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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing eng mounts

eric freedman
 

Hi ,

Here are some photos that might be helpful to change the motor mounts.

The middle photo shows how I removed the coupling from the sail drive it is a very tuight fit an when I installed the Amel modified coupling I took a few thousands of an inch from the inside of the doupling.

The C drive shaft and the coupling are the exact same diameter.

The other photo shows the bolts that are used to reconnect the coypling.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/photostream/lightbox/30799780?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/30799780

 

 

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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing eng mounts

 

 

Alan,

 

I just uploaded all the files and pics that Olivier sent me here:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Yanmar%204JH3-HTE%20Alignment%20Information/

 

Good luck! 

 

Mark McGovern

SM 440 Cara

Deale, MD USA

 


Re: Replacing eng mounts

mfmcgovern@...
 

Alan,

I just uploaded all the files and pics that Olivier sent me here:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Yanmar%204JH3-HTE%20Alignment%20Information/

Good luck! 

Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


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Re: Replacing eng mounts

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Mark that is awesome. Just what i needed. I have even done what Olivier says up to the point of removing the C drive mounts. Do you happen to have the picture he sent you. That would help me when i get someone to make the fitting. I can probably even ship you the fitting once i'm done.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: Replacing eng mounts

mfmcgovern@...
 

Alan,

I am going to replace our engine mounts later this year or early next. I asked Olivier Beaute if he had any tips for me and he sent me the following information :


Hello Mark,

this is something you probably can do, considering your "automotive" background.
The main thing is to be meticulous.

First about your questions:
-You don't absolutely need to replace the VETUS coupling if it is in good condition:
-the steel rods that hold the rubber "donuts" must not have moved from the steel hub, if so, replace the coupling
-the holes for the bolts should not be damaged (ovalized), otherwise, replace the coupling
However, you will probably need to replace the donuts, easy to buy from VETUS.
If you need to replace the whole VETUS coupling, it is a standard coupling from VETUS, for a 35mm diameter shaft, with a key way for the C-drive input shaft BUT AMEL has the aluminium part machined in order it "enters" the gear-box flange. You will see this when the gear-box is disconnected from the coupling (and if you compare with your new VETUS coupling).

Before touching the tools, make pictures and take notes (measurements of all the fittings, position of the nuts on the rubber mounts, position of the engine on the steel cradle, position of the shaft brake disc, etc...).
Start with disconnecting the hoses that could prevent you from moving the engine backwards on its cradle.
Then undo the coupling bolts and the engine steel supports' bolts (attaching the engine on the steel cradle).
Then move the engine backwards enough to remove the coupling bolts.
Undo the C-drive bolts of its rubber mounts. Remove these mounts. the C-drive will be held by the big rubber sleeve at the bottom.
Lift the engine just enough to be able to lift the cradle and remove and replace the YANMAR mounts with their lower nut set approximately like the previous ones were.
Re-install the C-drive mounts.

Then comes the alignment process.
AMEL uses a tool which is a steel coupling machined so that its aft side "enters" the gear-box flange (see pictures and drawing). You can also pre-install the new coupling and adjust the position of the mounts.
First bring the engine forward and make sure the coupling is centered with the gear-box flange, and can enter the gap in the flange.
Then move the engine a little bit backwards and check that the gap between the flange and the aft side of the coupler is even all around the circumference. To adjust this, you need "thickness wedges" (used in the automotive industry) and play with the rubber mounts nuts to make the gap even.
Then bring the engine forward and tighten the bolts on the cradle and on the mounts.

The advantage of using the tool AMEL uses is that it is easier to install while checking the gaps.
If you need to make one, here's a drawing of the alignment tool for a YANMAR 4JH3-HTE.
The inside diameter (C-drive input shaft) is 35 mm.
The outside diameter is 100 mm.
The diameter of the part that enters the gear-box flange cylindric gap is 62.8 mm, thickness 3 mm.

You should use a VETUS fixed coupling for 35mm shafts, then have it machined to make the 62.8mm "plug" and drilled for the four bolts that should match the flange holes.

I think AMEL still sells the VETUS machined coupling, you will ask Maud when she's back from holidays.

Hope this is clear enough.

Best regards.


--
Olivier BEAUTE / ATLANTIC YACHT SURVEY
10 allée du Bout dehors
17000 LA ROCHELLE
Tel: +33 546 522 147 Mob: +33 674 028 243
http://atlanticyachtsurvey.com

Now you see why I recommend Olivier to everyone.
Hope this helps you.

Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing eng mounts

John Clark
 


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 10:39 PM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Alan are you performing this work in the water or hauled out?  

I think you can separate the c-drive from the engine cradle.  The c-drive will rest on the keel ballast while you lif the engine cradle.  

If you release the clamps from the boot water will come into the boat....and the C-drive will still be attached to the keel and will not move.

No oil will leak out.    

Joel Potter is in Lauderdale...perhaps if you buy him lunch he can meet with you and give you some pointers...or sail south and meet me in Martinique in a few weeks.  ;)


Regards  John

SV Annie
SM37
Prickly Bay, Grenada


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 4:20 PM bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All, I'm replacing the yanmar 4jh3-the eng mounts. It looks like I need to lift the eng frame 2 inches. There is a rubber boot that connects to the hull at the bottom of the C drive. If I disconnect the hose clamps at the top of that rubber boot will any oil spill out and will that allow me to lift the frame up.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: Making O Rings

rossirossix4
 

Good.  I had put it out there as a possible answer to the O Ring problem with the emergency rudder cap but when I changed the subject to make it more searchable it became stand-alone....anyway, not sure of the thickness of the O Ring used in the rudder cap but maybe it is an option, and yes, really handy for a cruiser

Bob and Suzanne


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing eng mounts

John Clark
 

Alan are you performing this work in the water or hauled out?  

I think you can separate the c-drive from the engine cradle.  The c-drive will rest on the keel ballast while you lif the engine cradle.  

If you release the clamps from the boot water will come into the boat....and the C-drive will still be attached to the keel and will not move.

No oil will leak out.    

Joel Potter is in Lauderdale...perhaps if you buy him lunch he can meet with you and give you some pointers...or sail south and meet me in Martinique in a few weeks.  ;)


Regards  John

SV Annie
SM37
Prickly Bay, Grenada


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 4:20 PM bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All, I'm replacing the yanmar 4jh3-the eng mounts. It looks like I need to lift the eng frame 2 inches. There is a rubber boot that connects to the hull at the bottom of the C drive. If I disconnect the hose clamps at the top of that rubber boot will any oil spill out and will that allow me to lift the frame up.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Roller Removal...

Dan Carlson
 

Hi Bill, it looks like it is welded.  I had to replace a broken pin on mine.  I found a clever welder and he ground out the welded edge very quickly with minimal loss of metal to remove thenold pin.  He then fashioned two ss 'washers' about 2 inches in diamete with the required 1/2 inch center hole for the pin (can't remember the exact deminsions) and welded these onto the 'ears' for reinforcement.  He then fashioned  a new pin with a flange on one end and a cotterpin through a hole on the other.  I think it better than it was new.  The original pin broke.

Dan Carlson, on sv BeBe, sm 387


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 6:31 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Thanks Bill,


That is sure what it look like... makes me wonder how they got it together in the first place!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass

karkauai
 

Ok, thanks Bill and Bill.  Going to check it out tomorrow.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Oct 6, 2018, at 4:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,


If there was no AC shore power connected, then that makes things a lot simpler--and safer.

24 Volts DC will normally not give enough current flow through the human body to notice. With very sweat-wet skin I have felt feel what might best be called a "tingle," not anything I'd call a "jolt" although it can be surprising.  

You can certainly put one hand on each terminal of a 24 Volt battery and not feel a thing, because your body has a far higher resistance than that wrench shorted across those same terminals.

Anything less than 50 Volts is normally considered "safe" for people.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie


Re: Replacing eng mounts

greatketch@...
 

Alan,

That rubber boot seals between the c-drive and the hull and keeps the ocean where it belongs on the outside of the boat.  Unless you are removing the c-drive (on the hard) you should not remove or loosen the boot.  

To replace the engine mounts, the c-drive will stay in place. The engine and transmission are disconnected from the c-drive at the coupling, and lifted with the frame.  C-drive stays where it is.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Roller Removal...

greatketch@...
 

Thanks Bill,

That is sure what it look like... makes me wonder how they got it together in the first place!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mail and package forwarding while cruising

greatketch@...
 

Ryan,

SBI charges actual shipping costs, so no large premium above what the shipment costs. Their handling is included as part of your regular monthly fee.

The shipping methods vary depending on the destination country. For outbound USA domestic shipments, USPS and UPS are normally used. For international shipments, DHL and FedEx are available--among others.

They usually know based on past experience the best choice.  Although if you are "out island" it is always a good idea to check to see what the local businesses use. Sometimes the only good option is a local freight forwarder.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote :

So it sounds like SBI is the way to go.  Their website doesn't have much to say about how they handle packages.  Is it reasonably priced to have them ship larger things?  They say they always ship via USPS, so it that a reliable service in most places?  I've heard FedEx is the only way to get things in a timely manner on many smaller islands.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:04 AM rxc@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I used SBI for 7 years, while we lived in France.  They give you a US address in Florida, and are very good at handling mail and even packages.  They sort out the junk, and make sure you get the stuff that you need.


Since they are in Florida, you can get a Florida drivers license and domicile, which can be important for tax and other financial purposes.  The local officials also seem to understand what is going on, and do not summon you to sit on juries when you are 4000 miles away...


Re: Emergency tiller cap O Ring

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

Your boat is newer than mine but our emergency tiller cap is the same way, just an eye bolt on top and not attached to anything.  The cap is very tight and does not remove easily, so I don't think there is much chance of losing it underway. We still have ours after a 40,000 mile circumnavigation.

Dennis
Libertad
Maramu #121

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