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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Porter McRoberts
 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 
I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 


Porter
IBIS 
54-152



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On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning James,

I spent 1.5 years in the Bahamas and used the Explorer Charts, I definitely recommend them.
They are a wealth of informations on anchoring recommendations, approach, etc.

I will also add to the quality of their paper.
After Hurricane Irma, NIKIMAT was 3 months and 1 week under water. When raised I saw the charts, I rinse them, dry them, was going to keep them as memories, but another Super Maramu owners ask for them, so now they are continuing their journey.

I also used Navionics and was definitely happy with them, I found it more precise than Garmin which I also had.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 10/16/18, jamescromie@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 7:55 AM


 









Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not
an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you
because I would like to know your experience sailing the
Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.
 
I
have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most
reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would
like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the
Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?
Ultimately, I am trying to
determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital
charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.
 
I appreciate your input as
always!
JamesSV
SoteriaSM2K 347Portsmouth, RI


Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

jamescromie@...
 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  


I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?


Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  


I appreciate your input as always!


James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

greatketch@...
 

My boat has "Sailor" N420 power supplies for the VHF, the HYDRA, and the PERMANENT, each rated for 8 amps.  Negative is common with the 24 Volt supply.

I also have a different arrangement for the SSB power supply, it LOOKS factory, a nice mount on a removable wood panel like other Amel installs... but maybe not.  

It has a pair of ASTRON 2412-20 units connected to the double pole breaker, each is rated for 20 Amps and the output is paralleled. They are NOT isolated negative units.  They can't be, they have only three connections...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

Alan,

I am traveling today. I think that each of the Sailor converters are either 6 or 8 amps.

In the original Amel SM2k installation, the 3 Sailor 24-12VDC Converters powered:
VHF - Only VHF radio
HYDRA - Only B&G instruments
PERMANENT - AM/FM Radio, 12VDC outlet at Nav table, Cig Lighter and Chain Counter. This converter stays ON even when main battery switches are OFF, and has a toggle switch to turn it OFF.

Amel installed an optional ICOM 24 to 12VDC Converter for a SSB Radio. This was installed with a double-pole breaker which disconnected 24VDC positive and negative Poles.

If you have any other arrangement, maybe it isn't original.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 06:19 bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

I think that is also the reason for the double pole breaker for the SSB converter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:42 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

 

You are right. The only time  I have added a DC-DC convertor was for the SSB. So, that’s probably why I remember this being the case. Since the other convertors are running equipment not connected to the bonding, it makes sense they wouldn’t have to be isolated.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

If I am not mistaken the Dc to Dc converter on the SSB has to have an isolated ground as

it indirectly connected to the bonding, via the underwater SSB grounding plates.

I can see no reason that you would need isolated converters as it is straight Dc to DC without any bonding involved.

 

Fair Winds,

Eric


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Alan,

 

If I remember correctly, the DC-DC convertors need to be isolated convertors. Regarding the amps, this is difficult to answer without knowing what you plan to run with the convertors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

 

You are right. The only time  I have added a DC-DC convertor was for the SSB. So, that’s probably why I remember this being the case. Since the other convertors are running equipment not connected to the bonding, it makes sense they wouldn’t have to be isolated.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

If I am not mistaken the Dc to Dc converter on the SSB has to have an isolated ground as

it indirectly connected to the bonding, via the underwater SSB grounding plates.

I can see no reason that you would need isolated converters as it is straight Dc to DC without any bonding involved.

 

Fair Winds,

Eric


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Alan,

 

If I remember correctly, the DC-DC convertors need to be isolated convertors. Regarding the amps, this is difficult to answer without knowing what you plan to run with the convertors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: TMD22 Turbo to Injector Pump tube

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks Mark. We are operating under that assumption and replacing the tube. Will share outcomes in a couple weeks after the parts arrive and are installed.

Mike

ALETES SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:37 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: TMD22 Turbo to Injector Pump tube

 

 

Mike,

 

I'm somewhat guessing here since the turbocharged gasoline engines that I am most familiar with DO NOT have "smoke limiters".  However, I think that the damaged smoke limiter tube could be the cause of your inability to reach maximum RPM.  The smoke limiter is likely limiting the amount of fuel being injected at low boost pressure.  That is how you reduce smoke on a relatively low compression turbocharged diesel engine.  As you load up the engine and boost pressure rises, that limitation should be removed in order to achieve maximum power.  The tube that you say is damaged is likely the boost pressure "signal" that is used by the smoke limiter to limit fuel injection.  If the tube is not sending the boost signal to the smoke limiter, it would continue to limit fuel delivery even as boost pressure rises.  If fuel delivery is limited, so is power output and maximum RPM.  I would replace the tube.  Assuming the rest of the smoke limiter is working, I think it just might solve your problem.  Let us know either way!



Mark McGovern

SM 440 Cara

Deale, MD USA


Re: TMD22 Turbo to Injector Pump tube

mfmcgovern@...
 

Mike,

I'm somewhat guessing here since the turbocharged gasoline engines that I am most familiar with DO NOT have "smoke limiters".  However, I think that the damaged smoke limiter tube could be the cause of your inability to reach maximum RPM.  The smoke limiter is likely limiting the amount of fuel being injected at low boost pressure.  That is how you reduce smoke on a relatively low compression turbocharged diesel engine.  As you load up the engine and boost pressure rises, that limitation should be removed in order to achieve maximum power.  The tube that you say is damaged is likely the boost pressure "signal" that is used by the smoke limiter to limit fuel injection.  If the tube is not sending the boost signal to the smoke limiter, it would continue to limit fuel delivery even as boost pressure rises.  If fuel delivery is limited, so is power output and maximum RPM.  I would replace the tube.  Assuming the rest of the smoke limiter is working, I think it just might solve your problem.  Let us know either way!

Mark McGovern
SM 440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


TMD22 Turbo to Injector Pump tube

Mike Ondra
 

15OCT18 Further research has revealed that the tube leading from the turbo to the fuel injector pump is known as the “turbocharger-fuel injection pump smoke limiter”, also known as a “boost compensator”.  See schematic below. It would seem that pressures in the turbo through this tube affect the output of the injector pump. “smoke limiter” may imply that this compensates at low RPM reduces fuel throughput and smoke. Might improper function of this mechanism impact top end RPM?

8OCT18 After removing the turbo in the process of diagnosing a low RPM (2400 max with clean bottom and prop) issue and cleaning it up, it seems to be OK. However there is a damaged tube that leads from the top of the Injector Pump to a fitting near the bottom of the turbo. In the diagram below it starts with part 61 at the Injector Pump and proceeds to the turbo directly in our installation (we don't have the intervening parts 60-65, just part 28) The full kit as shown is Part 57. On ours the entire connection is with a small (maybe 1/8") black flexible plastic(?) tube. Does anyone know the functionality of this connection? Might it contribute to low RPM? Seems odd to be feeding diesel fuel to the turbo.

 

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD (soon to be in St. Augustine for the winter)

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

Alan,

I am traveling today. I think that each of the Sailor converters are either 6 or 8 amps.

In the original Amel SM2k installation, the 3 Sailor 24-12VDC Converters powered:
VHF - Only VHF radio
HYDRA - Only B&G instruments
PERMANENT - AM/FM Radio, 12VDC outlet at Nav table, Cig Lighter and Chain Counter. This converter stays ON even when main battery switches are OFF, and has a toggle switch to turn it OFF.

Amel installed an optional ICOM 24 to 12VDC Converter for a SSB Radio. This was installed with a double-pole breaker which disconnected 24VDC positive and negative Poles.

If you have any other arrangement, maybe it isn't original.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 06:19 bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Alan,

Each of the two Sailor convertors provides 8 amps at 13.2 volts.

Regards,

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM #419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands

On Oct 15, 2018, at 1:19 PM, bazgrayson@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

eric <kimberlite@...>
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

Mark Erdos
 

Alan,

 

If I remember correctly, the DC-DC convertors need to be isolated convertors. Regarding the amps, this is difficult to answer without knowing what you plan to run with the convertors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailorman DC-DC converters

 

 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Sailorman DC-DC converters

Alan Grayson
 

Hi all, What is the amperage requirements for the 2 sailor convertors, I need new ones. I'm assuming 20 amps will be plenty and that I can get victron or master volt ones without any problem.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Santorin cockpit light wiring

Craig Briggs
 

Does anyone know where the wires from the Santorin cockpit light are terminated? The + side is switched with the main salon breaker, but the wire runs to a remote terminal. I've got a fault on the - side and am guessing it may be connected at the nav station terminals, with the wires running in the overhead over to the nav station. If anyone has traced these wires down I'd appreciated knowing where they are. I suspect the SM may be wired similarly, but don't really know.
Cheers,
Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris - Brunswick GA USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance question in case of total loss

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good evening Jean Pierre,

I was actually going to switch to Y Insurance.
I think their conditions were straight forward and reasonable.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 10/14/18, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance question in case of total loss
To: "'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2018, 5:50 PM


 









Hello Alexandre,
As you know, I’ve left de
Lassée (Helvetia) because of their poor service.  Good at
collecting their fees but “bar stewards” at paying out
on claims.
I now use Y Yacht Insurance in UK
for what its worth.  They have a plain language policy
conditions and have an excellent reputation for settling
claims quickly.
Best of luck,
Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera, SM 007Tonga
On 14 Oct 2018, at 03:27,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Dear Amel owners, 

On my insurance policy (Helvetia
subscribed through insurance DeLassee) it says (article
8.4.4) that my insurance is automatically canceled in case
of total loss - BUT (last line of that paragraph) that the
insurance only stops when then settlement has been
paid.  

Which is why the insurance still
ask me to pay the premium for this year and likely the next
one (since it is 25% less than the agreed value I am
contesting it).  

Does your insurance says the same
thing?

Thanks in advance,
sincerely, Alexandre<scan.jpg>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance question in case of total loss [1 Attachment]

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alexandre,

As you know, I’ve left de Lassée (Helvetia) because of their poor service.  Good at collecting their fees but “bar stewards” at paying out on claims.

I now use Y Yacht Insurance in UK for what its worth.  They have a plain language policy conditions and have an excellent reputation for settling claims quickly.

Best of luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Tonga

On 14 Oct 2018, at 03:27, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dear Amel owners, 

On my insurance policy (Helvetia subscribed through insurance DeLassee) it says (article 8.4.4) that my insurance is automatically canceled in case of total loss - BUT (last line of that paragraph) that the insurance only stops when then settlement has been paid.  

Which is why the insurance still ask me to pay the premium for this year and likely the next one (since it is 25% less than the agreed value I am contesting it).  

Does your insurance says the same thing?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre



Re: Standing rigging wire size on Santorin

s90.simon@...
 

Yes, I'm very well aware that there are sub-standard parts and material coming in from china and I have no intention to buy any of this. But often marine stores will charge it's customers a lot more for the exact same product just because it's "marine". 

In my estimation I took prices from marine-stores, swages and turnbuckles are from Seldén (same brand that for example Hallberg-Rassy and Najad uses).

Best regards
Simon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Standing rigging wire size on Santorin

 

Simon,

Standing rigging is ALL ABOUT Quality=Safety. Whatever your decision, be aware that there are China-made questionable wire and parts on the market being resold by EU and American companies. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 11:24 AM s90.simon@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello

I did the following estimation:

Mast height: 16m
Beam at mast: 4m
Length: 14m
The 8mm shrouds are attached 1/3 up on the mast = 5,4m => wire length: 5,8m
2 of the 10mm shrouds are attached 2/3 up on the mast = 10,7m => wire length: 10,9m
Remaining 10mm shrouds are attached at the top = 16m => wire length: 16,2m
Fore and backstay are attached at the top = 16m => wire length: 17,5m

Total 8mm: 23,2m
Total 10mm: 89,2m
8mm swages: 8 pcs
10mm swages: 12 pcs
5/8" turnbuckles: 4 pcs
3/4" turnbuckles: 6 pcs

This should be possible to buy for around 3500EUR (or around 2500EUR without new turnbuckles), perhaps less since I probably can get a good deal on the wire.

Is there any reason to buy what to me seems to be overpriced wire from a "marine" store? I can get a good price if buying from a non-marine store, specification is 1x19 wire, AISI 316, EN 1.4401. Any reason not to buy this one? Does anyone know what steel for example ACMO uses in the wire they supply?

I also sent mail to ACMO as suggested to get a quote.

Best regards
Simon