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Re: Ballooner Not Locking

greatketch@...
 

Ian,

I have found one issue you might have a look at.  I am sure there are others that people with more Amel time than I have come across.

I haven't noticed it being sensitive to the exact height on the foil, although I haven't tested it much in that regard.

If latch actually works with all the parts in hand, it might be an alignment issue.  Keep the lashing line from the head of the genoa very short, and be sure that the head swivel is rotating smoothly.  You want to be sure that the latch stays directly over the proper slot in the foil. If it rotates off center a bit it doesn't latch.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA




---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote :

The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into
the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various
rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing
dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should
be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook
nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it
touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks
with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks
and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down
after the problem first appeared.

Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor

John Clark
 

Hi Kent,
    the gearboxes on Annie were in poor condition when I bought the boat.  i replaced them in their entirety.  If the top plate on the box is damaged maybe the simplest way forward is to just buy a new gearbox.  I had Bonfig's and they were about $200 USD in the US.  I realize yours are different but i cannot imagine that the cost would vary too much.

As far as the seals are concerned I think that most mechanical parts found in an assembly like these gear boxes is an off the shelf part.  If you have the casing and shaft diameter and the depth you can most likely replace the seal with another brand.  

I rooted around on the forum last year when rebuilding the emergency main furling gearbox.  It took a bit but in the forum there were parts lists with easily sourced  contemporary replacements.....for example the thrust bearing is also the front wheel bearing for an Acura NSX, the seals were from a Nissan..... you get the idea.   Do a deepo dive oon the foorum and see if you can find someone else who did the same job.

       Regards,  John
SV Annie
SM 37
Hartman Bay Grenada
                             

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:23 AM karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Amelians,
I am doing maintenance on my outhaul gear box, and need new lip seals. The gears still look great and the grease looks new without any evidence of water intrusion.

The double lip ones on the main shaft are unusual in that there is a steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals. It is ferrous and rusty. They are ID 35mm OD 45mm Depth 5mm, and marked:
ERIKS -F 2 BAF SL DRW 30 45 5

After trying other seal manufacturers, Leroy Somers USA, and Amel, I still haven’t found anyplace that can/will sell them to me. Maud says she can’t help.

I’m waiting to hear back from ERIKS but have little hope that they will be able to source them.

First question: what is the steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals for? Would a seal without the plate work just as well?

Second: has anyone found a source for these seals?

Third: The upper plate on the gearbox was broken getting it off of the boom. Has anyone had one of these made at a machine shop? Any issues?

As usual, thank you for your help and expertise.

Happy Sailing
Kent
SM 243
KRISTY
St Michaels MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor

Mike Ondra
 

Try Motion Industries. they have been a good source of seals for me. SKF manufacturers quite a few varieties.
Mike

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid

On Oct 18, 2018 9:22 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,
I am doing maintenance on my outhaul gear box, and need new lip seals. The gears still look great and the grease looks new without any evidence of water intrusion.

The double lip ones on the main shaft are unusual in that there is a steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals. It is ferrous and rusty. They are ID 35mm OD 45mm Depth 5mm, and marked:
ERIKS -F 2 BAF SL DRW 30 45 5

After trying other seal manufacturers, Leroy Somers USA, and Amel, I still haven’t found anyplace that can/will sell them to me. Maud says she can’t help.

I’m waiting to hear back from ERIKS but have little hope that they will be able to source them.

First question: what is the steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals for? Would a seal without the plate work just as well?

Second: has anyone found a source for these seals?

Third: The upper plate on the gearbox was broken getting it off of the boom. Has anyone had one of these made at a machine shop? Any issues?

As usual, thank you for your help and expertise.

Happy Sailing
Kent
SM 243
KRISTY
St Michaels MD USA


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Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor

karkauai
 

Hi Amelians,
I am doing maintenance on my outhaul gear box, and need new lip seals. The gears still look great and the grease looks new without any evidence of water intrusion.

The double lip ones on the main shaft are unusual in that there is a steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals. It is ferrous and rusty. They are ID 35mm OD 45mm Depth 5mm, and marked:
ERIKS -F 2 BAF SL DRW 30 45 5

After trying other seal manufacturers, Leroy Somers USA, and Amel, I still haven’t found anyplace that can/will sell them to me. Maud says she can’t help.

I’m waiting to hear back from ERIKS but have little hope that they will be able to source them.

First question: what is the steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals for? Would a seal without the plate work just as well?

Second: has anyone found a source for these seals?

Third: The upper plate on the gearbox was broken getting it off of the boom. Has anyone had one of these made at a machine shop? Any issues?

As usual, thank you for your help and expertise.

Happy Sailing
Kent
SM 243
KRISTY
St Michaels MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner Not Locking

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ian,

Happened to me once and it was because the ballooner and spinnaker lines were twisted… so as I raised the ballooner it did not lock into the mousetrap.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 10/18/18, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner Not Locking
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 18, 2018, 1:53 AM


 









The last few times I have used my ballooner it has
failed to lock into

the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried
various

rotational positions other than the recommended one of the
slot facing

dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the
swivel should

be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as
the hook

nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches
before it

touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and
aluminium hooks

with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the
swivel looks

and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had
the genoa down

after the problem first appeared.



Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.



Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner Not Locking

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. The main swivel has a tongue going into the slot to locate it. Over time it wears through and no longer locates. I think you will find  this is your trouble. It is on a small plate held in place by two machine screws. Take this plate off and you will likely find the tongue is gone. Just get a new one made and welded on to the plate
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean pearl

On 18/10/2018 19:53, "Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into
the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various
rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing
dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should
be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook
nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it
touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks
with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks
and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down
after the problem first appeared.

Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)



Ballooner Not Locking

Ian Shepherd
 

The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down after the problem first appeared.

Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

James Cromie
 

Thanks Bill and Danny for the insight!  
Best,
James

On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I have no experience in the Bahamas but in the Pacific islands particularly Fiji where all charts are very unreliable we find google earth on the smart phone an invaluable  back up.  By adding a gps link to the phone you get a real time picture of where you are and can see the boat in relation to reefs. I sail around difficult areas with the phone beside the helm. Invaluable. The fact the fIji has very good cell phone coverage is a big help. Like all navigation, use all available sources.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 18 October 2018 at 03:28 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Another perspective, with similar comments.  Basically, you can't have too many sources of information.


We have sailed the past two winters partly (or almost entirely!) in the Bahamas. and used three primary data sources for charts.  Combined with the standard cruising guide books (Important additions!)  we never felt lost.  None of the sources were "best" all the time, but combining them, thinking a bit, and adding some risk management we did fine.  

We unexpectedly ran aground only once, on a shifting sandbar in a channel that none of the charts had marked. The other times we bumped bottom we were feeling our way along and expected it based on what we saw on the charts.

We used the NV Chart paper chart books for planning, and cross checking the electronic data. We were very happy with them.  Not detailed in all the out of the way places, but excellent overall coverage. Relatively inexpensive, and easy to get a full set of paper coverage for the islands.  I am always happier with paper charts in hand.

The main chart plotter had the standard Navionics chip.  We found them no worse (and no better) then they are anywhere else. Sometimes with obvious errors that rudimentary quality control on the data should have found. We would definitely recommend NOT using the "Sonar Depths" crowd-sourced soundings for navigation.

We also used iSailor on the iPad. As a navigation tool, I dislike the iPad intensely, but as a separate source of information iSailor was great.  iSailor uses Transas chart data, on a subscription basis.  It was consistently the most reliable and detailed, although not always perfect.  Transas' primary customers are commercial ships, and in the past I have read that their coverage is meager in shallow or remote areas where shipping doesn't go.  We did not find that to be at all true--at least in the Bahamas and the USA east coast.

Enjoy the islands!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

 


 


 




Re: Leaking domestic water supply couplings

greatketch@...
 

Scott,

These fitting are sealed by the o-rings on the outer wall of the tubing, not the threads.  Teflon tape and pipe sealant will not help. If you have replaced the o-rings, the problem is most likely the tubing ends.

I would try trimming back the ends of the tubing. Take about 3/4 inch off so you use a new sealing surface.  It is important to get a nice smooth, square cut so use something very sharp.  Be sure the outside surface of the tubing ends are clean, free of dirt, and without scratches and nicks.

When you assemble it, use a very small amount of a food grade silicone grease to lubricate the tube end so the o-ring sits properly. I use Molykote 111, but there are others suitable as well. The grease is there so the o-ring does not roll, or get pinched, not as a sealant so just a tiny smear is all that is needed.

If it STILL leaks, then new fittings are probably needed.  Especially if they have been over tightened they can crack and not seal properly.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Leaking domestic water supply couplings

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Our domestic water supply couplings are leaking. In the attached photo they are slowly dripping right at the T junction. Nothing big, maybe a drop every 10 seconds from both the red and the blue lines.


We've tried to replace the o-rings and some seem to perform better than others, but the leak still seems to persist. Has anyone experienced something similar and successfully solved it?


Lots of teflon tape? Some form of pipe glue?


-Scott

A54 #69 Tengah


Gennaker

Duane Siegfri
 

Wanderer came with the Amel Gennaker.  We are just now thinking of using it on our trip down the east coast.  

Starting Monday it looks like a downwind run, but with some expected wind speeds above the 15kts true Amel specifies for the Ballooner.


The Amel Users Guide does not say anything about running the sheet through the jib car, or to a turning block; only that it should go to the 58ST electric winches.


I'm assuming it has to go to a turning block, anyone know if it should go thru the jib car block?


It's interesting to note that Wanderer also has a Gennaker in a sock, which makes me wonder if the Amel Gennaker is worn out.  I have put it up but haven't rolled it out yet.  If it isn't in good shape I'll put the other one up.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

I have no experience in the Bahamas but in the Pacific islands particularly Fiji where all charts are very unreliable we find google earth on the smart phone an invaluable  back up.  By adding a gps link to the phone you get a real time picture of where you are and can see the boat in relation to reefs. I sail around difficult areas with the phone beside the helm. Invaluable. The fact the fIji has very good cell phone coverage is a big help. Like all navigation, use all available sources.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 18 October 2018 at 03:28 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Another perspective, with similar comments.  Basically, you can't have too many sources of information.


We have sailed the past two winters partly (or almost entirely!) in the Bahamas. and used three primary data sources for charts.  Combined with the standard cruising guide books (Important additions!)  we never felt lost.  None of the sources were "best" all the time, but combining them, thinking a bit, and adding some risk management we did fine.  

We unexpectedly ran aground only once, on a shifting sandbar in a channel that none of the charts had marked. The other times we bumped bottom we were feeling our way along and expected it based on what we saw on the charts.

We used the NV Chart paper chart books for planning, and cross checking the electronic data. We were very happy with them.  Not detailed in all the out of the way places, but excellent overall coverage. Relatively inexpensive, and easy to get a full set of paper coverage for the islands.  I am always happier with paper charts in hand.

The main chart plotter had the standard Navionics chip.  We found them no worse (and no better) then they are anywhere else. Sometimes with obvious errors that rudimentary quality control on the data should have found. We would definitely recommend NOT using the "Sonar Depths" crowd-sourced soundings for navigation.

We also used iSailor on the iPad. As a navigation tool, I dislike the iPad intensely, but as a separate source of information iSailor was great.  iSailor uses Transas chart data, on a subscription basis.  It was consistently the most reliable and detailed, although not always perfect.  Transas' primary customers are commercial ships, and in the past I have read that their coverage is meager in shallow or remote areas where shipping doesn't go.  We did not find that to be at all true--at least in the Bahamas and the USA east coast.

Enjoy the islands!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

greatketch@...
 

Another perspective, with similar comments.  Basically, you can't have too many sources of information.

We have sailed the past two winters partly (or almost entirely!) in the Bahamas. and used three primary data sources for charts.  Combined with the standard cruising guide books (Important additions!)  we never felt lost.  None of the sources were "best" all the time, but combining them, thinking a bit, and adding some risk management we did fine.  

We unexpectedly ran aground only once, on a shifting sandbar in a channel that none of the charts had marked. The other times we bumped bottom we were feeling our way along and expected it based on what we saw on the charts.

We used the NV Chart paper chart books for planning, and cross checking the electronic data. We were very happy with them.  Not detailed in all the out of the way places, but excellent overall coverage. Relatively inexpensive, and easy to get a full set of paper coverage for the islands.  I am always happier with paper charts in hand.

The main chart plotter had the standard Navionics chip.  We found them no worse (and no better) then they are anywhere else. Sometimes with obvious errors that rudimentary quality control on the data should have found. We would definitely recommend NOT using the "Sonar Depths" crowd-sourced soundings for navigation.

We also used iSailor on the iPad. As a navigation tool, I dislike the iPad intensely, but as a separate source of information iSailor was great.  iSailor uses Transas chart data, on a subscription basis.  It was consistently the most reliable and detailed, although not always perfect.  Transas' primary customers are commercial ships, and in the past I have read that their coverage is meager in shallow or remote areas where shipping doesn't go.  We did not find that to be at all true--at least in the Bahamas and the USA east coast.

Enjoy the islands!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Mike Ondra
 

Toe Pulley seekers,

See below additional information from Bernard. Seems like he may be the best source available.

His email is ba AT ancelle DOT net.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Bernard Ancelle < >

Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:08 AM

To: Mike Ondra <mdondra@...>

Subject: Re: Amel pulley

 

Hi Mike

Thanks for your request.

I am preparing to supply such devices - pulley + 3 screws FHc M6*25 in inox 316L -.

I am currently seeing with my suppliers (plastics, screws and tools).

And I think the 1rst devices would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks.

Their price will be 60 Euro without taxes per device and the postal fee in supplement.

These parts will be availabe for the whole Amel owners. You can dispatch this information.

Best regards.

Bernard Ancelle

PS : To order please send me your right address. When I will know the delivery date I will send you either the order confirmation and my bank acount number for the money transfer.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

 

 

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.

 

He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

 

Bernard says :

The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

 

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

 

i have ordered two pulleys today.

 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

karkauai
 

Thanks J-L and Alan.  I’m ordering, too.

Kent
S/V Kristy

On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Alan! 
Our prototype didn't work out, so we will order from Bernard!

Kelly + Ryan
SM233 Iteration
Boston


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 21:10 James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  


Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347
On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

Kelly Ran
 

Thanks Alan! 
Our prototype didn't work out, so we will order from Bernard!

Kelly + Ryan
SM233 Iteration
Boston


On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 21:10 James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  


Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347
On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

James Cromie
 

Alan - Thanks for sharing this.  There are many of us who have been desiring to replace our cracked sheaves, and this is a great and affordable alternative.  I am going to give it a try as well.  

Thank you again everyone - This forum is full of gems!

-James
SV Soteria 
SM2K  347

On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.


He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas.

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

FWIW… we use Navionics on iPad Pro along with Ovitalmap.

Bit of a chore initially as you need to download “hi-res” Google Earth charts for the places you wish to visit.  Once loaded, they remain in memory.  No internet needed.

Ovital map is very precise and one determines the water depth by the map shades/color.  VERY useful in French Polynesia and again in Tonga.  Of course our radar and Sonar help too.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Tonga.



On 17 Oct 2018, at 01:55, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  


I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?


Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  


I appreciate your input as always!


James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi Mark,
Thank you for providing great perspective. This is very valuable for us who have yet to venture there. You have "been there and done that" while documenting and sharing everything thoroughly and entertainingly . We enjoy reading your web page keep up the good work.  

Regards,
Chuck & Kim
Joy SM2K 388

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:45 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

James,

 

I think you might be over thinking this a little bit. You will find Navionics charts perfectly ample to move up and down the islands. However, when entering shallow areas use the Explorer Charts and the waypoints on their magenta line. Put this course unto your plotter. Do this and you will not have any issues.

 

Keep in mind the Bahamian waters are very clear. You will quickly learn to read the water color. The bottom is almost always sand and the tide is about 3 feet. If entering a shallow harbor, do it at low tide, stay in the darker color water and go slowly.

 

Perhaps the most hazardous issue when going up and down the island chain is a phenomenon known as rage. This is when the water flow is against the wind in certain cuts between islands. You should become familiar with this and understand how the water flows and ebbs as the tide changes. Often times the current flow between islands (in narrow cuts) can exceed you boat’s ability to make headway. Timing island passages with the best tidal flow is a must do.

 

Another concern in the Bahamas is to have a safe anchorage when the winds clock westerly. There are tons of nice spots when the wind is from the east but during a front these can turn nasty. The few safe spots in a westerly wind will quickly fill up. The Explorer guides can help you better plan for all conditions. This is not much of an issue in the Abacos but in the Exumas you can get caught. When in the Exumas and bad weather is heading in, the best places to be are Elizabeth Harbour (George Town) on Exuma Island, Cambridge Cay (aka as Little Bells) and Waderick Wells Cay. Both Cambridge and Waderick are inside the Exuma land and Sea Park. We once were stuck at Cambridge Cay for 12 days. It was an awesome place to be stuck. There is always room in Elizabeth Harbour, it is a huge bay and there are at least 100-200 boats at any given time during the season.

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Thanks for the feedback. 

Are the explorer cmap digital charts worthwhile?  This would mean using a Cmap chart reader software on a PC, as my BG Zeus chart plotter isn’t compatible with CMAP format.  What experience do any of you have with PC based chart readers for this format?

 

James


On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would not trust Navionics on depth, only the explorer charts. Routinely navionics was off. Set up the waypoints from the explorer charts on your chart plotter and hold to the tracks. With this method you will be safe with a very high likelihood. 

I shaved some sea grass once in 5 meter water (on navionics) with our keel. 

 

 

Porter

IBIS 

54-152

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

Navionics charts work well but the best charts are the Explorer Charts (paper guides). They show anchorages and note areas of good holding and the depths are very accurate. In the Abaco Islands the best charts we found were in Steve Dodge’s The Cruising Guide to Abaco, Bahamas. This guide include routes in the Abacos with a nine foot draft.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended charts for sailing the Bahamas

 

 

Fellow Amelians:  Though this is not an "Amel-specific" question, I pose this to you because I would like to know your experience sailing the Bahamas with a 6'7" or more draft.  

 

I have heard that Explorer Charts are perhaps the most reliable regarding depth soundings in this region.  I would like to know if any of you use Navionics while in the Bahamas, and if so, is it adequate?

 

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if I need to supplement my Navionics digital charts and Maptech paper charts with something else.  

 

I appreciate your input as always!

 

James

SV Soteria

SM2K 347

Portsmouth, RI

 

 


Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Alan Leslie
 

Courtesy of Jean-Luc Mertz, I have been in touch with Bernard Ancelle in France.

He is making a one piece toe pulley in PETP (polyester). They will be available for purchase in a few weeks

Bernard says :
The pulley is in one piece and thicker than original aluminum Amel one
for strength (but the core of the pulley has the same thickness as the
original one to be easily fitted).
The material is PETP which resists well to a lot of chemical products
(particularly sea water), does not absorb water, resists to UV and has
good mechanical properties.
The combination of plastics device and inox (stainless) screws would not be
subjected to corrosion as the previous one.

Bernard can supply the pulley including 3 x  M6 316L stainless bolts for 60 Euros plus postage.

You can order directly from Bernard by email :  ba at ancelle dot net

i have ordered two pulleys today.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea...leaving for Opua tomorrow !


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