounds like you also did not run it through the conduit. The small end of the cable is only 3/4 " , I was thinking that I should be able to run it without cutting the end off,I would prefer that. It will fit through the clam fitting and the round rubber seal has a split in it so it can wrap around the cable. Anyway, now that I have decided to return the cable for a longer one ,I should be able to run it one way or another.I will call and ask about sending me that gold connector.

Thanks,

Pat

SM123



-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2018 2:37 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iririum Ext. Antenna

 

Hi Pat,

I installed a clam deck fitting on the transom.

I cut the connector off and ran the cable through the  clam fitting. I purchased a fitting exactly like Amel used for the other wires going through the bulkhead and the ssb radio antenna cable.  I then ran the cable through this new fitting on the bulkhead.Then along where the other cables are running over the cabinet, over the hanging locker and into the overhead of the mid ships bunk and finally to  the nav station.

 

I would speak to whoever you bought the cable from and see if you can exchange it for a longer cable. I an not a fan of spliced coax. Just more signal loss in the cable and and one more connection to go wrong. You can buy a new connector that simply clamps on the end of the cut cable. Get a g old plated one.

Fair Winds,

Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

 


On Mon, Sep 03, 2018 at 03:04 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am trying to install an Iridium antenna on the aft starboard rail .The conduit is unfortunately undersized to house all the wires running fore and aft. The antenna wire has a 3/4" connector already installed and I think the chances of pulling it through is nil. The port side would be easier , but then I could not get over to the Nav station. I only see two options, one drill a 3/4" hole in 13 cabinet walls directly under the conduit or second option ,mount it in the aft cabin. If mounted in the aft cabin would the blue tooth signal go through the fiberglass up to the cockpit ? Would the tracking work? Would someone that already has wiring in the conduit for ssb,solar, wind gen.and lights tell me how they ran the cable aft. 

I know some roll the cable out to use it, and roll it up to store it . But the cable is stiff and storing rolled up does not seem like an option I would like . 

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 1985 Maramu for sale

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Ian.  I’m glad to say mirrors what I’ve heard from others.

Bob

On Sep 5, 2018, at 3:03 AM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,
I think advertising things on this site is not what the site is about. BUT - I do think that letting folk know that you are selling an Amel is exactly one of the things this site should be for. There are folk who have joined because they’re are en route to buying an Amel, or upgrading from their current Amel or as AMEL,owners we may well be asked if we know of any for sale.
I hope others agree.

Hope your sale goes well.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Insurance Providers

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

I use Y Yachts also.  I particularly like their clear terms and conditions.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Neiafu, Vava’u Island, Tonga.

On 5 Sep 2018, at 07:54, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Joey!

We use y yacht in England, it has worked very well for as, we had a major grounding last year and it was very easy to communicate with them and the damage was settled very swiftly. The cost was by fare the lowest we have found, less than 1% of the value and low deductible, less than 3000 € for hull damage.
No demand on new rigging we still have the original standing rigg
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

Alan Leslie
 

Excellent Bill !

Thanks very much for the detailed response.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Amel Insurance Providers

Brent Cameron
 

Joey, not sure where the 10 digit number comes from but I suspect it is a pre-1997 boat and they've dropped the leading zeros as the SM’s before 1997 seem to have 12 digit serial numbers beginning with 0030017SM followed by the 3 digit hull number so they are pretty easy to construct even if you only know the year and hull number.  As an example, Will Stout’s very pretty hull number 180 was built in 1996 (I chose this because I don’t know of any later 1996’s) and would have a HIN of 0030017SM180.  

In 1997, the serial numbers moved to the new format where it begins with AMLSM followed by the three digit hull number followed by a letter indicating the month it was considered to have been built (A = January, B=February, etc) followed by a one digit build year (e.g. 7 for 1997) and a 2 digit model year (e.g. 98 for 1998).  As an example, hull number 317 (the somewhat infamous Yashar/Papa II/Lady Divina) was built in 2000 but was a 2001.  Its HIN is AMLSM317K001.   

You really can’t construct those without knowing the HIN unless you happen to know the month and year it was CONSIDERED to have been built in addition to the model year and hull number.  The problem was that Amel changed model years most years in September as the yard was generally off for the French August holidays  but not always (they introduced the new Super Maramu 2000’s in July for instance).  The build month also varies quite a bit from the delivery date as well.  I’ve seen lots of references to the fact that the boat was delivered in one month but it had a build date that was 3-4 months different.   Net is, you'll need to get those off the boat (they seem to have them stamped on the transom somewhere after 1997) unless it was US registered in which case you can find them by doing a search on the yacht name in the Coast Guard Registry database https://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/st1/CoastGuard/VesselByName.html

I've got a chart I use to decode HIN's on the Amel SM's.  (I haven't tried it on other Amel's so don't know if it works on 54's or SN's).  

Good luck!

Brent Cameron 
(Also future Super Maramu owner)


Re: Amel Insurance Providers

x_holdfast_x@...
 

Thanks everyone, extremely helpful info here.  In summation:

  • Conforming to modern industry code for HIN on an Amel can be a futile task
  • USAA is not everyone's cup of tea.
  • Scott Stusek is the answer
Much appreciated.

Best,

Joey


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Insurance Providers

Mark Garver
 

Joey,

We use Pantaenius America, Ltd and have had nothing but great results with them. From first contact, we had insurance papers in about a week, maybe two.

Mark
S/V It’s Good
Amel SM #105


On Sep 4, 2018, at 10:25 AM, x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


I spent today calling several different insurance companies to get quotes on covering an Amel SM.  Here was the outcome:


USAA: Does not have Amel listed as a manufacturer in their database (nada.com)

Progressive: Similar situation to Amel and they say the HID needs to be 12 characters (I was given 10 by the seller)


I am surprised that Amel is not in their system as a boat manufacturer.  Is there a company that most Amel owners use?  Is this a common obstacle for owners trying to find insurance for an Amel?


Thanks for any help here.


Best,


Joey



Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

greatketch@...
 

Sorry if this repeats, I posted it once, but Yahoo seems to have sent it into the cyber ether...

Alan,

I am a little ahead of you on this project. 

If you look under the drive pulley, you'll find a cotter pin through the stainless steel drive tube.  Pull this pin, and the drive tube and pulley will lift out of the lower Delrin bearing in the stanchion base.  Pull it to one side, and then it will drop down out of the upper bearing at the top of the stanchion.  Now you have it in hand.

I have attached a photo of the drive tube with the pulleys removed...

On the pulleys as installed on my boat, the holes in both the upper and lower flanges were threaded.  On the new pulleys we just received from Amel, only the lower holes are threaded. It will be a lot easier for you if yours are like the new ones!  The new ones have a keyway cut in them which is not used in the assembly on my older boat.

The following assumes that the existing pulley flanges are not worth saving. Mine certainly were not!

I used a cutting wheel in my angle grinder to cut the bolts between the two halves of the pulley. Be careful not to cut into the drive tube! That released the lower pulley flange.  If the holes for the machine screws in the upper flange are NOT tapped, you should now have an easy time of it, some tapping and prying and the upper flange should come off.

If the upper holes are also threaded, you are only half way there.  I could not figure out a way to cut the screws without risking damage to the drive tube, so I needed to unscrew them.

Get a torch. MAPP gas would be the best, propane will work, but a bit slower.  Not a little pencil torch, a big one.  Everything is metal, so you can't hut it.

Heat the aluminum pulley flange.  Heat it HOT.  When you think it is hot enough, heat it more.  You likely can't get it to glow red, but if you could that would be great!  Now, plunge it into a bucket of cold water. Be careful of hot steam and splashing water.  Try to remove screws.  Repeat.  It WILL eventually work. Might take three or four heating/cooling cycles.

Be sure your screwdriver fits the slot in the machine screws exactly.  If you mangle the slot, you will have made this harder.  This is one case where if the head twists off, it actually counts as a win!

Alternatively, you can drill/grind the heads off the machine screws. When the heads are thin enough, you can use a center punch to drive them down with the screws still stuck in the pulley flange. This is tough to do without marring the stainless drive flange.

When reassembling, be sure to use lots of Tef-Gel or Lanocote, or whatever flavor of corrosion inhibiting anti-sieze you swear by.  Be sure to coat every place two metal parts touch.  If you do, it will come apart--without drama--in 10 years.

Aren't boats FUN???

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


mizzen furler failure

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,

Yesterday while unfurling the mizzen on my Super Maramu, the handle stopped turning the furler extrusion and it seemed to pop out a bit.  Removing the black plastic bushing around where the winch handle attaches resulted in the entire "barrel" sliding out (photo of this piece is attached).  I haven't figured out why it came apart nor how to put it back together.  I'm hoping someone can offer some ideas:

  • I can't find any discussion of this furling mechanism in the Amel manuals, nor any diagrams on this mailing list's files section... does anyone have a diagram?
  • Is the outer part of the barrel meant to screw into the gearbox, and the inner part turns inside it when you crank on the handle?  That would make sense, but what prevents unscrewing the outer part every time you unfurl, which is apparently what happened to me?
  • There is a lot of friction between the inner and outer parts parts of the barrel and no obvious way to disassemble them (the screw inside where the winch handle goes doesn't do anything).  What is the recommended way to disassemble/lubricate this?
  • How do I put it back together?  I tried the obvious thing of sliding it back in and turning clockwise with a winch handle, which seemed to engage a thread or two on the gearbox, but then the gears start to mesh and I can't go further.
Thanks!

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: Amel Insurance Providers

Paul Osterberg
 

Joey!
We use y yacht in England, it has worked very well for as, we had a major grounding last year and it was very easy to communicate with them and the damage was settled very swiftly. The cost was by fare the lowest we have found, less than 1% of the value and low deductible, less than 3000 € for hull damage.
No demand on new rigging we still have the original standing rigg
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Insurance Providers

amelforme
 

I agree with Denise. I have placed most of my Amel buyers with them for years. I use Scott Stusek who is the best insurance agent I have seen in more than 40 years of selling cruising boats. His number at Pantaenius is

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Sep 4, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Denise McGovern Mcgovern.denise@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We use Pantaenius and had no problem getting coverage.   
Denise McGovern
S/V Cara
SM #440


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Insurance Providers

amelforme
 

I agree with Denise. I have placed most of my Amel  buyers with Pantaenius for many years . Scott Stusek has done an extremely professional job with my clients and is a first class agent. He is as good at his job as I have seen. He will send me a good bottle or bourbon for saying this...
Seriously now,  Give him a call and you will be impressed with how he goes about his business. 443-569-7995

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Sep 4, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Denise McGovern Mcgovern.denise@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We use Pantaenius and had no problem getting coverage.   
Denise McGovern
S/V Cara
SM #440


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello
When we replaced ours earlier this year, were also given the flojet 4105-512 as the exact equivalent of the frigoboat one. ( 12v, maxA & flow).
There are several versions of this pump -4 models tab

Been working fine since. 

Soraya & Thomas
Garulfo 
A54-122
Curacao 






On 3 Sep 2018, at 12:46, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Scott,

Having gone through this earlier this year and after a conversation with Coastal Climate Control in Annapolis, MD, a representative of Frigoboat I believe that the 4105-512 1.6 gpm Flojet pump is the correct pump.  They assured me that the flow rate and 12 volts are correct.  The pump interface takes care of the apparent voltage mismatch. The higher flow rate and increased current draw provided by the 4105-343 is not warranted.

I have the 4105-512 on a very similar Amel, #68.  The refrigeration operates well.  The -512 suffix specifies motor voltage and 3/4" hose barb fittings. 

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54 - 68
Hampton, VA


Re: Amel Insurance Providers

greatketch@...
 

Joey,

A ten digit number was never a valid HIN.  The original system used 12, and most boats now use 15.

The catch is at the time of manufacture of the boat you are looking an HIN was not yet standard on all boats built in France.

It seems Amel put HINs on some boats and not others.  Ours, for example, has none.  Well... kind of.  All the paperwork for our boat lists a 12 digit number in a very non-standard format as the HIN--but it is not on the hull anywhere.  But nobody has ever noticed or cared...

But all that aside...  insurance will be not problem.  Contact Scott Stusek (sstusek "AT" pantaenius.com) in Annapolis.  He can give you information about Pantaenius insurance.  They know and love Amels.  Nobody has any trouble with getting their boats insured with a number of various yacht insurers.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Insurance Providers

Mark Erdos
 

Joey,

 

First, USAA are a bunch of idiots. We did business with them for years and have slowly moved away from them as they continue to fall behind in customer service. If you want expensive home or car insurance then these are the clowns to call. One day, ask me how I really feel about USAA.

 

For good boat insurance there are many options. We have used this one and thing they are awesome. We have referred many people to Pantaneaus and all have been pleased.  This is the guy to call:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@... | www.pantaenius.com

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Insurance Providers

 

 

Hi all,

 

I spent today calling several different insurance companies to get quotes on covering an Amel SM.  Here was the outcome:

 

USAA: Does not have Amel listed as a manufacturer in their database (nada.com)

Progressive: Similar situation to Amel and they say the HID needs to be 12 characters (I was given 10 by the seller)

 

I am surprised that Amel is not in their system as a boat manufacturer.  Is there a company that most Amel owners use?  Is this a common obstacle for owners trying to find insurance for an Amel?

 

Thanks for any help here.

 

Best,

 

Joey

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Insurance Providers

 

Joey,

HIN numbers have changed over the years. You do not state your Amel model, year or hull, so I don't think anyone can help you further. Maybe a google search will give you all of the answers. If I remember correctly, you just joined our group and you are searching for an Amel. I assume that you are doing due-diligence on costs, etc. You may want to visit BeBe's Blog and specifically the COSTS tab. 

USAA probably would not and may not insure EU boats. When I checked with them, they did not insure boats outside of the US. The best insurance company changes from year-to-year, and we all have to go with the flow. I am currently negotiating for an insurance policy for Amel School Clients, leveraging the total client base for the best policy and value. Hopefully before the end of the year, I will have more to say about that.

It is easy for Amel owners to get insurance. You probably haven't yet approached Pantaenius US or Velos, which seem to currently be the leading insurers of my US and UK clients.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:54 AM x_holdfast_x@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


I spent today calling several different insurance companies to get quotes on covering an Amel SM.  Here was the outcome:


USAA: Does not have Amel listed as a manufacturer in their database (nada.com)

Progressive: Similar situation to Amel and they say the HID needs to be 12 characters (I was given 10 by the seller)


I am surprised that Amel is not in their system as a boat manufacturer.  Is there a company that most Amel owners use?  Is this a common obstacle for owners trying to find insurance for an Amel?


Thanks for any help here.


Best,


Joey



Re: Amel Insurance Providers

Denise McGovern
 

We use Pantaenius and had no problem getting coverage.   
Denise McGovern
S/V Cara
SM #440


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

greatketch@...
 

Alan,

You are in luck!  I am just a bit ahead of you on this... I have attached a photo of the stainless drive tube after the flanges were removed.  On mine, the machine screws were threaded into BOTH flanges of the pulley, so getting the bottom pulley flange off meant I was half done...

The new ones from Amel (which we JUST unpacked) are thru-drilled on the top flange so you might get lucky... 

Underneath the pulley, under where it goes through the stanchion base, there is a cotter pin.  Pull that out Now you can lift the vertical stainless steel drive tube out of the lower Delrin bearing in the stanchion base. Pull it to one side, and lower it out of the top bearing.  Now you have the assembly in hand...  

As for those M5 machine screws that hold the flanges of the pulley on... if they were assembled without some type of corrosion block, they will be very difficult to remove.  I'd suggest the following approach (assuming the existing pulley is beyond saving):

With the assembly in hand you can drop it off at the local machine shop and have them do it... 

OR

Do it the hard way (like I did)

Cut the machine screws between the flanges (be careful not to cut through the drive tube!)  I used a cutting wheel on my angle grinder.  That allows the lower pulley flange to drop off.  If your flanges are thru drilled on the top pulley flange you are likely done at this point other than a little tapping to separate the upper flange and screw.  If not... continue...

I could find no good way of cutting the bolts off the top pulley flange without damaging the stainless drive tube flange.  So get a torch. MAPP gas if you have it. Propane will work, but a bit slower.  No tiny pencil torches, something big. It's all metal, so you can't hurt anything. At the risk of being too obvious, don't heat in place on the boat. You can't get it nearly hot enough without destroying the Delrin bearing and likely the surrounding fiberglass!

Heat one of the bolts and the aluminum pulley flange.  Hot.  No, hotter.  Really, REALLY HOT. You probably can't get it hot enough to glow red, but that wouldn't be bad! Now, plunge it into cold water.  Be careful of steam and hot water splash!  Try to remove the screw.  Repeat as needed.  This process will eventually work. 

Be sure your screwdriver is a perfect fit for the slot in the screw.  If you mangle the slot, you have a more complex problem.  If you twist off the head of the screw, in this case that counts as a win!

As an alternative,  You can carefully drill/grind off the heads of the machine screws.  It will be difficult to do this without marking up the stainless flange underneath.  But if you get the head of the screws thin enough, you can use a center punch to drive them down and out while still stuck in the pulley flange.

When you reassemble, be sure to use Tef-gel, Lanocote, or whatever other flavor of corrosion block you prefer, very liberally on ALL surfaces where aluminum touches stainless.  If you do that, it will come apart without drama in 10 years.

Aren't boats fun???

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA




---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

Thanks Bill,

Pricey parts.

Does anyone know how that mechanism comes apart ?

I loosened off the rope that goes around the pulley and tried in vain to remove the 3 bolts that go through the flange and into the pulley parts. Even my impact wrench with a big hammer failed to move them.
My guess is that they are stainless bolts threaded into the bottom half of the alloy pulley and that's the issue.

Has anyone successfully taken this apart, that could explain how it goes together ?
And how to get those bolts out!

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Vanuatu


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 1985 Maramu for sale

Ian Park
 

Bob,
I think advertising things on this site is not what the site is about. BUT - I do think that letting folk know that you are selling an Amel is exactly one of the things this site should be for. There are folk who have joined because they’re are en route to buying an Amel, or upgrading from their current Amel or as AMEL,owners we may well be asked if we know of any for sale.
I hope others agree.

Hope your sale goes well.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

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