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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Service Agents Responsibilities
Dear Ian,
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No help really but you are not the only one. I had Volvo agent Papeete Tahiti service my Volvo and mend a minor leak in the water pump. They apparently re- installed the ancillary drive belt incorrectly which shortly afterwards (we were in remote Reatea by then) shredded which in turn broke the main cam belt tensioner pulley and destroyed the engine. The analysis of this fault cause and effect was carried out for me by a main Volvo distributor agent recently retired from France to French Polynesia. I broached this ‘negligence ‘ to the Volvo against that caused the problem - there shrugged their shoulders and said ‘not our fault - we will not accept any liability’. I had to rely on their help to lend me the tools to effect the repair (they said they would not do the job as they lacked the experience) so I had no choice but to pay up and move on. My bank balance was damaged a bit more than yours in this case. Good luck. Peter Peter Forbes 00447836 209730
On 18 Oct 2018, at 20:15, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grenada Insurance Coverage
Oops! Hit the send button by mistake.
Steve,
Spice Island Marine in Grenada cannot meet the Pantaenius new requirements. The are no cradles or pits. Boats are blocked with jack stands and tethered to ground screws. These were all installed post Hurricane Ivan.
I am a big fan of Pantaenius and have sent many boaters their way. But, I really think their new restrictions are overly zealous and I am refraining from any further recommendations. The requirements are just about impossible to meet just about anywhere in the Carib. So, perhaps they are sending a message to boaters in the Carib?. If they do not change their requirements, I think it will cost them in the long run. This is a shame because they have an excellent reputation. These restrictions will likely force some people to shop for other options.
Perhaps Pantaenius should be a little more realistic or perhaps provide to owners the very short list of facilities in the Carib known to be able to meet the new requirements, if any exists.
You should also check with Clarks Court Marine in Grenada but I’m pretty sure that also will not be able to meet the requirements.
If you have the option of leaving your vessel in the water with the Pantaenius policy as we do, the St Louis Marina in Grenada can meet the requirements since the have solid concrete docks. You’ll need to have some ridiculous amount of fenders (I think it’s 20) to meet the policy requirements.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Aruba www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hello All. TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI. As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage. While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes: 1.
The
insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the
vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be
lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a
minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing
is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located
symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada? Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill? When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?
Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching. Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.
All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...
Steve Morrison SM 380 TouRai Hampton, VA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grenada Insurance Coverage
Steve,
Spice Island Marine in Grenada cannot meet the Pantaenius new requirements. The are no cradles or pits. Boats are blocked with jack stands and tethered to ground screws.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hello All. TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI. As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage. While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes: 1.
The
insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the
vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be
lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a
minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing
is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located
symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada? Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill? When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?
Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching. Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.
All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...
Steve Morrison SM 380 TouRai Hampton, VA
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Service Agents Responsibilities
Ian Shepherd
I am fishing for a gut feeling on this one . Whilst in Marmaris Turkey I had a company called Marlin Yachting come and have a look at my Yanmar engine which was becoming increasingly difficult to start. They fixed that easily by renewing the O-ring in the water sensor at the bottom of the engine mounted fuel filter. They also advised that there was marginal current flowing through the extra solenoid that I had fitted to shut down the engine. This is connected to the manual shut off lever, and was installed by myself some years ago because the shut off valve in the fuel pump was unreliable, it sometimes taking more than a minute of holding the stop button in to stop the engine. As they were the experts I agreed that they would send over their electrician to install an extra relay in the solenoid circuit. I watched this man struggle with the task for about an hour and a half. He was almost in panic mode, tearing wires off and on the relay connectors and then testing the supply by shorting a live wire several times to the engine casing. I noticed too that the fault light on the genset rocker switch had started to flash, but thought at the time he might just have lent on the switch and brought the yellow light on. The genset had after all ran perfectly the day before coming into a marina to have the work done. His efforts seemed so confused that I decided to go to Marlin's office to express concern that he was taking so long and acting in a reckless way. They telephoned him to be told that he had now got the relay working, so there was no need to replace him. However later that day when I went out to test a rebuilt water maker pump, the genset would not start. The dreaded 3 flashes that I saw when he was working in the engine room remained. Getting into the second level of codes showed error 35 which is an EPROM failure which requires a replacement control board which in Turkey costs US$1880! With labour $2174! As the engine and genset bodies are both electrically connected I
am convinced that my genset was damaged by the electrical
discharges that this man made whilst he was in panic mode. How
else could the EPROM fail whilst shut down following a perfect
shutdown the previous day? It's a million to one chance that the
EPROM would fail whilst the electrician was working next to the shutdown
genset. The only trouble I have ever had with my Onan is impeller
failures from time to time. Electrically it has been perfect. I met with the manager of Marlin who at first agreed that
accidents like this could happen, and he tried to convince me that
the board was OK, quoting suspect fuses that don't even exist on
the Onan! Once he realised the cost of replacing the board, he
refused to consider that his company was in anyway responsible and
that there would be no compensation for my loss. It's a difficult
one to prove, but the circumstances all point to the reckless
behaviour of their electrician. Torque Marine who are the
appointed Onan service agents changed the board and everything is
fine once more, except my bank account. I would have thought that
service companies might be required to carry insurance to cover
damage caused by their employees? Court action would be difficult
as I don't live in Turkey, but I could always post my opinion of
their company on social media. Onan were contacted and their
opinion was that the EPROM was probably damaged by the electrical
shorting. Has anyone else had a similar misfortune, and any advice on how
to resolve it? Does anyone have in depth knowledge of a Turkish
service companies responsibilities when something goes wrong? Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor
I think the steel is just a structural backbone for the seal and other materials are configurations would give you longer life. I replaced ours with off-the-shelf SKF seals. Also the bow thruster seals. Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
On Oct 18, 2018 2:25 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Photo of furler swivel showing locating tongue
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi. Attached is a photo Danny SM 299 Ocean pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grenada insurance Coverage
John Clark
Hi Steve, We have TopSail (UK) the named storm exclusion zone ends at 12.07 degrees, which is about midway across Grenada. This means all the boatyards in Grenada are clear of the exclusion zone so you would be covered here. I have also been told that you can request amendments to your policy which may not be as big of a deal as you think. We amended our navigation limits and schedule several times last year for a nominal charge. At Peake in Trinidad I saw many yachts fastened to the ground with straps. Not so much at Coral Cove. In Grenada I walked around Spice Island Boat Yard and don't recall if the boats were tied down, but there were several Super Maramus present. I can dinghy over ad check if you are interested. Regards John SV Annie SM 37 Hartman Bay Grenada
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor
Thanks Mike and John. I’ll try Motion Industries Mike. Apparently the seals on the driveshaft are OEM parts, the steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals is unusual and the 3 seal companies I’ve called say I’ll have to get them from the manufacturer. So far I’ve contacted Leroy Somers in the US, and they won’t sell me anything to do with this gearbox. They referred me to Amel, but Maud replied that the only parts she can supply are the bronze gears. I’m waiting to hear from ERIKS, the seal manufacturer, but I’m not holding my breath. If a seal that doesn’t have the steel plate will do, it’s an easy part to source, I’m jut not sure of the function of the steel plate. I have ordered a new motor and gearbox from Maude, but want to be able to replace seals on the old ones, too. Kent Robertson
On Oct 18, 2018, at 10:58 AM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, the gearboxes on Annie were in poor condition when I bought the boat. i replaced them in their entirety. If the top plate on the box is damaged maybe the simplest way forward is to just buy a new gearbox. I had Bonfig's and they were about $200 USD in the US. I realize yours are different but i cannot imagine that the cost would vary too much. As far as the seals are concerned I think that most mechanical parts found in an assembly like these gear boxes is an off the shelf part. If you have the casing and shaft diameter and the depth you can most likely replace the seal with another brand. I rooted around on the forum last year when rebuilding the emergency main furling gearbox. It took a bit but in the forum there were parts lists with easily sourced contemporary replacements.....for example the thrust bearing is also the front wheel bearing for an Acura NSX, the seals were from a Nissan..... you get the idea. Do a deepo dive oon the foorum and see if you can find someone else who did the same job. Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 Hartman Bay Grenada
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ballooner Not Locking
Ian Shepherd
Thanks to Bill K, Danny and Alexandre for your replies. Until I am able to get the swivel down I can't really say which advice applies. Maybe there will be no wind tomorrow and I will be able to drop the genoa whilst at anchor here in Marmaris. I favour Bills thought that if the head attachment rope is too long there may be an alignment problem, but I will check the tongue as well. Ian SM2K 414 Crusader
On 18/10/2018 18:03,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ballooner Not Locking
Danny Simms
Hi Bill, further to my last. The reason it won't be over the slot is because the tongue I described being worn off. I struggled with the same problem before it was pointed out to me by another amelian. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: Grenada insurance Coverage
Ian Park
Check Y Yachts UK. Their plain wording contract is on their website. Pantaenius UK had a high percentage hurricane damage excess. Y Yachts asked for a 5k excess.
We spent a couple of years in Clarke’s Court which met all requirements. Ours is a Santorin, but I am aware of SM owners who are using Y Yachts. Good luck Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Grenada summer insurance
Steve Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
Hello All. TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI. As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage. While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
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Grenada insurance Coverage
Steve Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
Hello All. TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI. As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage. While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
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Grenada Insurance Coverage
steve_morrison@...
Hello All. TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI. As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage. While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
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Re: Gennaker
Ian Park
I’ve kept my ballooned up way beyond recommended wind speed mainly because I left it too late. We just furled down to storm job size and ran downwind overnight until the wind dropped then dropped and got back on our proper course. Depends where you are in relation to land and distance to go.
One of the reasons that both headsails fuel together. Question to ask is “can I manage without my Genoa if things get worse?” Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: Ballooner Not Locking
greatketch@...
Ian,
I have found one issue you might have a look at. I am sure there are others that people with more Amel time than I have come across. I haven't noticed it being sensitive to the exact height on the foil, although I haven't tested it much in that regard. If latch actually works with all the parts in hand, it might be an alignment issue. Keep the lashing line from the head of the genoa very short, and be sure that the head swivel is rotating smoothly. You want to be sure that the latch stays directly over the proper slot in the foil. If it rotates off center a bit it doesn't latch. Bill Kinney Sm160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote : The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down after the problem first appeared. Any thoughts please? I love using this sail. Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor
John Clark
Hi Kent, the gearboxes on Annie were in poor condition when I bought the boat. i replaced them in their entirety. If the top plate on the box is damaged maybe the simplest way forward is to just buy a new gearbox. I had Bonfig's and they were about $200 USD in the US. I realize yours are different but i cannot imagine that the cost would vary too much. As far as the seals are concerned I think that most mechanical parts found in an assembly like these gear boxes is an off the shelf part. If you have the casing and shaft diameter and the depth you can most likely replace the seal with another brand. I rooted around on the forum last year when rebuilding the emergency main furling gearbox. It took a bit but in the forum there were parts lists with easily sourced contemporary replacements.....for example the thrust bearing is also the front wheel bearing for an Acura NSX, the seals were from a Nissan..... you get the idea. Do a deepo dive oon the foorum and see if you can find someone else who did the same job. Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 Hartman Bay Grenada
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor
Try Motion Industries. they have been a good source of seals for me. SKF manufacturers quite a few varieties. Mike Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
On Oct 18, 2018 9:22 AM, "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Leroy Somers Outhaul gearbox and motor
Hi Amelians,
I am doing maintenance on my outhaul gear box, and need new lip seals. The gears still look great and the grease looks new without any evidence of water intrusion. The double lip ones on the main shaft are unusual in that there is a steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals. It is ferrous and rusty. They are ID 35mm OD 45mm Depth 5mm, and marked: ERIKS -F 2 BAF SL DRW 30 45 5 After trying other seal manufacturers, Leroy Somers USA, and Amel, I still haven’t found anyplace that can/will sell them to me. Maud says she can’t help. I’m waiting to hear back from ERIKS but have little hope that they will be able to source them. First question: what is the steel plate embedded in the crown of the seals for? Would a seal without the plate work just as well? Second: has anyone found a source for these seals? Third: The upper plate on the gearbox was broken getting it off of the boom. Has anyone had one of these made at a machine shop? Any issues? As usual, thank you for your help and expertise. Happy Sailing Kent SM 243 KRISTY St Michaels MD USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner Not Locking
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Ian,
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Happened to me once and it was because the ballooner and spinnaker lines were twisted… so as I raised the ballooner it did not lock into the mousetrap. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/18/18, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner Not Locking To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2018, 1:53 AM The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down after the problem first appeared. Any thoughts please? I love using this sail. Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)
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