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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolation transformer

 

That is a really good question. I am not sure, but in places like Malaysia and others, you will find shore power at 260VAC 50htz. My experience is that around the world 50htz power will normally vary from 220 to 260. Of course, I also saw voltages as low as 180 in Greece.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:12 AM bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All, i am just installing a Victron Isolation transformer. My input voltage from the pedestal is 245V and my output voltage from the transformer 259.5Volts 60hz.

Is this ok to run thru the boat? It seems a lot high in fact getting 240v from the pedestal surprised me.

Regards

Alan Grayson

SV Ora Pai  SM 406

Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm station light

Craig Briggs
 

Mark,
My pleasure - it was just a stab in the dark but I'm  glad it worked! 
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mark_pitt@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

  In the end, I took your suggestion.  There was just a small nub of wire available and it was impossible to pull the cable to make more wire available.  However, I was still able to connect a new wire to the nub of unused wire protruding from the cable, and now my helm lights works again.  Thanks.

  Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, SM #419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands


On 10/29/2018 8:56 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark,
Do either of the two cut off wires have 0 resistance, such that you could use that for the negative?
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mark_pitt@...> wrote :

The dome light at the helm station of Sabbatical III no longer works.  My multi-meter shows only 18 volts and there is substantial resistance on the positive (blue) wire but none on the negative (black) wire.  So I need to pull a new wire.  The existing (original) wire is a grey, round cable containing four wires, two of which are cut off at each end.  It is easy to find in the ceiling space revealed by the sliding ceiling panel just forward of the autopilot locker in the galley.  It disappears by itself into a hole and then apparently comes up in the center section of the hard dodger.  There seems to be a rubber gland where this part of the dodger sits on the deck.  I guess that the electrical cable goes through that gland.


My question is:  Do I have to remove the dodger in order to replace this electrical cable? I have pulled on this cable with only moderate force and it did not budge.  I wish to avoid removing the dodger at this point in time.  Has any one replaced this cable?  Thanks.


   Mark Pitt

   Sabbatical III, SM#419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands




Isolation transformer

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, i am just installing a Victron Isolation transformer. My input voltage from the pedestal is 245V and my output voltage from the transformer 259.5Volts 60hz.

Is this ok to run thru the boat? It seems a lot high in fact getting 240v from the pedestal surprised me.

Regards

Alan Grayson

SV Ora Pai  SM 406

Ft Lauderdale


Re: Marinas / harbours in Hawaii

Herbert Lackner
 

Thx Brent and Steve.  I watched the videos and will meet Steve in Hawaii :-)

herbert


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Helm station light

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Craig,

  In the end, I took your suggestion.  There was just a small nub of wire available and it was impossible to pull the cable to make more wire available.  However, I was still able to connect a new wire to the nub of unused wire protruding from the cable, and now my helm lights works again.  Thanks.

  Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, SM #419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands


On 10/29/2018 8:56 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark,
Do either of the two cut off wires have 0 resistance, such that you could use that for the negative?
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

The dome light at the helm station of Sabbatical III no longer works.  My multi-meter shows only 18 volts and there is substantial resistance on the positive (blue) wire but none on the negative (black) wire.  So I need to pull a new wire.  The existing (original) wire is a grey, round cable containing four wires, two of which are cut off at each end.  It is easy to find in the ceiling space revealed by the sliding ceiling panel just forward of the autopilot locker in the galley.  It disappears by itself into a hole and then apparently comes up in the center section of the hard dodger.  There seems to be a rubber gland where this part of the dodger sits on the deck.  I guess that the electrical cable goes through that gland.


My question is:  Do I have to remove the dodger in order to replace this electrical cable? I have pulled on this cable with only moderate force and it did not budge.  I wish to avoid removing the dodger at this point in time.  Has any one replaced this cable?  Thanks.


   Mark Pitt

   Sabbatical III, SM#419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Sv Garulfo
 

Hey Duane,

I’m not sure what the best preventive maintenance would be. 

But to dismantle the gearbox, i would advise to remove it whole from the back of the mizzen mast. That’s a matter of removing the furler tube from the gearbox (2x size 13mm bolts), suspending the furler through the hole. 
Then undo the 2 13mm bolts to detach the gearbox from the mast. 

Then from there you can unscrew the horizontal element and have a look inside the gearbox. The horizontal element is in two parts with an hex bolt. If you detach the 2 parts, you should be able to then slide the gear shaft out of the outer tube and check for smoothness. 

The gearbox bottom is screwed on but it looks like it takes a special tool with 2 pins to unscrew it (or a large band wrench). It would be useful to further clean the box and replace the grease but that can also be done through the opening of the horizontal element. 


Hope that helps. We uploaded the gearbox diagram. 

Cheers 

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba 


On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 09:36, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What would be the preventive maintenance procedure for this gearbox?  


From what I understood of this chain:
1) remove the black ring
2) unscrew the outer casing of the horizontal shaft from the vertical gearbox
3) remove the horizontal shaft from the outer casing by pulling forward
4) clean both , removing surface rust and polish
5) lubricate and reinstall

Is it that simple if it is functioning normally?  

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

I wonder if the addition of a grease nipple to this ala furler drive gearboxes would be an option. For the main also. Just need to know where to drill into a void. I,m referring to the gearbox, not the input shaft. 
Regards

Danny

SM 299 

Ocean Pearl 

On 05 November 2018 at 02:24 "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

What would be the preventive maintenance procedure for this gearbox?  


From what I understood of this chain:
1) remove the black ring
2) unscrew the outer casing of the horizontal shaft from the vertical gearbox
3) remove the horizontal shaft from the outer casing by pulling forward
4) clean both , removing surface rust and polish
5) lubricate and reinstall

Is it that simple if it is functioning normally?  

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas / harbours in Hawaii

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Tadeja and Herbert,

We sailed from Panama to Hawaii in January 2018, and are currently in Hawaii until next year. Why don’t you email me at flyboyscd at gmail dot com, and we can talk about your options. Also, my wife and I are currently the Port Officers for Hawaii with OCC. If you are members, take a look at the Port Officer site, and I have a little background info there. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

On Nov 4, 2018, at 05:02, herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

on our way from Panama to Alaska (starting beginning of 2019) we want to stop for ~ 2-3 months in Hawaii (March- May). Has anyone some recommendations where to stay with the boat? Is it necessary to reserve a berth? any experience, contact, info?

all infos are very welcome

thx, Tadeja and Herbert
SN 120 KALI MERA, still on the hard in Shelter Bay







Re: Marinas / harbours in Hawaii

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Kelly Ran
 

When we opened our failed gearbox assembly...the bevel gears were really worn down. Any metal dust from gear grinding would contribute to seizing the horizontal bushing (that got stuck for us). I'd recommend ensuring that you are head to wind when you furl, as much as you can, to decrease loads on the gear teeth. 

Maybe also ensure that the seal between the foil attachment and the upper part of the gearbox is intact and that water ingress is prevented. Our old seal was completely shot. 

Cheers
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Bermuda 


On Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 10:51 Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'm wary of step 2.  I'm afraid if I unscrew the tube, I won't get it back in correctly.  It appears the only thing that prevents it from unscrewing during normal furling operation is the extra friction it requires to unscrew vs spin the inner shaft.  That must mean it's on there really tightly.  Also, I think the alignment of the locking pin vs the furler extrusion is probably set by their relative positions when you screw the tube in, and it would require trial and error to get that right.

They seem to last about 20 years with minimal maintenance (really just a fresh water rinse), which isn't a bad lifetime for such a mechanism.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
St George's, Bermuda


On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:36 AM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What would be the preventive maintenance procedure for this gearbox?  


From what I understood of this chain:
1) remove the black ring
2) unscrew the outer casing of the horizontal shaft from the vertical gearbox
3) remove the horizontal shaft from the outer casing by pulling forward
4) clean both , removing surface rust and polish
5) lubricate and reinstall

Is it that simple if it is functioning normally?  

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Marinas / harbours in Hawaii

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi all,

on our way from Panama to Alaska (starting beginning of 2019) we want to stop for ~ 2-3 months in Hawaii (March- May). Has anyone some recommendations where to stay with the boat? Is it necessary to reserve a berth? any experience, contact, info?

all infos are very welcome

thx, Tadeja and Herbert
SN 120 KALI MERA, still on the hard in Shelter Bay







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Ryan Meador
 

I'm wary of step 2.  I'm afraid if I unscrew the tube, I won't get it back in correctly.  It appears the only thing that prevents it from unscrewing during normal furling operation is the extra friction it requires to unscrew vs spin the inner shaft.  That must mean it's on there really tightly.  Also, I think the alignment of the locking pin vs the furler extrusion is probably set by their relative positions when you screw the tube in, and it would require trial and error to get that right.

They seem to last about 20 years with minimal maintenance (really just a fresh water rinse), which isn't a bad lifetime for such a mechanism.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
St George's, Bermuda


On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:36 AM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What would be the preventive maintenance procedure for this gearbox?  


From what I understood of this chain:
1) remove the black ring
2) unscrew the outer casing of the horizontal shaft from the vertical gearbox
3) remove the horizontal shaft from the outer casing by pulling forward
4) clean both , removing surface rust and polish
5) lubricate and reinstall

Is it that simple if it is functioning normally?  

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: mizzen furler failure

Duane Siegfri
 

What would be the preventive maintenance procedure for this gearbox?  

From what I understood of this chain:
1) remove the black ring
2) unscrew the outer casing of the horizontal shaft from the vertical gearbox
3) remove the horizontal shaft from the outer casing by pulling forward
4) clean both , removing surface rust and polish
5) lubricate and reinstall

Is it that simple if it is functioning normally?  

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: mizzen furler failure

Duane Siegfri
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Ryan Meador
 

I believe our new gearbox from Amel was packed with grease. Grease could be seen inside the mounting screw holes on each side, and it was heavier than the old one, as if it was full of something.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
St George's, Bermuda

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 5:09 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for your confirmation Bill.
Is the gearbox meant to be packed full of grease?

thanks
Thomas
GARULFO A54-122
Aruba

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 15:49, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thomas,

It sounds to me like the best way to repair this issue is to clean and lubricate with the help of a local machine shop. Am I correct?

BTW, I think MCLUBE SailKote Dry Lubricant might be perfect because most other lubricants will remain wet and will attract dust and dirt.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

An update :

A local machine shop press the shaft out for us.

Initially they thought they might need to cut and thread a metal plate to match the outer tube thread and provide a holding plate but then they simply grabbed it in a turning machine and pushed the shaft out slowly. 

In the picture you’ll see there isn’t a huge amount of corrosion but enough to block the rotation against the plastic bushing. 

Now I’ll sand it clean, and remount every thing. 

I’m thinking mcLube sailkote dry lube for lubrification of the shaft/bushing interface. Any other advice ?


Thanks

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba




On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 16:37, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Thanks Kelly and Ryan,

We are at the same point of disassembly. So far, soft cleaning of the accessible interface between the plastic sleeve and the metal parts yielded no results; still stuck. 

There is very little way to hold the outer metal tube in place.... And, should I try to get the inner tube pressed out, it’s going to be tricky to hold the outer tube as the flange is tiny. 

I’m really keen to hear what trick Derick’s rigger used to solve the issue.


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba


On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:48, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox.....  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part.. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Sv Garulfo
 

Thanks for your confirmation Bill.
Is the gearbox meant to be packed full of grease?

thanks
Thomas
GARULFO A54-122
Aruba

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 15:49, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thomas,

It sounds to me like the best way to repair this issue is to clean and lubricate with the help of a local machine shop. Am I correct?

BTW, I think MCLUBE SailKote Dry Lubricant might be perfect because most other lubricants will remain wet and will attract dust and dirt.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

An update :

A local machine shop press the shaft out for us.

Initially they thought they might need to cut and thread a metal plate to match the outer tube thread and provide a holding plate but then they simply grabbed it in a turning machine and pushed the shaft out slowly. 

In the picture you’ll see there isn’t a huge amount of corrosion but enough to block the rotation against the plastic bushing. 

Now I’ll sand it clean, and remount every thing. 

I’m thinking mcLube sailkote dry lube for lubrification of the shaft/bushing interface. Any other advice ?


Thanks

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba




On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 16:37, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Thanks Kelly and Ryan,

We are at the same point of disassembly. So far, soft cleaning of the accessible interface between the plastic sleeve and the metal parts yielded no results; still stuck. 

There is very little way to hold the outer metal tube in place... And, should I try to get the inner tube pressed out, it’s going to be tricky to hold the outer tube as the flange is tiny. 

I’m really keen to hear what trick Derick’s rigger used to solve the issue.


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba


On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:48, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox....  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part.. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure [2 Attachments]

 

Thomas,

It sounds to me like the best way to repair this issue is to clean and lubricate with the help of a local machine shop. Am I correct?

BTW, I think MCLUBE SailKote Dry Lubricant might be perfect because most other lubricants will remain wet and will attract dust and dirt.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

An update :

A local machine shop press the shaft out for us.

Initially they thought they might need to cut and thread a metal plate to match the outer tube thread and provide a holding plate but then they simply grabbed it in a turning machine and pushed the shaft out slowly. 

In the picture you’ll see there isn’t a huge amount of corrosion but enough to block the rotation against the plastic bushing. 

Now I’ll sand it clean, and remount every thing. 

I’m thinking mcLube sailkote dry lube for lubrification of the shaft/bushing interface. Any other advice ?


Thanks

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba




On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 16:37, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Thanks Kelly and Ryan,

We are at the same point of disassembly. So far, soft cleaning of the accessible interface between the plastic sleeve and the metal parts yielded no results; still stuck. 

There is very little way to hold the outer metal tube in place.. And, should I try to get the inner tube pressed out, it’s going to be tricky to hold the outer tube as the flange is tiny. 

I’m really keen to hear what trick Derick’s rigger used to solve the issue.


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba


On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:48, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox...  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part.. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Sv Garulfo
 

An update :

A local machine shop press the shaft out for us.

Initially they thought they might need to cut and thread a metal plate to match the outer tube thread and provide a holding plate but then they simply grabbed it in a turning machine and pushed the shaft out slowly. 

In the picture you’ll see there isn’t a huge amount of corrosion but enough to block the rotation against the plastic bushing. 

Now I’ll sand it clean, and remount every thing. 

I’m thinking mcLube sailkote dry lube for lubrification of the shaft/bushing interface. Any other advice ?


Thanks

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba




On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 16:37, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Thanks Kelly and Ryan,

We are at the same point of disassembly. So far, soft cleaning of the accessible interface between the plastic sleeve and the metal parts yielded no results; still stuck. 

There is very little way to hold the outer metal tube in place. And, should I try to get the inner tube pressed out, it’s going to be tricky to hold the outer tube as the flange is tiny. 

I’m really keen to hear what trick Derick’s rigger used to solve the issue.


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Aruba


On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 10:48, Kelly Ran naryllek@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,

We were not able to free the inner tube and outer sleeve. I do not think the bushing should rigidly couple to either part. In any case, the inner tube should turn pretty easily inside the sleeve.

The most dissasembly we could do was unthread the horizontal part all the way and remove the forward part of the inner tube. The inner tube is 2 parts, and the forward section is bolted on.

If you detach the foil, you can screw on the horizontal part again ... the bevel gears will start meshing as you engage more threads, but you won't really be driving anything (as the foil is not attached). You will need to take care that the "pinned" position corresponds to the foil position that you want.

FWIW the new furler gearbox that we received from Amel is buttersmooth and infinitely easier to use than our original seized gearbox..  I fear that only my left arm will get a workout (outhaul), as the right arm (furling) does not need much effort anymore.  (The new part also has a seal that seems to have completely disintegrated on the old part. Which makes me think that if you dissasemble and grease the part, it will still need a seal. This is a red annular seal that goes around the base of the foil attachment part as it exits the gearbox. (There is also a neoprene-ish washer inside the foil attachment part to dampen the foil's axial motion?))

Keep us updated on your progress; we will want to refurbish our old gearbox when we have more time. Thanks and good luck,
kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Newport

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Derick, Ryan and Kelly, 

We have the same situation with our mizzen gearbox. The horizontal tube is seized; the outer sleeve, the nylon bushing and the inner tube coupling the gears to the winch handle female bit are all solidly stuck together. 
Is there any advice on how to make them work freely again? Is the nylon bushing meant to be solidly coupled to either the outer sleeve or the inner tube?

Also, as a result of that seizure, I think the thread between the horizontal elements and the gearbox appears to have slipped. Any idea if that could be remediated in any way?

Thanks


Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Aruba

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 19:18, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, Derick.  That's great info, and matches the diagram I received from Amel (which I intend to upload to the files section when I get a chance).  Do you have any idea how the rigger separated the pieces of the tube?  Also, did you simply screw it back in, and it turns freely enough that it doesn't unscrew itself again?


Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:37 PM derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,

I had the same problem on Brava. The piece in your picture had frozen up, and I needed to take it to a rigger. The rigger was able to remove the inner tube from the outer tube, and clean and regrease it so that then it turned freely. If you then disengage the gearbox from the mizzen foil, you can remove it and see how the piece you have pictured screws into the gearbox. There are only a few threads between the two pieces. While you have the gearbox out, you can grease it too.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard in Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Contact with Amel [1 Attachment]

ahmet kipcak
 

Hi, Bill
Thanks for you help.

Ahmet KİPCAK




Bill Rouse @billrouse [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> şunları yazdı (2 Kas 2018 22:27):



contact sav@...<mailto:sav@...> and follow the attached.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy<https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/texas-navy.html>
Commander Emeritus
Amel School<http://www.amelschool.com/> http://www.amelschool.com<http://www.amelschool.com/>
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My Calendar<https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html>
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:33 AM ahmet kipcak @Akipcak<mailto:ahmetkipcak@hotmail..com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Hello,
I tried contacting Amel via their email adress “ amel.med@...<mailto:amel.med@...>” to supply some spare parts for my boat, but it has been over a week and still there has been no response on their part. I recently purchased my boat on March 2018, this was my first mail to Amel, is there a procedure that I am not aware of to get in contact with Amel.
Thankyou for taking the time
Sincerely
Ahmet Kipcak



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore

 

Great!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:09 PM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Amelia be,

The bow thruster worked very well.  Thanks to all of you. My boat is now in the marina of the Real Club de Regattas in Cartagena.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 16:59 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Willem,

Good luck to you.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:21 AM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks you all for the information. In about two hours my boat will swim again and we will see if the bow thruster works again. Anyway I have now a little more confidence knowing that it is normal to move the prop connected to the motor without power by hand.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM #351 KAVANGA

Op 2 nov. 2018 05:44 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Yes,

It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawaii

On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96