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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure [2 Attachments]

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi,

Thanks Kelly and Ryan,

We are at the same point of disassembly. So far, soft cleaning of the accessible interface between the plastic sleeve and the metal parts yielded no results; still stuck. 

There is very little way to hold the outer metal tube in place. And, should I try to get the inner tube pressed out, it’s going to be tricky to hold the outer tube as the flange is tiny. 

I’m really keen to hear what trick Derick’s rigger used to solve the issue.


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba


On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:48, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox.  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: Electronics: complete refit of hull 248, 1999 SM

John Clanton
 

Vic,

There are plenty of folks on this forum with more experience than me, and I'm sure they can provide their experiences over a number of years with various platforms.  So my comments come from general experience on the water in power and sail, and a healthy respect for wanting to avoid things not working at critical times.

The standard package being delivered by Amel in recent years is Furuno chart plotter, autopilot and radar, coupled with B&G wind instruments.  I have a Furuno NavNet TZ Touch 2 plotter, Furuno NavPilot 711C autopilot, Furuno DRS4D radar, and B&G Hydra 5000 wind instrumentation.  I have been very happy with the system and other than a few initial operator errors, have found it to work consistently and flawlessly. 

I have the Furuno AIS blackbox system integrated into the NavNet, and am firmly in the camp that a reliable AIS system is the best value safety system that any boat can have.

In previous boats, I have specified Furuno gear and would have upgraded to them had Amel not already had them as standard.  The reasons I chose them reflects my own approach to risk management, and will certainly not be everyone's choice.

1. Aside from Furuno and Garmin, I believe that every other brand has been through a corporate spin-off, restructuring, or consolidation, which always leaves me wondering about product support after such a change.  I also worry about change in manufacturing processes with one of these events.

2. Furuno is widely used by commercial vessels of all sizes, and (to my knowledge) they only serve the maritime market.

3. Their service network is well developed, and can typically be found anywhere there is a commercial port.

4. My experience is that they are robust and designed beyond what a fair-weather day-sailor would need.

They are clearly not the choice for the budget minded sailor, but I place a value on my peace of mind and my passengers that more than compensates for their higher price.

For what it's worth.


John W. Clanton
S/V Devereux
Amel 55, no. 65







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electronics: complete refit of hull 248, 1999 SM

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Vic,

We refitted with Furuno TZ2 and radar.  Works well with laptop etc. Only minor niggle is the NMEA 2000 AIS (digital yacht) is having difficulty communicating with the plotter.

Regards

Mike & Peta

Solitude
SM2K #461

On 29 Oct 2018, at 17:55, vic.fryzel@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone,


I'm about to start the refit of hull 248. I actually have it hauled and the masts down at the moment, so it's the perfect time to get a few details sorted.


As I'm working through the prep, I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone had any thoughts on best choice(s) for electronics/navigation/instruments? Not worried about cost or any of that, just trying to get what works best. I've had good past experiences in general with Simrad, Garmin, and Maretron, but have never used them on an Amel.


Any thoughts are appreciated!


Thanks,

Vic


Electronics: complete refit of hull 248, 1999 SM

Vic Fryzel
 

Hi everyone,


I'm about to start the refit of hull 248. I actually have it hauled and the masts down at the moment, so it's the perfect time to get a few details sorted.


As I'm working through the prep, I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone had any thoughts on best choice(s) for electronics/navigation/instruments? Not worried about cost or any of that, just trying to get what works best. I've had good past experiences in general with Simrad, Garmin, and Maretron, but have never used them on an Amel.


Any thoughts are appreciated!


Thanks,

Vic


Helm station light

Mark Pitt
 

The dome light at the helm station of Sabbatical III no longer works.  My multi-meter shows only 18 volts and there is substantial resistance on the positive (blue) wire but none on the negative (black) wire.  So I need to pull a new wire.  The existing (original) wire is a grey, round cable containing four wires, two of which are cut off at each end.  It is easy to find in the ceiling space revealed by the sliding ceiling panel just forward of the autopilot locker in the galley.  It disappears by itself into a hole and then apparently comes up in the center section of the hard dodger.  There seems to be a rubber gland where this part of the dodger sits on the deck.  I guess that the electrical cable goes through that gland.


My question is:  Do I have to remove the dodger in order to replace this electrical cable? I have pulled on this cable with only moderate force and it did not budge.  I wish to avoid removing the dodger at this point in time.  Has any one replaced this cable?  Thanks.


   Mark Pitt

   Sabbatical III, SM#419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Wood piece [2 Attachments]

tfortner1975
 

That looks like a well varnished seat that goes in a tender. With the plastic flap end pieces, they slide down into the handles.  That’s my quick guess. 

Google ‘highfield tender seat’ 

On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:21 PM, carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have found this piece of wood in my Sharki #60, build 1982.
Length is 85 centimeter (33.46 "), width is 20 centimeter (7.87 ") and thickness is 24 millimeter (1 ").
Each side has a plastic piece attached as seen in the pics.
What for is that ?

Gerhard
Sharki #60



3rd fridge unit

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, I would like to add the 3rd fridge unit under the fwd settee.

Are the boxes the same size or are they shaped differently?

Is there anyone out there in the US who has a mold made up? 

Would you be willing to ship the mold?

Or be willing to let me arrange a local fiberglasser to make up the box using your mold and ship the box to me in Ft Lauderdale

Does anyone have any other options?

Regards

Alan Grayson

SV Ora Pai SM 406

Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Wood piece [2 Attachments]

Dan
 

Looks like a seat for inflatable boat


On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:25 AM, carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have found this piece of wood in my Sharki #60, build 1982.
Length is 85 centimeter (33.46 "), width is 20 centimeter (7.87 ") and thickness is 24 millimeter (1 ").
Each side has a plastic piece attached as seen in the pics.
What for is that ?

Gerhard
Sharki #60


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<Wood01.jpg>


Unknown Wood piece

carcodespam@...
 

I have found this piece of wood in my Sharki #60, build 1982.
Length is 85 centimeter (33.46 "), width is 20 centimeter (7.87 ") and thickness is 24 millimeter (1 ").
Each side has a plastic piece attached as seen in the pics.
What for is that ?

Gerhard
Sharki #60



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Kelly Ran
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox.  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

 

Elaine and Michael,

The Sunbrella color name is: Taupe.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 9:46 PM 'leishman.elaine' leishman.elaine@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for the info Bill, I do like the colour on the new ones.  I am assuming they would use Sunbrella for the UV protector strip.
 Just looking at the Sunbrella colour choices at the moment as we will be re-doing our bimini as well, and there are a lot to choose from.

Regards,
Elaine and Michael
Super Maramu  251


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date:27/10/2018 23:47 (GMT+10:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

 

The Amel 55, 64, & 50 use Taupe for UV panels. Take a look at www.amel.fr

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Elaine and Michael,


Any good sailmaker will give you lots of options for colour.

We have Burgundy Sunbrella fabric....it looks nice and is also better then white as you can see when it is starting to deteriorate.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Opua, New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

Elaine Leishman
 

Hi Alan,

Thats a good suggestion as we didn't  realize the UV strip needed replacing until we took the sail down prior to re-rigging.  It would perhaps be easier to spot in a darker colour.

Thanks,
Elaine and Michael 
Super Maramu Nebo 251


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date:27/10/2018 18:43 (GMT+10:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

 

Hello Elaine and Michael,


Any good sailmaker will give you lots of options for colour.

We have Burgundy Sunbrella fabric....it looks nice and is also better then white as you can see when it is starting to deteriorate.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Opua, New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

Elaine Leishman
 

Thanks for the info Bill, I do like the colour on the new ones.  I am assuming they would use Sunbrella for the UV protector strip.
 Just looking at the Sunbrella colour choices at the moment as we will be re-doing our bimini as well, and there are a lot to choose from.

Regards,
Elaine and Michael
Super Maramu  251


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date:27/10/2018 23:47 (GMT+10:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

 

The Amel 55, 64, & 50 use Taupe for UV panels. Take a look at www.amel.fr

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Elaine and Michael,


Any good sailmaker will give you lots of options for colour.

We have Burgundy Sunbrella fabric....it looks nice and is also better then white as you can see when it is starting to deteriorate.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Opua, New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Sv Garulfo
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

Ian Park
 

We had our Bimini and new cockpit tent made in taupe so we just had the wind uv strip done the same. Goes well with an Amel.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

 

The Amel 55, 64, & 50 use Taupe for UV panels. Take a look at www.amel.fr

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Elaine and Michael,


Any good sailmaker will give you lots of options for colour.

We have Burgundy Sunbrella fabric....it looks nice and is also better then white as you can see when it is starting to deteriorate.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Opua, New Zealand


Re: Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Elaine and Michael,

Any good sailmaker will give you lots of options for colour.

We have Burgundy Sunbrella fabric....it looks nice and is also better then white as you can see when it is starting to deteriorate.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Opua, New Zealand


Genoa UV Strip Super Maramu 2000

Elaine Leishman
 

We need to replace the UV protection strip on the genoa and wanted to know if anyone has changed the colour from the original. If so any photos. Also if anyone can tell me what the colour options are for this strip on the Amel 55. Thanks,
Elaine and Michael, Super Maramu #251


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] South Florida Surveyor?

amelforme
 

Perhaps a phone conversation this weekend?

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 12:54 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey Joel,


I represent that remark!  My apologies to Paul.  I'll blame.... spell check! Yeah that's it...  spell check!

Bill Kinney


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] South Florida Surveyor?

greatketch@...
 

Hey Joel,

I represent that remark!  My apologies to Paul.  I'll blame.... spell check! Yeah that's it...  spell check!

Bill Kinney