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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Amelia be,

The bow thruster worked very well.  Thanks to all of you. My boat is now in the marina of the Real Club de Regattas in Cartagena.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 16:59 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" :
 

Willem,

Good luck to you.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:21 AM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks you all for the information. In about two hours my boat will swim again and we will see if the bow thruster works again. Anyway I have now a little more confidence knowing that it is normal to move the prop connected to the motor without power by hand.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 05:44 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Yes,

It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

greatketch@...
 

Exactly true.  

New England Ropes alone makes at least a dozen different ropes that contain Dyneema.  Some of them are so slippery then don't even work on winches, others are covered with polyester, or have blended fibers, and will work well in friction critical applications.

"Dyneema" is just the brand name for a particular brand of polyethylene fiber.  "Spectra," "Vectran," "Technora," "Zylon," and "Kevlar" (among others) are brand names for different chemistries of very high strength, low stretch fibers.  Not all of them are as slippery as others, and not all of them are usable, uncovered, in full time exposure to sunlight.  Kevlar, for example is not UV stable and must be covered if in the sun. Dyneema and Spectra are UV stable, but in raw form are extremely slippery.  To be useful on a winch they must either have a cover, or have other fibers blended into the yarn to increase the coefficient of friction.  

Just to make things even more complex, some high tech line sun covers are really JUST sun covers, and will slide along the core if put under load on a winch or in a clutch.  This is more of a problem with the polyethylene fibers (Dyneema and Spectra) than the fibers like Kevlar and Vectran. 

On the Amel main outhaul line, and on the main traveller control line, the type of construction of the line, and the material the surface is made of are more important to performance than the exact chemistry of the core fiber.

When shopping for a high-tech line always look for one that is specifically recommended by the manufacturer for use in clutches and winches. A hint: the phrase, "abrasion resistant" is marketing-speak for "very slippery." 

Some of these high tech fibers also suffer long term damage when making tight turns around the small sheaves used in our systems. Looking for those lines that are recommended for this is also a good idea.
  
Just looking in New England Rope's listings, "Poly Tec" or "Endura Braid" is a good choice in Dyneema core, and V100 in Vectran. Other manufacturers will have their own names and brands for lines of similar performance.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Norfolk, VA, USA
Following the cold front offshore--and south--tomorrow!


---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

Danny,
Today, I learned that Dyneema rope is made with a Dyneema braid outer sheath and also with a Dyneema core and a Polyester braid outer sheath. This is probably the reason for the mixed results from owners using Dyneema. 

I had the outhaul line very tight 12+ years and never overhauled the outhaul gearbox. I did have a new spare waiting for a failure and maybe that is the reason it never failed...either that, or the famous Danny Simms grease access to the gearbox!😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





Re: Main outhaul rope

sharona246@...
 

Hi All

Here is the way AMEL advice to tight the rope:
To be able to stretch the line, furl the sail rather tight inside the mast and use the outhaul motor several time.

I changed this rope (delivered from AMEL) a few years ago and it works perfect until today.

Lior
AMEL 54, SHARONA



Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Thomas Peacock
 

We have just replaced our original bilge pump with the Johnson 32 also. Plumbing (my least favorite job on the boat) was challenging. Not sure where you are (US, EU, etc), which makes a difference in terms of availability of various fittings. Our local, quite small, West Marine in Maryland, USA, carried Marine East part # 1867548, 1/14” to 1 1/2” reducer. Even that was challenging, still a big leak in one spot where metric met US size, which I fixed by wrapping the male end with several go rounds of Rig Wrap sail tape which worked like a charm.

Be careful, the manual states that if you mount the pump vertically (as was the old pump), you must have it oriented in a certain position, can’t remember which, but again, the manual is clear. That makes running the hoses more challenging with lots of bends and angles. 

So far, works like a charm, very powerful.

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM 240, Rock Hall, Maryland, heading for St Augustine Florida


Contact with Amel

ahmet kipcak
 

Hello,
I tried contacting Amel via their email adress “ amel.med@...” to supply some spare parts for my boat, but it has been over a week and still there has been no response on their part. I recently purchased my boat on March 2018, this was my first mail to Amel, is there a procedure that I am not aware of to get in contact with Amel.
Thankyou for taking the time
Sincerely
Ahmet Kipcak


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main outhaul rope

 

Danny,
Today, I learned that Dyneema rope is made with a Dyneema braid outer sheath and also with a Dyneema core and a Polyester braid outer sheath. This is probably the reason for the mixed results from owners using Dyneema. 

I had the outhaul line very tight 12+ years and never overhauled the outhaul gearbox. I did have a new spare waiting for a failure and maybe that is the reason it never failed...either that, or the famous Danny Simms grease access to the gearbox!😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:52 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I was on the boat yesterday and tried tightening to line. While it had been pretty tight before I did manage to get a bit more out of it. It is tighter now than I think would be good for bearings. I will try it next time I go out and see if it still slips.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 02 November 2018 at 01:57 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks for that. I guess some Dyneema rope is slipperier than other. I will start recommending Vectran.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 19:28 Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill, yes bar tight. And I couldn't believe how fast and far it slipped in 18 knots of wind Thanks for the page
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean pearl

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 09:23, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Danny, maybe it wasn't tight enough. I know at least 10 others that have not had the problem. Did you use the outhaul to really get it tight?

I am sending you a page out of my book.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:14 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi Bill,

yes I tried to get Kevlar and had to take dyneema 12mm. I fitted it very tightly but useless, as soon as the breeze came up it slipped dramatically. I agree with you about it diminishing in diameter but I think the casing is very slick too. It would seem 14mm might be a try but I doubt if it will work. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 01 November 2018 at 07:37 "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

Amel used Kevlar 10mm on the SM. It is nearly impossible to find.

Amel suggests 12mm Dyneema:
The issue was not with the strength because Dyneema line is stronger than Kevlar. The issue is that most rope manufacturers are taking fiber from the middle of the rope and 10mm isn't really 10mm anymore. I purchased some 10mm that I could squeeze with my fingers to 7mm. Look at the Anderson Line Tender. You will see that if you can squeeze 10mm to 7mm, the line will certainly slip.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi All,
A little while ago a number of you posted on replacing the control line for the mainsail out haul. I remember dyneema was not successful. Can some one remind me of what type was the best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 

 

 

 


 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

 

Willem,

Good luck to you.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:21 AM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks you all for the information. In about two hours my boat will swim again and we will see if the bow thruster works again. Anyway I have now a little more confidence knowing that it is normal to move the prop connected to the motor without power by hand.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 05:44 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Yes,

It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

Willem Kroes
 

Thanks you all for the information. In about two hours my boat will swim again and we will see if the bow thruster works again. Anyway I have now a little more confidence knowing that it is normal to move the prop connected to the motor without power by hand.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 05:44 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" :
 

Yes,

It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Duane,

I just bought a 1.5” to 1.25” reducer at West Marine. If it’s not at your local store, check the catalog. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:00 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Duane,


That's exactly what I did...I used a 38mm to 32mm reducer as per :


They should be available somewhere near you.....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

http://www.usplastic.com/mobile/catalog/item.aspx?sku=24136

Reducer couplings are fairly straightforward but can be challenging to find when you need one. 

I mounted my Viking beside (tankside of) my Amfa and intend to put it on a switchable y and connected to the the 1-1/2 supply outflow line of my MK5 manual pump. The Viking is only there as a backup to the Amfa at this point and has spade ends on the wires so I can swap power quickly. 

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Hampton, VA


On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:26 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If you replaced AMFA Bilge Pump with a Johnson Viking Power 32, how did you connect the 1.5" hose connections to the 30mm hose on the Amel SM?  


It would seem easy enough to replace the 30mm hose with 1.5" diameter, but where the outlet hooks up to the main line going overboard, there is a fitting with a total of three lines coming in and one going out.  I wouldn't want to replace that...

I checked with the manufacturer, the hose barbs are molded into the pump body and cannot be replaced.  So it seems the best thing to do would be to:

1. replace the 30mm hose that goes into the sump with 1.5" diameter hose with a new check valve at the bottom.

2. find a 1.5" diameter to 1.25" diameter hose barb adapter to connect the outlet to the old hose.  I have not been successful in finding one of these.  If this is what you did can you t ell me where to look for one?

Thanks for your help,
Duane





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] open CPN

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny,

You need a program called GE2KAP...it's freeware...just google it to get the latest version....works with Google Earth to make geo-referenced pictures that can be used in OpenCPN...we have used it extensively and found it invaluable in the S Paciifc, where as you know charts can often be out...and a bit vague...

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] open CPN

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Kent,

We have found C-Map to be the most reliable in the S Pacific.

Navionics is excellent in some places and dreadful in others (eg in Western Fiji reefs are misplaced, not even shown and shown where there are none).
We have C-Map in the Furuno Navnet, and Navionics in a B&G Vulcan7 (which was installed primarily for the fwd scan) in the cockpit. C-Map in the Furuno Navnet and OpenCPN with GE2KAP satellite charts and MaxSea TZ on the laptop at the nav station, with a wireless connection to a tablet repeater in the cockpit.

We have found the GET2KAP satellite pictures in OpenCPN to be VERY useful when trying to determine the location and dimensions of reefs...that with C-Map is a very good combination in our view....and of course the essential Mk1 eyeball!

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Duane,

That's exactly what I did...I used a 38mm to 32mm reducer as per :


They should be available somewhere near you.....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] open CPN

karkauai
 

Danny,
Did you ever find the Google Earth/OpenCaptain program you were looking for?
Does anyone have recommendations for best charting options in the S Pac?
I have been using Navionics charts on my new (1year old) B&G Zeus chart plotters for the US and Caribbean, but someone recommended C-Map for the S Pac.

What about useful cruising guides for the SPac?

Thanks again for any/all advice.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 2, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Graham Johnston grahamjohnston42@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi Danny,
I remembered that a year or two ago I had used Google  translate on a French Forum where there was talk of OpenCPN with Google Earth. The translation is nonsense but the link takes you to a host of zipped .kap files of Europe.


If you look down the opage then there are links to all sorts of programmes.
Perhaps there is more info there for you particularly if you speak French.

If you suceed please let us all know!

Regards
Graham


From: "Yvonne simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014, 10:45
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] open CPN

 
Thanks Graham, this looks promising. The Fiji Google charts I have are accessed from the chart bars at the bottom of the screen. once accessed they are not an overlay, rather they stand alone giving a birds eye view photographic image onto which the boats position is shown via a GPS for  the lap top. as you may imagine this is vey useful. I spoke to one user who said in corall areas he picked sand spots to drop his anchor on.
Thanks for the link
Danny
SM299
Ocean Pearl


On 2/06/2014, at 7:37 pm, "Graham Johnston grahamjohnston42@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny,
This may be whaty you are looking for it allows overlaying of Google images on OpenCPN. I have yet to try but it was demonstrated to me by a Frenchman last year and it looked really useful.

Instructions for use.

Download link.
GE2KAP.V11.0.0.0 - New March. 19, 2014 Creates charts from GE and chart images. Can overlay opencpn chart and chart images. Fixes multi polygon problem.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr


From: "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amel owners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014, 11:29
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] open CPN

 
Hi all,
last year a friendly cruiser gave us the open CPN chart system for our lap top. They included the Google feature but just for the Fiji area. It gives photographic images showing reefs etc. Combined with a gps aerial it is the ultimate for navigating around coral reefs and difficult entrances. Problem being we have lost touch with them and would like to download the Google feature for other areas. Can anyone advise how this can be accessed.
  Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

 

Yes,

It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sheet boom slider broken [2 Attachments]

Alan Leslie
 

We did away with that sliding block and had a solid aluminium weldment made and welded to the boom. Attached the upper main sheet block to it with dyneema...that's been going for 2 years now....AND I disabled the electric winch for the main sheet so we wind it by hand, prevents too much load being placed on the boom.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main outhaul rope

Paul Osterberg
 

Danny
We bought a 12 mm Vectran line with a cover claimed to be high friction to avoid the slip, still it happens that it slip but very seldom now. If I would buy again I would try 12 mm Dyneema core, the creep and elongation would be very low.  A problem with to tight might be wear and tear on the bearings.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM259, in Hampton Virginia waiting for a weather window for Antigua
 


2002 Super Maramu for sale

James Studdart
 

Hello all,
 Our 2002 Amel Super Maramu 2000 is for sale. SeaBean has safely and comfortably carried us half way around the world but it’s time for us to settle down for a bit and let our kids go to school.

She’s in fantastic shape and has been very well looked after with recent sails, rigging, 150lph water maker, dingy etc.

We still have many more photos to take, especially of the exterior, but please feel free to check her out here:

Specs and contact details are in the link.

Cheers,
 James Studdart
 SeaBean, SM344
 Departing Fiji for NZ


Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Duane Siegfri
 

If you replaced AMFA Bilge Pump with a Johnson Viking Power 32, how did you connect the 1.5" hose connections to the 30mm hose on the Amel SM?  

It would seem easy enough to replace the 30mm hose with 1.5" diameter, but where the outlet hooks up to the main line going overboard, there is a fitting with a total of three lines coming in and one going out.  I wouldn't want to replace that...

I checked with the manufacturer, the hose barbs are molded into the pump body and cannot be replaced.  So it seems the best thing to do would be to:

1. replace the 30mm hose that goes into the sump with 1.5" diameter hose with a new check valve at the bottom.

2. find a 1.5" diameter to 1.25" diameter hose barb adapter to connect the outlet to the old hose.  I have not been successful in finding one of these.  If this is what you did can you tell me where to look for one?

Thanks for your help,
Duane





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

 

There are 2 pins that must be installed to keep the gear from turning on the propeller axel. 

I am traveling today. I will try to upload a drawing later today. 

Alex on Nikimat had exactly this issue when he rebuilt the lower unit. I think the gear is shipped from Amel without the holes for the pins in the gear wheel. 

More later when I get home.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 12:34 Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96