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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autoprop vs Maxprop and specs of each
Hi Alan Thanks for those comments which make me wonder if this is just a prop grease issue??? Let me explain ... Firstly I should say that this boat has never been cruised before Lauren and I set off 1.75 years ago. Up until before I owned it the previous owner had done just 600 hrs on the engine and half that on the generator in 10 years of ownership, plus employed an Amel technician bi-weekly for 10 years to care for her. Based on this I doubt that I could have any U Drive issues or major prop wear as we have been very careful owners too. I had originally intended to do my normal 2 year haul-out in Cape Town but we became pinned down by bad weather in Durban unable to get any 33hr+ weather windows to sail down to East London on this notoriously dangerous coastline. Because of this, and with time for the Cape Town haul-out dwindling, I haul out in Durban instead, and did the normal prop wearing bearing replacement, bottom paint, plus lifted the waterline stripe. On turning the prop blades out the water they didn't seem as smooth as normal, and on top of this, in my rush to get back into the water when a possible good weather window was forming, I did not re-grease the prop. That could possibly be the source of my issues, and rather foolish as I have always been so painstakingly careful to follow each and every step to the letter!! In fact I have never greased this prop as I simply sent it back to Bruntons last time to do the bearing change and grease in their factory. In order to make a run directly for Cape Town (900nm approx) I sailed out of Durban early into the end of the previous SW front and therefore had to motor sail for a day before we picked up good wind and current. Over the next 3 days we shot down the coast breaking all our past records with 3 consecutive 200nm days with our best ever 24hrs clocking up 225nm!! Great sailing indeed and we ran as hard as we could direct for Cape Town right out at sea with pole out and all sails up until rounding Cape Agulus (most southern tip of Africa) where we had to turn NW into un-predicted 30kts head wind and 4+ knot adverse current making for hard motoring to maintain just 3 kts forward motion. When I say hard, that means max 2000 RPM on the Yanmar 75 (very seldom would I ever run the motor above this). It was at this time that I noticed more prop noise and that there was a slight resultant vibration on the top of the UDrive unit only, not on the main engine side at all. We immediately reduced to usual 1400 - 1600 max revs and crawled into Cape Town to ensure no damage could be done. At those revs there was absolutely no vibration visable at all. I will drop you a personal email sometime regarding the Indian Ocean crossing as it has been awesome and I hghly recommend it, but course you can also follow our videos on "Sailing Island Pearl" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmvAE1BtOM7J8orw237BDgQ?view_as=subscriber , but in summary from far east Indonesia through Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Maldives, Chagos, Rodrigues, Mauritius, Runion, Madagascar and now South Africa we have spent 1.75 years in the Indian Ocean and absolutely loved every minute of it. We have faced 50+ knots, 6m+ seas and this boat has been unbelievable as it never ever felt unsafe or out of control to either myself or any crew on board. These are outstanding boats indeed and I learn to respect Captain Amel more and more every day that I sail and live aboard the Amel Super Maramu. Best regards Colin Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM#332. Royal Cape Yacht Club, Cape Town
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Re: Autoprop vs Maxprop and specs of each
Hi Colin,
i don't know where that information came from about later SMs having Maxprops. Elyse is 2004 and we have the Autoprop. i changed the bearings 4 years ago, even though there were no issues. It wasn't a difficult job with the right tools. We've since put 1300 hours on the engine and no problems with the Autoprop, no strange vibrations. I grease it every time we are out of the water for whatever reason. We'll do the bearings again next haul for C-drive, antifoul etc. How was your Indian Ocean crossing ? Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 Noumea
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail) [2 Attachments]
Same with me...on the waiting list
Jean-Luc Mertz posted pics of a plastic pulley just recently, but no information about them. Jean-Luc can you share some information about these pulleys? Is it possible to buy them from you, or...? I'm sure a lot of people like me would be interested. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 Noumea
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail) [2 Attachments]
Hello to the many, like me, is search of the elusive toe rail pulley (aka headsail car drive pulley). Inquiries to Maud at SAV Amel since August have yielded the same response – €214 each, not in stock, don’t know when, but will put you on the waiting list. Some have looked into machining from aluminum or printing in stainless steel…any luck? I have looking into the Andersen Winch fixed line tender (aka Amel mainsheet traveler tender) as that is the same function and size. While pricey, it seems also to be unavailable…at least I have not been able to find one new or used. (Should be a marine salvage part.) Has anyone found a source? Thanks, Mike Ondra ALETES SM#240
From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:20 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail) [2 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from Kelly Ran included below] Salut,
We have the same problem with one of ours. I modeled the pulley, and we are having a test unit printed out of 316 stainless. (See attached.) My guess is that it will take a couple of iterations to get this part completely right. Will let you know how it turns out.
Kelly + Ryan SM233 Iteration Boston
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, jlm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Autoprop vs Maxprop and specs of each
greatketch@...
Colin, If I was starting form a bare prop shaft, or from a fixed prop, my preference would be the Maxprop, but in your case, you have the Autoprop. I definitely agree with Bill Rouse that the performance differences between the two make it hard to justify the expense of changing from one to the other. You will find many more productive ways of spending the same amount of money! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote : We serviced our autoprop 18 months ago but with so much time in Asia, Maldives etc with little to no wind we have already exceeded the recommended 800 - 1000hrs use after which it is time to re-service the Autoprop by changing all bearings. Having done 1400 hrs since the last autoprop bearing replacement we have developed a very slight vibration noticeable at engine speeds over 1800 rpms which we saw previously and which disappeared as son as the autoprop bearings were replaced last time. I now hear that Amel moved the spec from Autoprop to Maxprop due to similar issues some years after our 2001 SM was manufactured? Question 1. Does anyone on this group know the specs of the correct sized Maxprop which would match our Yanmar 75hp on the SM? If not, what is the spec of the Maxprop which Amel fitted to later SM's? Question 2. Does anyone here have experience of both the Autoprop and the Maxprop on their SM's? Any noticable difference in performance, top speed and prop noise? We are in touch with Bruntons in UK and will probably order a replacement bearing set in the next day or so but before I spend that money I would like to think about the alternative of rather moving to a new Maxprop. Any ideas on the prices of these as I believe they are significantly cheaper than the Autoprop? We arrived into Cape Town early this morning after spending the past 1.75 years seeing all of the Indian Ocean. Great to be in one of the worlds most beautiful cities and back in the Atlantic Ocean. We depart Cape Town for Caribbean in late November. Thanks Colin Streeter SV Island Pearl II, sm #332 Royal Cape Yacht Club, Cape Town, South Africa
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A54 Anchor wash pump
Sv Garulfo
Hello, Is it still possible to get the original anchor wash pump for the A54 (Reya A66)? Are there any good alternatives that might be easier to source? Thanks, Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Curacao
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump
Sv Garulfo
Wolfgang, It can be a leak in the solenoid. It happened to us a couple of years ago. We replaced it but there is a page on the Amel Club website that explains how to dismantle it and clean it. It’s feasible and I have done it. In french, but google translate is your friend and there are pictures. Cheers Thomas
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:05, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump
webercardio <webercardio@...>
Hi Thomas, Starts by itself- I don't known Why. Perhaps dirt in the waterline, shocked by heavy weather ? Von Samsung-Tablet gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: "'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Datum: 10.10.18 23:55 (GMT+00:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump Hi Wolfgang, I was going to add information on what started that saga. I had left the port hole of the aft head open and a downpour happened while we were away. I can only guess that somehow triggered the rinse of the toilet. Lesson learnt again there. In your case, did the rinse start by itself or did it just not stopped after a user started it? The solenoid for the rinse works just fine for us, so it’s not stuck open or something. I’m not sure how a low battery voltage would keep it open as the rest position is closed, though. And, definitely not a voltage issue for us. Best Thomas
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 18:43, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump
Sv Garulfo
Hi Wolfgang, I was going to add information on what started that saga. I had left the port hole of the aft head open and a downpour happened while we were away. I can only guess that somehow triggered the rinse of the toilet. Lesson learnt again there. In your case, did the rinse start by itself or did it just not stopped after a user started it? The solenoid for the rinse works just fine for us, so it’s not stuck open or something. I’m not sure how a low battery voltage would keep it open as the rest position is closed, though. And, definitely not a voltage issue for us. Best Thomas
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 18:43, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump
webercardio <webercardio@...>
Hi Thomas, Our forward toilett did 2 Times start toilett flush and did Not stop - on the way toilett empty the watertank.the same time the freshwaterpump did Not stop, because voltage /Battery were too Low. Batteries were more than 6 years Old. Alter replacement everything is ok. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Von Samsung-Tablet gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: "'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Datum: 10.10.18 14:50 (GMT+00:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Priming Fresh water pump Hi Bill, That sounds like bad news (like a somehow broken pump) because i would expect a suction side air leak to have caused problems before we got into the empty tank situation? Is there a foot valve on the suction line side in the tank to keep it primed ? Is that what you call the in-line one way valve? I’ll investigate the hoses and try the pump on its own. Thanks Thomas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - I was wrong! [1 Attachment]
Mark, I was too, until I was told differently by a respected person at Amel. Attached is the PDF I sent him. I am expecting an answer tomorrow. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.
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Re: Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - I was wrong!
mfmcgovern@...
I'm in the series plumbed camp as well. The AC unit in the v-berth has one hose in and one hose out and Amel's own documentation shows that at least the SM2k's are plumbed in series. See the attached file.
Mark McGovern SM 440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Older Maramu mooring line position
David Wallace
Hi Miles
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Air Ops the previous owner added large eye bolts to the aft lifting plates so we use them to run a spring line aft. Then I have a line with a large attached carabiner that we hook onto the fwd lifting plate for a forward spring line. We've thought about
mounting a cleat amidships but spend so little time in marinas that it’s never risen very high on our work list.
Dave
sv Air Ops
Marabú 104
On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:09 PM, smiles bernard
smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Autoprop vs Maxprop and specs of each
Hi Colin,
As you shop I'd recommend you include in your cogimitations the AutoStream (not Autoprop), by Seahawk, Australia (available worldwide). It is similar to the MacProp but beautifully made in Stainless Steel (won't fight with your prop shaft) and much less expensive. Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Brunswick, GA USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote : We serviced our autoprop 18 months ago but with so much time in Asia, Maldives etc with little to no wind we have already exceeded the recommended 800 - 1000hrs use after which it is time to re-service the Autoprop by changing all bearings. Having done 1400 hrs since the last autoprop bearing replacement we have developed a very slight vibration noticeable at engine speeds over 1800 rpms which we saw previously and which disappeared as son as the autoprop bearings were replaced last time. I now hear that Amel moved the spec from Autoprop to Maxprop due to similar issues some years after our 2001 SM was manufactured? Question 1. Does anyone on this group know the specs of the correct sized Maxprop which would match our Yanmar 75hp on the SM? If not, what is the spec of the Maxprop which Amel fitted to later SM's? Question 2. Does anyone here have experience of both the Autoprop and the Maxprop on their SM's? Any noticable difference in performance, top speed and prop noise? We are in touch with Bruntons in UK and will probably order a replacement bearing set in the next day or so but before I spend that money I would like to think about the alternative of rather moving to a new Maxprop. Any ideas on the prices of these as I believe they are significantly cheaper than the Autoprop? We arrived into Cape Town early this morning after spending the past 1.75 years seeing all of the Indian Ocean. Great to be in one of the worlds most beautiful cities and back in the Atlantic Ocean. We depart Cape Town for Caribbean in late November. Thanks Colin Streeter SV Island Pearl II, sm #332 Royal Cape Yacht Club, Cape Town, South Africa
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Re: Priming Fresh water pump
About your remark to the system to prevent the pump running dry. There is a shop on curacao that sells a slightly different pressure switch that will prevent just that. When I bought a new pressure switch, I bought this model without knowing this. It took me a while to figure out what was happening. But it works fine now. If the system is out of pressure you need to push a lever on the switch that will start the pump, once the pressure starts building you can release the lever and next the pump will stop at the requested pressure. Only when you run the system dry or leave a tap open and the pump switched off (therefore de-pressurizing the system), you will need to re-prime the switch. Cheers, Arno
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Re: Priming Fresh water pump
I had the exact same issue. The pump is only self-priming if the pump-housing is filled with water. The impeller does run at quite close tolerances in the housing but when it's empty you will not generate enough suction power to get the water up from the tank, especially if the tank is not filled to the brim. So after I refurbished the pump, no water was picked up from the tank. I removed the outlet hose, filled the housing with water, put the hose back on and presto! When I switch off the pump and leave the system for some days, the pressure does not really drop and no air is introduced in the system, so there it's unlikely the system has any leaks. There is also a non-return valve in the suction part of the pump. If that is leaking you may see the the pump-housing drained back into the tank if you run the tank dry. Regards, Arno 54-121 Luna
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - I was wrong! [1 Attachment]
Yes, I have challenged the information that I was given today by the Amel Manager. I should have challenged him!!!! I sent him the attached PDF file a few minutes ago. I will post his reply. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:20 PM Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - I was wrong!
Ryan Meador
I can say with absolute certainty that my forward air conditioner is plumbed directly to the thru-hull (photo attached). This strongly suggests they are plumbed in series, which is what I've always assumed. I wouldn't put it past Amel to do something incredibly tricky with this, but I can't imagine how you could get that plumbing arrangement from a parallel configuration. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Older Maramu mooring line position
smiles bernard
Hi there
I’m sitting in a marina for the first time in a while and there is a little bit of a surge It’s got me wondering about the ‘proper’ Amel way to tie up this boat. Unlike any other boat I’ve ever been on before the older Maramus have no midship cleats for the spring lines So I presume I use the lifting eyes ? Or perhaps these have an alternative use? So be interested to know you tie up your springs and any why the lifting chain plates have 2 holes in. One large one small. Many thanks in advance Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] model number of CAT pump on watermaker.
The Dessalator installed High Pressure Pump for the 150/160/170 liter watermakers on all SMs and 54s that I have seen is a Nickel/Aluminum/Bronze #277 CAT Pump. Dessalator has a modification or addition to the input manifold that allows connection of a small tube to the Low Pressure Gauge on the panel. It looks like this: Regarding the electric motor for the CAT pump, I am not sure what motor is best, but I know 3 phase is NOT what you want. I think that you need to contact Dessalator at <contact@...>. You will surely need to couple the motor to the pump with some sort of steel coupling. I imagine that RPM as well as Horsepower are important, but I do not know either. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:16 AM Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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