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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Grenada summer insurance

 

I have had numerous emails asking me for more info on my interpretation of the wording now used in the Pantaenius policy.

I no longer have the entire policy, just clips that others have posted. As I remember the policy that I read 3 years ago, it was different than what was posted...I could be wrong, but allow me to continue.

As I understand the Pantaenius policy, regardless of your location in the world, if there is a named tropical storm there are specific duties that you must perform to be covered. As example, if your vessel is in the ABCs or Panama, where hurricanes are rare, you must perform all of the following...and I believe that you will not find a place within probably 500 miles that all of the following is available. In fact, I believe that you will not find all of the following anywhere.

"The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length. Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss."

I have highlighted undefined terms, which I believe will be defined to  Pantaenius' benefit at the time of claim, and I also highlighted some requirements that you probably will not be able to perform. For instance, "unitized" is generally defined as "welded together" and we all know that these are usually bolted at some points to allow for adjustment. Who will define "suitable?" What is the definition of "hurricane pit"? I know some yards simply dig a hole. I am not sure. You will have to utilize single straps run transversely across the vessel and lashed to 5000 pound concrete blocks because you do not have cleats every 10 feet, and I think you will not find single tensioning straps with 5000 pound breaking strength that are long enough to transverse your boat to concrete blocks on the ground. I have never seen the required 12 each 5000 pound concrete blocks at any vessel secured in a hurricane cradle or pit...maybe it exists somewhere, but I haven't seen it. I say 12 because every 10 feet means 6 on each side.

I sincerely hope that the above clears up my thinking on this policy. I will admit that I am somewhat prejudiced based on how a few of our members were recently treated. In one recent case the insurance company used undefined terms to deny most of a total loss. I admit that really irritated me, as well as, all of the rest of you familiar with NIKIMATs total loss claim. I believe that the above policy language is "Loud & Clear" on Pantaenius' intentions if a claim is submitted. Only time will tell if I am correct, partially correct, or simply prejudiced...frankly I really hope that it is the latter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:24 AM Steve Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: Santorin cockpit light wiring

Craig Briggs
 

I finally found it! 

It goes down inside the center of the hard dodger but then, just to confuse you, turns to port a couple of feet under the dodger base before it goes down through a hole in the deck (under the dodger) and into the wire area behind the overhead sliding panel in the galley. Just a loose butt connector on the negative wire.  As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around". And it only took me 5 hours :-)  

Cheers, Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Does anyone know where the wires from the Santorin cockpit light are terminated? The + side is switched with the main salon breaker, but the wire runs to a remote terminal. I've got a fault on the - side and am guessing it may be connected at the nav station terminals, with the wires running in the overhead over to the nav station. If anyone has traced these wires down I'd appreciated knowing where they are. I suspect the SM may be wired similarly, but don't really know.
Cheers,
Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris - Brunswick GA USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

 

Craig, no weather strip means that all water running down the companionway door will run inside the boat and inside that bulkhead. I would really advise against that unless moisture, mold and mildew is acceptable.

The most common reason for black marks on the Companionway Door is that the wood gets damaged by UV and causes the rubber weather strip to stick as the door is lowered. In my opinion, the best treatment for the teak veneer door is to light hand-sand it and treat it with teak oil (at least every 6 months in the tropics). Pay attention to the rubber weather strip and do not allow it to fold under itself when lowering the door. If you have varnished the door (don't recommend), or teak-oiled it, and it is in good condition, AND, the rubber is still sticking to the door and folding under: Use a light coat of silicone spray on the door (Not WD40). You should also use the silicone spray on the door and top tracks and slides. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:45 AM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

And here's what I found a few years ago, it also works great.


Remove the weatherstripping and don't replace it.

You can keep the plywood or switch to plexiglass to amazingly brighten things below. No weatherstripping means no scratched or worn door panel.

Cheers, Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Here’s what I found a few years ago, it works great.

Here's the gasket material I found that works fine.  It's enough to do two replacements.

My first replacement in 2010 has dried out and needs replacement again after 5 years.

Purchased at JCWhitney.com

+1 800-529-4486

 

Belt Weatherstripping

Item No. 819751

 

Cost including shipping in 2010 was $28 US.


No bending required, just holes drilled and cut to length.


Since I put spar urethane on the companionway door, I’ve had no black rubber coming off on the door as it slides up and down.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mike, I'm about to purchase this seal from Rockauto but have a few questions first.

Do you have any material left?
It looks like the metal piece is raised above the level of the fixed piece of wood that is on the outside of the door. Did you ever bend that down flush or have you left it raised, i tend to put my foot on the door sometimes.
I wish i had looked at it while at the rendezvous
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

Alan Grayson
 

Thanks Mike, I'll take a piece. I have sent you an email off forum as well.

Kent, i couldn't find that part number on their website so ill just go with mikes item thanks tho.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

 

Craig,

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything until I had more to say. I apologize for the unintended "tease." I commented because I am as frustrated as most of you probably are. Insurance while cruising on BeBe equaled about 10% of our total cruising expenses...very close to the cost of food or boat maintenance.

I was motivated to do whatever I could regarding fair and quality insurance for Amel School Clients and I was angry and likewise motivated because of the way a few friends have recently been treated by insurance companies.

I reached out to someone I know in the marine insurance business and explained all of the reasons why I thought that Amel Yachts and this particular group of owners should be treated as a "select group." He agreed and has been working to provide just that. Of course, until I see what it is, I cannot know if it is what any Amel owner may want. And I can't really comment further because to do so would be guessing on my part.

I wish I had more to say.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:57 AM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill Rouse,


I'd also like to know those specifics, if you will, as I've gone over our newest Pantaenius policy quite thoroughly and the unrealistic storage requirements were all I noted as changed and objectionable. 

That they have added "legal traps" as you call them is troubling and I'm sure those of us with Pantaenius policies would really like you to tell us what they are, as I, for one, simply didn't spot them.

I shopped a bit but got much higher quotes and less coverage so stuck with Pantaenius and just moved the boat north (out of Florida) into the seemingly prime east coast hurricane landing zone, but that's another issue.

Best,
Craig Briggs, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

Can you be specific about what has changed in Pantaenius' policies?  

Except for the changes in the tropical storm region, as far as I have noticed there have been no "Lawerly" changes to the terms of the policy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@...,
I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Bill Rouse,

I'd also like to know those specifics, if you will, as I've gone over our newest Pantaenius policy quite thoroughly and the unrealistic storage requirements were all I noted as changed and objectionable. 

That they have added "legal traps" as you call them is troubling and I'm sure those of us with Pantaenius policies would really like you to tell us what they are, as I, for one, simply didn't spot them.

I shopped a bit but got much higher quotes and less coverage so stuck with Pantaenius and just moved the boat north (out of Florida) into the seemingly prime east coast hurricane landing zone, but that's another issue.

Best,
Craig Briggs, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

Bill,

Can you be specific about what has changed in Pantaenius' policies?  

Except for the changes in the tropical storm region, as far as I have noticed there have been no "Lawerly" changes to the terms of the policy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <steve_morrison@...> wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

Craig Briggs
 

And here's what I found a few years ago, it also works great.

Remove the weatherstripping and don't replace it.

You can keep the plywood or switch to plexiglass to amazingly brighten things below. No weatherstripping means no scratched or worn door panel.

Cheers, Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Here’s what I found a few years ago, it works great.

Here's the gasket material I found that works fine.  It's enough to do two replacements.

My first replacement in 2010 has dried out and needs replacement again after 5 years.

Purchased at JCWhitney.com

+1 800-529-4486

 

Belt Weatherstripping

Item No. 819751

 

Cost including shipping in 2010 was $28 US.


No bending required, just holes drilled and cut to length.


Since I put spar urethane on the companionway door, I’ve had no black rubber coming off on the door as it slides up and down.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mike, I'm about to purchase this seal from Rockauto but have a few questions first.

Do you have any material left?
It looks like the metal piece is raised above the level of the fixed piece of wood that is on the outside of the door. Did you ever bend that down flush or have you left it raised, i tend to put my foot on the door sometimes.
I wish i had looked at it while at the rendezvous
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

As is so often the case this thread happens to come up on the Amel Owners forum just at the right time when we are needing information of an issue.

We had been happily with Panteanius for 6 years, now Velos for 1.5yrs, but need to change insurers this week ahead of 31 October expiry. Velos can no longer insure a UK Registered boat if the owner (UK/EU citizen) has permanent residence in Australia.

We are just finalising clauses and costs with Top Sail over this  past week but it is pretty expensive. Also Y Yachts seem to have the same issue as Velos with regard to a UK registered yacht who has a UK citizen with a permanent residence in Australia. Not sure why this is, but assume it is the new Australian banking/Finance/Insurance regulators rules who have created roadblocks for all Insurance Companies who do not have a business footprint in Australia?

Anyhow if there is something in the melting pot Bill, or any other 11th hour advice for me, then would be most pleased to hear about it tomorrow. Our cruising area will be Cape Town to Caribbean and need to consider haul out and/or sailing into SW Caribbean option for 2019 Hurricane season so looking for best policy to cover those.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, sm#332
RCYC, at the stunningly beautiful Cape Town

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:58 AM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill Kinney,

I sent you an email off group.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 20:45 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Can you be specific about what has changed in Pantaenius' policies?  

Except for the changes in the tropical storm region, as far as I have noticed there have been no "Lawerly" changes to the terms of the policy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Old New Owner

Danny Simms
 

Welcome back Roque.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl 

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 12:10, ediroque@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear all

I am glad to inform that I am an Amel owner. Again.

I know many of you have bought two (or three!) “Amels”, usually “moving up”. I went sideways! Maybe it is a first.  I used to own the Amel 54 #110, sold in 2014. Now I bought Attika, AMEL 54 #117, here in Brazil, my hometown.

I never really left this Forum after I sold my former 54, since it is always a pleasure to see so much camaraderie and expertise shared. So congrats to all that keep the ball rolling. A special thanks to Jose Luis, who recently “resigned” from his position. And a welcome to Bill, who will certainly do a great job (besides his so generous contributions).

As usual, there is some work, upgrades and fixing to do aboard Attika. I am counting on your sage advice and opinions.

And if you ever need anything from Brazil, please let me know.

Sincerely


Roque (Edison Roque)

Attika  A54 #117

Paraty - Brazil


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

 

Bill Kinney,

I sent you an email off group.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 20:45 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Can you be specific about what has changed in Pantaenius' policies?  

Except for the changes in the tropical storm region, as far as I have noticed there have been no "Lawerly" changes to the terms of the policy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

greatketch@...
 

Bill,

Can you be specific about what has changed in Pantaenius' policies?  

Except for the changes in the tropical storm region, as far as I have noticed there have been no "Lawerly" changes to the terms of the policy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <steve_morrison@...> wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Old New Owner

Porter McRoberts
 

Very nice!
Welcome!!

Porter
S/V IBIS
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 20, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Roque,

Congratulations!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 18:10 ediroque@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear all

I am glad to inform that I am an Amel owner. Again.

I know many of you have bought two (or three!) “Amels”, usually “moving up”. I went sideways! Maybe it is a first.  I used to own the Amel 54 #110, sold in 2014. Now I bought Attika, AMEL 54 #117, here in Brazil, my hometown.

I never really left this Forum after I sold my former 54, since it is always a pleasure to see so much camaraderie and expertise shared. So congrats to all that keep the ball rolling. A special thanks to Jose Luis, who recently “resigned” from his position. And a welcome to Bill, who will certainly do a great job (besides his so generous contributions).

As usual, there is some work, upgrades and fixing to do aboard Attika. I am counting on your sage advice and opinions.

And if you ever need anything from Brazil, please let me know.

Sincerely


Roque (Edison Roque)

Attika  A54 #117

Paraty - Brazil


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Old New Owner

 

Roque,

Congratulations!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 18:10 ediroque@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear all

I am glad to inform that I am an Amel owner. Again.

I know many of you have bought two (or three!) “Amels”, usually “moving up”. I went sideways! Maybe it is a first.  I used to own the Amel 54 #110, sold in 2014. Now I bought Attika, AMEL 54 #117, here in Brazil, my hometown.

I never really left this Forum after I sold my former 54, since it is always a pleasure to see so much camaraderie and expertise shared. So congrats to all that keep the ball rolling. A special thanks to Jose Luis, who recently “resigned” from his position. And a welcome to Bill, who will certainly do a great job (besides his so generous contributions).

As usual, there is some work, upgrades and fixing to do aboard Attika. I am counting on your sage advice and opinions.

And if you ever need anything from Brazil, please let me know.

Sincerely


Roque (Edison Roque)

Attika  A54 #117

Paraty - Brazil


Old New Owner

Roque
 

Dear all

I am glad to inform that I am an Amel owner. Again.

I know many of you have bought two (or three!) “Amels”, usually “moving up”. I went sideways! Maybe it is a first.  I used to own the Amel 54 #110, sold in 2014. Now I bought Attika, AMEL 54 #117, here in Brazil, my hometown.

I never really left this Forum after I sold my former 54, since it is always a pleasure to see so much camaraderie and expertise shared. So congrats to all that keep the ball rolling. A special thanks to Jose Luis, who recently “resigned” from his position. And a welcome to Bill, who will certainly do a great job (besides his so generous contributions).

As usual, there is some work, upgrades and fixing to do aboard Attika. I am counting on your sage advice and opinions.

And if you ever need anything from Brazil, please let me know.

Sincerely


Roque (Edison Roque)

Attika  A54 #117

Paraty - Brazil


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

Mike Ondra
 

When you order this you get 2 ea. 4 ft. pieces. So I do have extra pieces which I had at the rendezvous but failed to mention. You are welcome to one.

The metal does extend above the wood and is quite robust so I didn't bend it down and no problem when stepped upon.

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM #240 Rock Hall, MD
Soon to be St. Augustine, FL

On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mike, I'm about to purchase this seal from Rockauto but have a few questions first.

Do you have any material left?
It looks like the metal piece is raised above the level of the fixed piece of wood that is on the outside of the door. Did you ever bend that down flush or have you left it raised, i tend to put my foot on the door sometimes.
I wish i had looked at it while at the rendezvous
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I have always kept my companionway varnished. Add to that furniture polish and it goes up and down really easily, have to be careful not to let it drop. My weather shield strip is original.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 21 October 2018 at 09:37 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Here’s what I found a few years ago, it works great.


Here's the gasket material I found that works fine.  It's enough to do two replacements.

My first replacement in 2010 has dried out and needs replacement again after 5 years.

Purchased at JCWhitney.com

+1 800-529-4486

 

Belt Weatherstripping

Item No. 819751

 

Cost including shipping in 2010 was $28 US.


No bending required, just holes drilled and cut to length.


Since I put spar urethane on the companionway door, I’ve had no black rubber coming off on the door as it slides up and down.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mike, I'm about to purchase this seal from Rockauto but have a few questions first.

Do you have any material left?
It looks like the metal piece is raised above the level of the fixed piece of wood that is on the outside of the door. Did you ever bend that down flush or have you left it raised, i tend to put my foot on the door sometimes.
I wish i had looked at it while at the rendezvous
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?

karkauai
 

Here’s what I found a few years ago, it works great.

Here's the gasket material I found that works fine.  It's enough to do two replacements.

My first replacement in 2010 has dried out and needs replacement again after 5 years.

Purchased at JCWhitney.com

+1 800-529-4486

 

Belt Weatherstripping

Item No. 819751

 

Cost including shipping in 2010 was $28 US.


No bending required, just holes drilled and cut to length.


Since I put spar urethane on the companionway door, I’ve had no black rubber coming off on the door as it slides up and down.

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mike, I'm about to purchase this seal from Rockauto but have a few questions first.

Do you have any material left?
It looks like the metal piece is raised above the level of the fixed piece of wood that is on the outside of the door. Did you ever bend that down flush or have you left it raised, i tend to put my foot on the door sometimes.
I wish i had looked at it while at the rendezvous
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

This is good news. We, along with many other Pantaenius customers, are actively shopping. Looking forward to hearing more.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 2:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

 

 

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve,

 

We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:

The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 

Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

 

 


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:

1.    The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.





My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

 

Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

 

All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

 

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Hampton, VA

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Grenada summer insurance

 

I have recommended Pantaenius for the last 2 years, but I have always said, that the "best boat insurance company" changes often. It has changed! I currently would recommend avoiding Pantaenius because they have "lawyered" their policies with legal traps (requirements) which are apparently designed in such a way to avoid paying a claim. I am not sure who I would recommend at this point. 

Sometime early next year I hope to announce a policy designed for Amel Yacht Owners. Unfortunately, at this time, I can't say anything else about it. And, it may not be anything better than what's available. I have not been given a copy of the policy language yet. I will let you all know more when I know more.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


We have been looking at the Pantaenius "hurricane zone" coverage conditions as well since we are considering the Southwest Caribbean for the summer season.  We found the requirements for land storage (Paragraph 1),inside building storage (Paragraph 2) and in-water storage (Paragraph 3) impractical for a vessel that wasn't out of service for the season--if such things are even available in the real world of the islands.  Fortunately there is a Paragraph 4, that we feel would meet our needs:
The insured vessel may be moved in order to avoid the effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the vessel is moved in a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid the NTS based on the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected path of the NTS is monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is moved and then secured, it must be secured in accordance with requirement 1, 2, or 3 above, unless the projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be affected by the NTS. 
Certainly not everybody's possible answer, but for most of the Caribbean, if where you are has a bull's eye on it, heading south is (rarely) a mistake.  And if we get to the San Blas Islands, the risk there of a named storm is very small.  Certainly lower risk than anyplace on the USA East Coast south of Maine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello All.  TouRai is presently in Hampton Virginia preparing for the Salty Dawg Rally to the BVI.  As this year's plan may involve a summer in Grenada, we are working with Pantaenius to obtain our new coverage.  While reading through the "Named Tropical Storm Plan Requirements" of my new policy quote, Pantaenius writes:
  1. The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured a unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane pit. With either arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the ground or to concrete blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs to be located at each lashing anchor point. Lashing is to be accomplished using a minimum of one (1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of the vessel for every 10 feet of vessel length.
    Each strap shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely across the vessel and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
    the vessel to accomplish required lashings. In addition, the vessel interior and stowage lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and vandalism and all loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment, including but not limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas, and covers, must be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or loss.


    My question to the members here who have spent time in Grenada is, "how difficult is it to meet such requirements in Grenada?  Is this the sort of set up I can expect to find on short notice, or is this a setup that Pantaenius assumes I can't fulfill?  When summering in Grenada, do you pay a haul out facility to hold a spot for you should you need it?  

    Any advice would be welcome as our renewal date is approaching.  Staying below 30.5 already comes with a stiff premium increase through Pantaenius, I just want to believe that I am not paying more for coverage stipulations that I will not be ale to satisfy should the time come.

    All the best to you all as we await the annual 01Nov release...

    Steve Morrison
    SM 380 TouRai
    Hampton, VA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan generator exhaust sensor [2 Attachments]

Alin Misescu
 

Thank you guys.  I will take pictures of wiring, genset serial number and sensor and send them to Onan.


On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 1:34, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Alin,

If you have 2 wires on each terminal, I suspect that you have another sensor or switch  wired parallel to the elbow sensor, which is normally closed. The second sensor may also be normally closed and is open due to a fault. 

The part number that Ian and I  gave you is a normally closed temperature activated sensor switch. Before you do anything, check the continuity of the sensor you have.

The Onan generator used in Amel Super Maramus changed over the years. There may be as many as 4 or 5 different models. I suggest that when asking about the Onan, you always state your model. The fact that your sensor has 2 wires on each terminal and the Onan MDKAV on SM 387 has a single wire on each terminal is probably because of different models. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 01:54 Alin Misescu alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill.

Thanks for that.  I have to sets of wires going to each terminal.  Definitely when connected it shuts down. Do you think I should go ahead and order or it might me a different part?
Regards
Alin, SM2k, 283 Wanderer





On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 12:42, Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
I can confirm that it is Switch Temperature Exhaust cutoff Onan Part 309-0295-01

But, I thought it was normally closed. 

It sounds like yours is normally open? It may be possible that 1 or more of these are connected in series and the actual fault is on the next in the series.

I had a mechanic on board who accidentally broke that sensor on the exhaust elbow. He did not tell me he broke it and a few days later I found the 2 wires on that sensor tied together. The generator worked fine with them connected and shut down with them disconnected. Of course it is possible that different Onan models operate differently. Here is a photo of the two wires tied together. BTW, that mechanic bought a new cutoff sensor.
image.png

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:20 PM Alin Misescu alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Ian. Thanks very much for that. Will order one asap.

Best regards.
Alin, SM2k 283 , Wanderer


On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 21:10, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners]
 

Hi Alin,

The Onan part number is 0309-0295-01 Switch - Temperature. I got a spare from my local Onan dealer. Your problem is not unheard of. Good luck.

Ian shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey


On 19/10/2018 09:31, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hello everyone. I have a problem with my Onan on a SM 2k, the generator starts and dies. After some reading , I discovered the problem, the sensor that is placed on the exhaust elbow. I took the wires and isolated them from each other and it runs perfectly. You put them together, the engine dies. Si I am pretty sure it is the sensor. Do you guys know where I can order it and what do I ask for? Is it called exhaust heat sensor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Alin