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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main outhaul rope

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

Ive used 12mm dyneema. Ive tried tightening today. Yet to sail,

Regards

Danny

On 01 November 2018 at 14:19 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny,


I tried with Spectra which is similar to Dyneema, but no matter how tight, it slipped.
I think the diameter also has something to do with it...Anderson actually specify 12mm in their manual.
Good luck !
Alan
Elyse SM437

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main outhaul rope

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny,

I tried with Spectra which is similar to Dyneema, but no matter how tight, it slipped.
I think the diameter also has something to do with it...Anderson actually specify 12mm in their manual.
Good luck !
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sheet boom slider broken [2 Attachments]

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul,

There have indeed been quite a number boats with failures of this item. Two things to consider when having one made. First, not all aluminum is created equal. Be sure to quiz the fabricator as to the correct grade. Second, consider making it longer, say twice as long to make it more robust.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 

Ocean Pearl 

On 01 November 2018 at 10:33 "pstas2003@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good day fellow sailors.

I didn’t pay too much attention to this topic when I read it as I didn’t think we had the problem.  However, a week or so ago, when Chuck and Kim on S/V Joy stopped by, Chuck had me take a close look and sure enough, we had some cracks in our block.  Chuck’s was in worse shape than ours.  He removed his and found a local fabricator here in Hampton, VA to make a new one.  I jumped on board and had one made for myself as well. 

Chuck instructed the fabricator to make the new one larger in the hopes that it would be stronger.  We were both happy with the finished product (see pics).

The fabricator made a bunch of extras (I think 6) if anyone is interested in obtaining one.  The cost out the door was $205.00.

The fabricator can be contacted at:

Gilliam Welding
757-727-0773
Metals at GilliamWelding dot com
www.GilliamWelding.com

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising US East Coast


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main outhaul rope

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Alan,

I'm going to try and protect my investment in the dyneema by trying on Bills advice to make it even tighter, I dont think its possible but Ill give it a go. If that fails Ill see if I can get vectran. The line I had before lasted 40.000 miles before its cover stripped, per favour being very tight.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 01 November 2018 at 10:05 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny,


I tried all sorts and none worked until I used 12mm Vectran and that has been very successful for the past 4 years now..

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

Danny Simms
 

Hi Bill, yes bar tight. And I couldn't believe how fast and far it slipped in 18 knots of wind Thanks for the page
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean pearl

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 09:23, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny, maybe it wasn't tight enough. I know at least 10 others that have not had the problem. Did you use the outhaul to really get it tight?

I am sending you a page out of my book.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:14 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

yes I tried to get Kevlar and had to take dyneema 12mm. I fitted it very tightly but useless, as soon as the breeze came up it slipped dramatically. I agree with you about it diminishing in diameter but I think the casing is very slick too. It would seem 14mm might be a try but I doubt if it will work. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 01 November 2018 at 07:37 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

Amel used Kevlar 10mm on the SM. It is nearly impossible to find.

Amel suggests 12mm Dyneema:
The issue was not with the strength because Dyneema line is stronger than Kevlar. The issue is that most rope manufacturers are taking fiber from the middle of the rope and 10mm isn't really 10mm anymore. I purchased some 10mm that I could squeeze with my fingers to 7mm. Look at the Anderson Line Tender. You will see that if you can squeeze 10mm to 7mm, the line will certainly slip.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nikimat. I have a question for you

Alan Grayson
 

Thanks Alex. I googled how to check the compressor. It said check continuity between all 3 three pins. I had continuity between all three. then it said you should not have continuity between any of the pins and the compressor case. Did you check this and have the same examples?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ft Lauderdale


Re: Main sheet boom slider broken

Paul Stascavage
 

Good day fellow sailors.

I didn’t pay too much attention to this topic when I read it as I didn’t think we had the problem.  However, a week or so ago, when Chuck and Kim on S/V Joy stopped by, Chuck had me take a close look and sure enough, we had some cracks in our block.  Chuck’s was in worse shape than ours.  He removed his and found a local fabricator here in Hampton, VA to make a new one.  I jumped on board and had one made for myself as well. 

Chuck instructed the fabricator to make the new one larger in the hopes that it would be stronger.  We were both happy with the finished product (see pics).

The fabricator made a bunch of extras (I think 6) if anyone is interested in obtaining one.  The cost out the door was $205.00.

The fabricator can be contacted at:

Gilliam Welding
757-727-0773
Metals at GilliamWelding dot com
www.GilliamWelding.com

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising US East Coast


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main outhaul rope

 

I agree 12mm Vectran would be better.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 4:11 PM divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Danny,


I tried all sorts and none worked until I used 12mm Vectran and that has been very successful for the past 4 years now..

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nikimat. I have a question for you

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Alan,

In my case the compressor was shorted… I swap it with he forward one, on www.nikimat.com you can see the swapping prices.

Good luck to you… Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 10/31/18, bazgrayson@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nikimat. I have a question for you
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2018, 12:25 PM


 









Hi Alex, you had a post on your
website about your aft A/C unit tripping the main GFI on the
220v panel. I am having the same issue. I didn't see on
that post if you found out what the problem actually was you
just mentioned that the unit did not work. Do you remember
what the problem
was?RegardsAlan
GraysonSV Ora Pai SM
406Ft Lauderdale


Re: Main outhaul rope

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny,

I tried all sorts and none worked until I used 12mm Vectran and that has been very successful for the past 4 years now..

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Guma - SM2000 hull 261 for sale

 

Keith,

I am really sorry to hear this.

Best of luck. Judy says hi!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:11 PM Keith Carter keithcarter88@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Guma is all set up for a trip around the world.  Sadly, I had an accident skiing in March and can no longer walk - so the round the world trip will have to be done by other means. 

My lovely boat Guma is for sale.  She’s a well looked-after SM2000 from 1999, with all the usual kit plus some extras (but nothing of which Monsieur Amel would disapprove) including solar panels on a targa frame and Webasto heating. Guma is on the hard in Kos in the Greek Peloponnese. 

Message me on keithcarter88 {at} gmail {dot} com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

 

Danny, maybe it wasn't tight enough. I know at least 10 others that have not had the problem. Did you use the outhaul to really get it tight?

I am sending you a page out of my book.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:14 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

yes I tried to get Kevlar and had to take dyneema 12mm. I fitted it very tightly but useless, as soon as the breeze came up it slipped dramatically. I agree with you about it diminishing in diameter but I think the casing is very slick too. It would seem 14mm might be a try but I doubt if it will work. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 01 November 2018 at 07:37 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

Amel used Kevlar 10mm on the SM. It is nearly impossible to find.

Amel suggests 12mm Dyneema:
The issue was not with the strength because Dyneema line is stronger than Kevlar. The issue is that most rope manufacturers are taking fiber from the middle of the rope and 10mm isn't really 10mm anymore. I purchased some 10mm that I could squeeze with my fingers to 7mm. Look at the Anderson Line Tender. You will see that if you can squeeze 10mm to 7mm, the line will certainly slip.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 

 

 


 


 


Guma - SM2000 hull 261 for sale

Keith Carter <keithcarter88@...>
 

Guma is all set up for a trip around the world.  Sadly, I had an accident skiing in March and can no longer walk - so the round the world trip will have to be done by other means. 
My lovely boat Guma is for sale.  She’s a well looked-after SM2000 from 1999, with all the usual kit plus some extras (but nothing of which Monsieur Amel would disapprove) including solar panels on a targa frame and Webasto heating. Guma is on the hard in Kos in the Greek Peloponnese. 

Message me on keithcarter88 {at} gmail {dot} com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill,

yes I tried to get Kevlar and had to take dyneema 12mm. I fitted it very tightly but useless, as soon as the breeze came up it slipped dramatically. I agree with you about it diminishing in diameter but I think the casing is very slick too. It would seem 14mm might be a try but I doubt if it will work. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 01 November 2018 at 07:37 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

Amel used Kevlar 10mm on the SM. It is nearly impossible to find.

Amel suggests 12mm Dyneema:
The issue was not with the strength because Dyneema line is stronger than Kevlar. The issue is that most rope manufacturers are taking fiber from the middle of the rope and 10mm isn't really 10mm anymore. I purchased some 10mm that I could squeeze with my fingers to 7mm. Look at the Anderson Line Tender. You will see that if you can squeeze 10mm to 7mm, the line will certainly slip.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

 

Danny,

Amel used Kevlar 10mm on the SM. It is nearly impossible to find.

Amel suggests 12mm Dyneema:
The issue was not with the strength because Dyneema line is stronger than Kevlar. The issue is that most rope manufacturers are taking fiber from the middle of the rope and 10mm isn't really 10mm anymore. I purchased some 10mm that I could squeeze with my fingers to 7mm. Look at the Anderson Line Tender. You will see that if you can squeeze 10mm to 7mm, the line will certainly slip.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


Nikimat. I have a question for you

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Alex, you had a post on your website about your aft A/C unit tripping the main GFI on the 220v panel. I am having the same issue. I didn't see on that post if you found out what the problem actually was you just mentioned that the unit did not work. Do you remember what the problem was?

Regards

Alan Grayson

SV Ora Pai SM 406

Ft Lauderdale



Main outhaul rope

Danny Simms
 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


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Navionics vs C-map?

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm looking at charts for my B&G plotter.  If anyone has some insight on either of these it would be appreciated.

I understand C-map has the Explorer Charts information, that would be a plus for the Bahamas.  


I have Navionics on my phone so I was considering buying the C-map charts and thus have them both available. 


Thanks,

Duane




Re: Electronics: complete refit of hull 248, 1999 SM

SV Perigee
 

We have SM#396 - Perigee, purchased late 2016.

The previous owner had upgraded to FURUNO TZT chartplotter (version 1, which includes a rotary dial), DRS4 radar, new Furuno AIS (50 = Tx+Rx).  And we are glad he did.

We have upgraded the A/P.  Held to Raymarine, but the latest EVO-400 series model, retaining the legacy linear drive (refer also to the last point below about staying with Raymarine).  We replaced the existing linear drive with a new unit, serviced the old, and placed that into spares.  We have only a linear drive, not a rotary drive on the wheel, so our redundancy is provided by the spare drive, another rudder sensor unit, a spare drive controller (the grey box), a spare control head complete wiring harness, and the new generation EVO 'brain' which incorporates the heading sensor.

The main issue we have with this setup is getting the radar and AIS data off the Furuno network.  Both are fed to the TZT chartplotter via an Furuno ethernet hub, and NOT then shared on to the NMEA2000 network. We can view the TZT program, including radar/AIS (as if looking at the chartplotter directly) via WiFi and dedicated app on an iPad  - it works, slowly but surely, in both control and 'view-only' modes.

However, I would prefer to be able to extract the AIS data (at a minimum) and share it via the NMEA network - for use by either iSailor (which we run as a continuous iPad-based NAV backup to the Furuno TZT chartplotter), or to OpenCPN (just starting with this), or to be available for use by other displays/devices.

One alternative I am looking at is to have a dedicated AIS that shares it's track-plots via the N2K bus.  I am looking at the Vesper XB-8000 Class B AIS Transponder with WiFi.  (If my understanding is correct, I would then get all info on the N2K bus available via WiFi.)

We replaced the legacy 5x B&G Analogue instruments at the helm with 3x Triton2 displays.  This was due to the failure of the sonic-speed - I wanted to have STW as an input to the NAV system.  If everything had continued working OK (or if I was not finicky about STW), then I would have left 'as-is', and not started down the upgrade path until something else failed. 

That said, we are happy with the result.  With the new Triton2 instruments at the helm, we like the wind and depth tapes for improved situational awareness. The standard set-up is speed info on the left display, wind on the center display, and depth on the right.  We do however have different modes, where each of the helm displays shows different info depending on whether in harbour / shallow water, departure & arrival (Coastal), no wind (motoring to WPT on A/P), and sailing offshore (deep water).  I would also like to be able to feed AIS into the Triton2 helm instruments because one of the available screens can show a plan-view-display of AIS traffic (but then I would likely want a fourth display for that - where does it stop?).

Another consideration.  With the extension of the N2K backbone for wind, depth and boat speed, and now with all data natively on the N2K bus, I wished to remove the NMEA2000<->0183 converter between the TZT chart plotter and the B&G Hydra2000 unit at the navigation station.  This is because I discovered the the converter was introducing noise that was making the HF almost unuseable.  But with the Hydra decommissioned, one loses valuable info at the NAV STN.  Sure, the information is available on the chart plotter, but then one has to power up the chart plotter to see it (which uses more power and generates more heat).  So, to replace the functionality of the Hydra, I settled on a B&G Vulcan7.  More functionality than the Triton2 displays, but with built-in GPS (redundancy), another source of basic charting information should the TZT be out of service (and it has been), wind-tapes at the nav station (great), along with a host of other info not readily available on the TZT.  But without going to the Hydra5000 (because the Vulcan range, with the exception of the no-longer-available V5, has pretty much the same functionality as the new Hydras, that is, IF you have a dedicated chart plotter such as the Furuno TZT).

Another thing to think about when designing your new N2K system, is how the N2K network is powered.  Mine is powered by the Furuno TZT Chart Plotter.  The TZT does not need to be powered on, but the Circuit Breaker for the NAV station does need to be on.  Meaning that, all the power supplies for any equipment powered by the NAV station 24V bus are also powered up.  Equals power consumption and heat at the nav station.  Meaning also, that the whole N2K bus is powered up, including the displays at the helm. I am still contemplating the next change, which would be to install a switch panel for the independent 24-to-12V converters powered by the 24V bus.  And then split the N2K bus into two (from an electrical supply perspective, but retaining the common data bus).  Firstly to have a power source for the _sensors to nav-station side_ (and this would also be powered independently of the TZT display, allowing the removal of the TZT without having to wire in a separate power supply for the N2K bus).  And a second power supply for the _nav-station to helm_ side of the N2K network.  I would also take the VHF off the general bus, and place it on it’s own breaker (perhaps onto the HF breaker), so that I do not need to power up the whole NAV Station for when I just want the VHF on.

Speaking of VHF, I replaced the VHF with an ICOM IC-424G, which has built-in GPS (yet even more redundancy).  But have not yet wired in the extension command mic to the helm.

Still deciding on the panel layout for the NAV STN, for when I finally get around to removing the original Furuno GP-80 GPS Navigator, and the now superceded Hydra2000 display.

Last consideration.  If you think you might ever wish to control your autopilot from downstairs at the nav station, or using your helm displays, well, with B&G instruments and Raymarine A/P, this is not possible.  Sure, the Furuno TZT chart plotter (and B&G Vulcan7) can output course information that the A/P uses for it’s track functions, and the TZT and V7 can see rudder-position (and other) information coming from the Raymarine A/P.  But to directly control the A/P in heading or wind mode, or to change modes (heading versus wind-vane versus track mode) and so on, this is not possible.  It might be a rare case when you might want to do this - bad weather, short-handed, or failure of the A/P control head at the helm.  But something to think about.  I did not research this closely enough.  If I had been aware of this limitation, then I might have changed to a B&G autopilot (retaining the Raymarine linear drive), in preference to staying with Raymarine for the upgrade.  This would have allowed me to control the autopilot from the V7 downstairs.  The cost of the A/P upgrade would have been about the same.

Hope this provides food for thought, in addition to my prior posting on the forum about electronic upgrades.

David
Perigee, SM#396,
Bonaire

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