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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

greatketch@...
 

Another perspective, with similar comments.  Basically, you can't have too many sources of information.

We have sailed the past two winters partly (or almost entirely!) in the Bahamas. and used three primary data sources for charts.  Combined with the standard cruising guide books (Important additions!)  we never felt lost.  None of the sources were "best" all the time, but combining them, thinking a bit, and adding some risk management we did fine.  

We unexpectedly ran aground only once, on a shifting sandbar in a channel that none of the charts had marked. The other times we bumped bottom we were feeling our way along and expected it based on what we saw on the charts.

We used the NV Chart paper chart books for planning, and cross checking the electronic data. We were very happy with them.  Not detailed in all the out of the way places, but excellent overall coverage. Relatively inexpensive, and easy to get a full set of paper coverage for the islands.  I am always happier with paper charts in hand.

The main chart plotter had the standard Navionics chip.  We found them no worse (and no better) then they are anywhere else. Sometimes with obvious errors that rudimentary quality control on the data should have found. We would definitely recommend NOT using the "Sonar Depths" crowd-sourced soundings for navigation.

We also used iSailor on the iPad. As a navigation tool, I dislike the iPad intensely, but as a separate source of information iSailor was great.  iSailor uses Transas chart data, on a subscription basis.  It was consistently the most reliable and detailed, although not always perfect.  Transas' primary customers are commercial ships, and in the past I have read that their coverage is meager in shallow or remote areas where shipping doesn't go.  We did not find that to be at all true--at least in the Bahamas and the USA east coast.

Enjoy the islands!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Mike Ondra
 

Toe Pulley seekers,

See below additional information from Bernard. Seems like he may be the best source available.

His email is ba AT ancelle DOT net.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Bernard Ancelle < >

Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:08 AM

To: Mike Ondra <mdondra@...>

Subject: Re: Amel pulley

 

Hi Mike

Thanks for your request.

I am preparing to supply such devices - pulley + 3 screws FHc M6*25 in inox 316L -.

I am currently seeing with my suppliers (plastics, screws and tools).

And I think the 1rst devices would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks.

Their price will be 60 Euro without taxes per device and the postal fee in supplement.

These parts will be availabe for the whole Amel owners. You can dispatch this information.

Best regards.

Bernard Ancelle

PS : To order please send me your right address. When I will know the delivery date I will send you either the order confirmation and my bank acount number for the money transfer.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

 

 

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.

 

He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

 

Bernard says :

The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

 

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

 

i have ordered two pulleys today.

 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

karkauai
 

Thanks J-L and Alan.  I’m ordering, too.

Kent
S/V Kristy

On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Alan! 
Our prototype didn't work out, so we will order from Bernard!

Kelly + Ryan
SM233 Iteration
Boston


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 21:10 James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  


Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347
On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

Kelly Ran
 

Thanks Alan! 
Our prototype didn't work out, so we will order from Bernard!

Kelly + Ryan
SM233 Iteration
Boston


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 21:10 James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  


Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347
On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

James Cromie
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  

Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347

On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas.

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

FWIW… we use Navionics on iPad Pro along with Ovitalmap.

Bit of a chore initially as you need to download “hi-res” Google Earth charts for the places you wish to visit.  Once loaded, they remain in memory.  No internet needed.

Ovital map is very precise and one determines the water depth by the map shades/color.  VERY useful in French Polynesia and again in Tonga.  Of course our radar and Sonar help too.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Tonga.



On 17 Oct 2018, at 01:55, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  


I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?


Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  


I appreciate your input as always!


James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi Mark,
Thank you for providing great perspective. This is very valuable for us who have yet to venture there. You have "been there and done that" while documenting and sharing everything thoroughly and entertainingly . We enjoy reading your web page keep up the good work.  

Regards,
Chuck & Kim
Joy SM2K 388

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:45 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

James,

 

I think you might be over thinking this a little bit. You will find Navionics charts perfectly ample to move up and down the islands. However, when entering shallow areas use the Explorer Charts and the waypoints on their magenta line. Put this course unto your plotter. Do this and you will not have any issues.

 

Keep in mind the Bahamian waters are very clear. You will quickly learn to read the water color. The bottom is almost always sand and the tide is about 3 feet. If entering a shallow harbor, do it at low tide, stay in the darker color water and go slowly.

 

Perhaps the most hazardous issue when going up and down the island chain is a phenomenon known as rage. This is when the water flow is against the wind in certain cuts between islands. You should become familiar with this and understand how the water flows and ebbs as the tide changes. Often times the current flow between islands (in narrow cuts) can exceed you boat’s ability to make headway. Timing island passages with the best tidal flow is a must do.

 

Another concern in the Bahamas is to have a safe anchorage when the winds clock westerly. There are tons of nice spots when the wind is from the east but during a front these can turn nasty. The few safe spots in a westerly wind will quickly fill up. The Explorer guides can help you better plan for all conditions. This is not much of an issue in the Abacos but in the Exumas you can get caught. When in the Exumas and bad weather is heading in, the best places to be are Elizabeth Harbour (George Town) on Exuma Island, Cambridge Cay (aka as Little Bells) and Waderick Wells Cay. Both Cambridge and Waderick are inside the Exuma land and Sea Park. We once were stuck at Cambridge Cay for 12 days. It was an awesome place to be stuck. There is always room in Elizabeth Harbour, it is a huge bay and there are at least 100-200 boats at any given time during the season.

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Thanks for the feedback. 

Are the explorer cmap digital charts worthwhile?  This would mean using a Cmap chart reader software on a PC, as my BG Zeus chart plotter isn’t compatible with CMAP format.  What experience do any of you have with PC based chart readers for this format?

 

James


On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 

I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 

 

 

Porter

IBIS 

54-152

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Alan Leslie
 

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.

He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

James Cromie
 

Thanks guys.  This is extremely helpful as I plan for our first trip to the Bahamas.  

Best,
James

On Oct 16, 2018, at 3:42 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

 

I think you might be over thinking this a little bit. You will find Navionics charts perfectly ample to move up and down the islands. However, when entering shallow areas use the Explorer Charts and the waypoints on their magenta line. Put this course unto your plotter. Do this and you will not have any issues.

 

Keep in mind the Bahamian waters are very clear. You will quickly learn to read the water color. The bottom is almost always sand and the tide is about 3 feet. If entering a shallow harbor, do it at low tide, stay in the darker color water and go slowly. 

 

Perhaps the most hazardous issue when going up and down the island chain is a phenomenon known as rage. This is when the water flow is against the wind in certain cuts between islands. You should become familiar with this and understand how the water flows and ebbs as the tide changes. Often times the current flow between islands (in narrow cuts) can exceed you boat’s ability to make headway. Timing island passages with the best tidal flow is a must do. 

 

Another concern in the Bahamas is to have a safe anchorage when the winds clock westerly. There are tons of nice spots when the wind is from the east but during a front these can turn nasty. The few safe spots in a westerly wind will quickly fill up. The Explorer guides can help you better plan for all conditions. This is not much of an issue in the Abacos but in the Exumas you can get caught. When in the Exumas and bad weather is heading in, the best places to be are Elizabeth Harbour (George Town) on Exuma Island, Cambridge Cay (aka as Little Bells) and Waderick Wells Cay. Both Cambridge and Waderick are inside the Exuma land and Sea Park. We once were stuck at Cambridge Cay for 12 days. It was an awesome place to be stuck. There is always room in Elizabeth Harbour, it is a huge bay and there are at least 100-200 boats at any given time during the season. 

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@...[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

  

Thanks for the feedback. 

Are the explorer cmap digital charts worthwhile?  This would mean using a Cmap chart reader software on a PC, as my BG Zeus chart plotter isn’t compatible with CMAP format.  What experience do any of you have with PC based chart readers for this format?

 

James


On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 

I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 

 

 

Porter

IBIS 

54-152

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@...[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

I think you might be over thinking this a little bit. You will find Navionics charts perfectly ample to move up and down the islands. However, when entering shallow areas use the Explorer Charts and the waypoints on their magenta line. Put this course unto your plotter. Do this and you will not have any issues.

 

Keep in mind the Bahamian waters are very clear. You will quickly learn to read the water color. The bottom is almost always sand and the tide is about 3 feet. If entering a shallow harbor, do it at low tide, stay in the darker color water and go slowly.

 

Perhaps the most hazardous issue when going up and down the island chain is a phenomenon known as rage. This is when the water flow is against the wind in certain cuts between islands. You should become familiar with this and understand how the water flows and ebbs as the tide changes. Often times the current flow between islands (in narrow cuts) can exceed you boat’s ability to make headway. Timing island passages with the best tidal flow is a must do.

 

Another concern in the Bahamas is to have a safe anchorage when the winds clock westerly. There are tons of nice spots when the wind is from the east but during a front these can turn nasty. The few safe spots in a westerly wind will quickly fill up. The Explorer guides can help you better plan for all conditions. This is not much of an issue in the Abacos but in the Exumas you can get caught. When in the Exumas and bad weather is heading in, the best places to be are Elizabeth Harbour (George Town) on Exuma Island, Cambridge Cay (aka as Little Bells) and Waderick Wells Cay. Both Cambridge and Waderick are inside the Exuma land and Sea Park. We once were stuck at Cambridge Cay for 12 days. It was an awesome place to be stuck. There is always room in Elizabeth Harbour, it is a huge bay and there are at least 100-200 boats at any given time during the season.

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Thanks for the feedback. 

Are the explorer cmap digital charts worthwhile?  This would mean using a Cmap chart reader software on a PC, as my BG Zeus chart plotter isn’t compatible with CMAP format.  What experience do any of you have with PC based chart readers for this format?

 

James


On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 

I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 

 

 

Porter

IBIS 

54-152

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

John Clark
 

Hi James,
    we just spent three months in the Bahamas.  We used the Explorer Charts and Navionics.  Sometimes the book was right sometimes Navionics was right.  The books were worth the money as guides for land activities and timing of passages through tricky areas.  Get the newest edition for the best info,

You will love the water quality in the Bahamas.....like a swimming pool.

John
SC Annie SM 37.


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:59 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning James,

I spent 1.5 years in the Bahamas and used the Explorer Charts, I definitely recommend them.
They are a wealth of informations on anchoring recommendations, approach, etc.

I will also add to the quality of their paper.
After Hurricane Irma, NIKIMAT was 3 months and 1 week under water. When raised I saw the charts, I rinse them, dry them, was going to keep them as memories, but another Super Maramu owners ask for them, so now they are continuing their journey.

I also used Navionics and was definitely happy with them, I found it more precise than Garmin which I also had.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 10/16/18, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 7:55 AM


 









Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not
an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you
because I would like to know your experience sailing the
Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.
 
I
have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most
reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would
like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the
Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?
Ultimately, I am trying to
determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital
charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.
 
I appreciate your input as
always!
JamesSV
SoteriaSM2K 347Portsmouth, RI







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Autoprop vs Maxprop and specs of each

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Just to close this off, a big thank you to all who commented here, and especially to Bill R. who has been direct mailing me each day with good advice since.

Our problem turned out to be the Autoprop where we had large sections of Micron 350 paint peeled off and slight gruffness in the blades movement since we did not grease them on last haul-out.

Yesterday we completed wet sanded the blades of the autoprop and also re-greased the prop sufficiently till all the old grease was expelled and just clean grease exiting. After this the blades now turn beautifully without any resistance and in sea trials today there was no trace of the previous vibrations at 2000 RPM's+.

Much appreciated and we can now enjoy the beautiful Cape Town for a month or so before continuing our circumnavigation departing here for the Caribbean in late November.

Best regards
Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II. sm#332
RCYC, Cape Town

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 1:10 PM Sailing Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Hi Danny

Nice to hear from you and thank you for these tips.

I had not thought of greasing under water but of course if one pushes the grease right through and out there would be no risk of saltwater ingress. Good thought.

Of course I need say no more good things about the brilliance of the Super Maramu's as I would be preaching to the converted on this site.

Best regards
Colin

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:57 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

great that you are going so well. There were queries on the forum a while back about when to reef, when to heave to, and when to wish you were not there. Your experience mirrors mine. The SM is a phenomenal off shore design and she looks after you in conditions where other designs are in trouble or at the least giving the crew a hard time. We did a big crossing (1200 miles, 200 a day) in boisterous conditions and all my crew including Yvonne agreed if we lived to 100 we would never get a dream run like that again. A Beneteau 50 came in after us saying, "Oh my God, it was hell out there" Horses for courses. Is your wife (sorry forget her name) doing the passages with you? As to greasing the prop. Mate of mine once said to me, grease and oil are the cheapest spare parts you will ever buy. I have greased mine in water easily (so long as you are not prone to dropping little screws). The trick is to have several spares, then you will never drop one.

Kind Regards

Danny

On 11 October 2018 at 20:44 "Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Alan

Thanks for those comments which make me wonder if this is just a prop grease issue??? Let me explain ...
Firstly I should say that this boat has never been cruised before Lauren and I set off 1.75 years ago. Up until before I owned it the previous owner had done just 600 hrs on the engine and half that on the generator in 10 years of ownership, plus employed an Amel technician bi-weekly for 10 years to care for her. Based on this I doubt that I could have any U Drive issues or major prop wear as we have been very careful owners too.

I had originally intended to do my normal 2 year haul-out in Cape Town but we became pinned down by bad weather in Durban unable to get any 33hr+ weather windows to sail down to East London on this notoriously dangerous coastline. Because of this, and with time for the Cape Town haul-out dwindling, I haul out in Durban instead, and did the normal prop wearing bearing replacement, bottom paint, plus lifted the waterline stripe.

On turning the prop blades out the water they didn't seem as smooth as normal, and on top of this, in my rush to get back into the water when a possible good weather window was forming, I did not re-grease the prop. That could possibly be the source of my issues, and rather foolish as I have always been so painstakingly careful to follow each and every step to the letter!! In fact I have never greased this prop as I simply sent it back to Bruntons last time to do the bearing change and grease in their factory.

In order to make a run directly for Cape Town (900nm approx) I sailed out of Durban early into the end of the previous SW front and therefore had to motor sail for a day before we picked up good wind and current. Over the next 3 days we shot down the coast breaking all our past records with 3 consecutive 200nm days with our best ever 24hrs clocking up 225nm!! Great sailing indeed and we ran as hard as we could direct for Cape Town right out at sea with pole out and all sails up until rounding Cape Agulus (most southern tip of Africa) where we had to turn NW into un-predicted 30kts head wind and 4+ knot adverse current making for hard motoring to maintain just 3 kts forward motion. When I say hard, that means max 2000 RPM on the Yanmar 75 (very seldom would I ever run the motor above this).

It was at this time that I noticed more prop noise and that there was a slight resultant vibration on the top of the UDrive unit only, not on the main engine side at all. We immediately reduced to usual 1400 - 1600 max revs and crawled into Cape Town to ensure no damage could be done. At those revs there was absolutely no vibration visable at all.

I will drop you a personal email sometime regarding the Indian Ocean crossing as it has been awesome and I hghly recommend it, but course you can also follow our videos on "Sailing Island Pearl"  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmvAE1BtOM7J8orw237BDgQ?view_as=subscriber , but in summary from far east Indonesia through Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Maldives, Chagos, Rodrigues, Mauritius, Runion, Madagascar and now South Africa we have spent 1.75 years in the Indian Ocean and absolutely loved every minute of it. We have faced 50+ knots, 6m+ seas and this boat has been unbelievable as it never ever felt unsafe or out of control to either myself or any crew on board. These are outstanding boats indeed and I learn to respect Captain Amel more and more every day that I sail and live aboard the Amel Super Maramu.

Best regards
Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332.
Royal Cape Yacht Club, Cape Town

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:17 PM divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,


i don't know where that information came from about later SMs having Maxprops.
Elyse is 2004 and we have the Autoprop.
i changed the bearings 4 years ago, even though there were no issues. It wasn't a difficult job with the right tools.
 We've since put 1300 hours on the engine and no problems with the Autoprop, no strange vibrations.
I grease it every time we are out of the water for whatever reason.

We'll do the bearings again next haul for C-drive, antifoul etc.

How was your Indian Ocean crossing ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea

 

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the feedback. 
Are the explorer cmap digital charts worthwhile?  This would mean using a Cmap chart reader software on a PC, as my BG Zeus chart plotter isn’t compatible with CMAP format.  What experience do any of you have with PC based chart readers for this format?

James


On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 

I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 


Porter
IBIS 
54-152



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Porter McRoberts
 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 
I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 


Porter
IBIS 
54-152



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning James,

I spent 1.5 years in the Bahamas and used the Explorer Charts, I definitely recommend them.
They are a wealth of informations on anchoring recommendations, approach, etc.

I will also add to the quality of their paper.
After Hurricane Irma, NIKIMAT was 3 months and 1 week under water. When raised I saw the charts, I rinse them, dry them, was going to keep them as memories, but another Super Maramu owners ask for them, so now they are continuing their journey.

I also used Navionics and was definitely happy with them, I found it more precise than Garmin which I also had.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 10/16/18, jamescromie@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 7:55 AM


 









Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not
an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you
because I would like to know your experience sailing the
Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.
 
I
have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most
reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would
like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the
Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?
Ultimately, I am trying to
determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital
charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.
 
I appreciate your input as
always!
JamesSV
SoteriaSM2K 347Portsmouth, RI


Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

James Cromie
 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  


I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?


Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  


I appreciate your input as always!


James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

greatketch@...
 

My boat has "Sailor" N420 power supplies for the VHF, the HYDRA, and the PERMANENT, each rated for 8 amps.  Negative is common with the 24 Volt supply.

I also have a different arrangement for the SSB power supply, it LOOKS factory, a nice mount on a removable wood panel like other Amel installs... but maybe not.  

It has a pair of ASTRON 2412-20 units connected to the double pole breaker, each is rated for 20 Amps and the output is paralleled. They are NOT isolated negative units.  They can't be, they have only three connections...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

Alan,

I am traveling today. I think that each of the Sailor converters are either 6 or 8 amps.

In the original Amel SM2k installation, the 3 Sailor 24-12VDC Converters powered:
VHF - Only VHF radio
HYDRA - Only B&G instruments
PERMANENT - AM/FM Radio, 12VDC outlet at Nav table, Cig Lighter and Chain Counter. This converter stays ON even when main battery switches are OFF, and has a toggle switch to turn it OFF.

Amel installed an optional ICOM 24 to 12VDC Converter for a SSB Radio. This was installed with a double-pole breaker which disconnected 24VDC positive and negative Poles.

If you have any other arrangement, maybe it isn't original.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 06:19 bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

I think that is also the reason for the double pole breaker for the SSB converter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:42 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

 

You are right. The only time  I have added a DC-DC convertor was for the SSB. So, that’s probably why I remember this being the case. Since the other convertors are running equipment not connected to the bonding, it makes sense they wouldn’t have to be isolated.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

If I am not mistaken the Dc to Dc converter on the SSB has to have an isolated ground as

it indirectly connected to the bonding, via the underwater SSB grounding plates.

I can see no reason that you would need isolated converters as it is straight Dc to DC without any bonding involved.

 

Fair Winds,

Eric


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Alan,

 

If I remember correctly, the DC-DC convertors need to be isolated convertors. Regarding the amps, this is difficult to answer without knowing what you plan to run with the convertors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

 

You are right. The only time  I have added a DC-DC convertor was for the SSB. So, that’s probably why I remember this being the case. Since the other convertors are running equipment not connected to the bonding, it makes sense they wouldn’t have to be isolated.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

If I am not mistaken the Dc to Dc converter on the SSB has to have an isolated ground as

it indirectly connected to the bonding, via the underwater SSB grounding plates.

I can see no reason that you would need isolated converters as it is straight Dc to DC without any bonding involved.

 

Fair Winds,

Eric


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Alan,

 

If I remember correctly, the DC-DC convertors need to be isolated convertors. Regarding the amps, this is difficult to answer without knowing what you plan to run with the convertors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale

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