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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor

Thomas Peacock
 

Thanks as always for insights.
Yes, Bill, I have Mastervolt, not Voltmaster. The Xantrex looks awfully similar, different name for same product?
I don’t want to disconnect my batteries, nor do I want to throw the battery breakers. The bilge pump won’t run then.
Maybe 0.1 is all i can get. The Mastervolt draws only 7 milleamps.

Still unresolved electrical properties of the fuel gauge. It does not work when the battery breakers are thrown. However, I cannot find an appropriate breaker to disengage it. I do not see a fused line that might be the power either. I find that a little disconcerting. Would appreciate any thoughts on that.

Thanks,
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor

Mark Erdos
 

Tom,

 

Why don’t you disconnect the battery cables from the batteries if you are trying to isolate them from any drain? I am assuming this is what you are trying to accomplish.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor

 

 

We are leaving St Augustine for a month, and I am trying to get my electric usage to near zero. I could only get it down to 0.2 amps (as measured by the Voltmaster/Batman). All breakers are off (at least the ones I am aware of). I have taken the “permanent” Sailor 24>12 volt transformer out entirely, fuse removed. I then noticed that the fuel gauge still works. I could not trace the wires. There seems to be 19 volts at the gauge, but one of the hot wires comes into a resistor. If I disconnect the feed, the boat power usage does go down to 0.1 alternating with 0.2.
Two questions:
Any idea where the fuel gauge gets its power from?
Any idea how to get the amps down to zero?
Thanks as always to all in this group.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Isn't the 0.2 amps from the Link 10 (or equivalent)?
You could switch off the 2 red battery switch going to the house batteries.

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Tue, 11/13/18, peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:14 AM


 









We are leaving St Augustine for a month, and I am
trying to get my electric usage to near zero. I could only
get it down to 0.2 amps (as measured by the
Voltmaster/Batman). All breakers are off (at least the ones
I am aware of). I have taken the “permanent” Sailor
24>12 volt transformer out entirely, fuse removed. I then
noticed that the fuel gauge still works. I could not trace
the wires. There seems to be 19 volts at the gauge, but one
of the hot wires comes into a resistor. If I disconnect the
feed, the boat power usage does go down to 0.1 alternating
with 0.2.

Two questions:

Any idea where the fuel gauge gets its power from?

Any idea how to get the amps down to zero?

Thanks as always to all in this group.



Tom Peacock

Aletes SM 240

St Augustine Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Power draw at anchor

 

Tom,

I don't think you have a "Voltmaster/Batman," rather you may have a Mastervolt Battman😁. Your boat originally came with a Xantrex Link 10.

I think you can get it to read amps alternating between zero and 0.1. As you know the battery monitor will use a minute amount. Also, it is possible that your monitor is not totally accurate. And, remember the shunt on your monitor is not totally accurate to zero. It will have a small resolution. I don't know about the Battman, but the OEM SM Xantrex Link 10 has a 0.1 amp resolution. 

So, if you are using the battery monitor to determine the point that you have zero amps, you're probably using the wrong thing. In fact, with the permanent OFF and a monitor reading between 0 and 0.2, you are probably there.

I hope this helps you. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 11:57 peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

We are leaving St Augustine for a month, and I am trying to get my electric usage to near zero. I could only get it down to 0.2 amps (as measured by the Voltmaster/Batman). All breakers are off (at least the ones I am aware of). I have taken the “permanent” Sailor 24>12 volt transformer out entirely, fuse removed. I then noticed that the fuel gauge still works. I could not trace the wires. There seems to be 19 volts at the gauge, but one of the hot wires comes into a resistor. If I disconnect the feed, the boat power usage does go down to 0.1 alternating with 0.2.
Two questions:
Any idea where the fuel gauge gets its power from?
Any idea how to get the amps down to zero?
Thanks as always to all in this group.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine Florida

Power draw at anchor

Thomas Peacock
 

We are leaving St Augustine for a month, and I am trying to get my electric usage to near zero. I could only get it down to 0.2 amps (as measured by the Voltmaster/Batman). All breakers are off (at least the ones I am aware of). I have taken the “permanent” Sailor 24>12 volt transformer out entirely, fuse removed. I then noticed that the fuel gauge still works. I could not trace the wires. There seems to be 19 volts at the gauge, but one of the hot wires comes into a resistor. If I disconnect the feed, the boat power usage does go down to 0.1 alternating with 0.2.
Two questions:
Any idea where the fuel gauge gets its power from?
Any idea how to get the amps down to zero?
Thanks as always to all in this group.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Reefing schedule

Porter McRoberts
 

The solution to pollution is dilution!
We fill the bowl with fresh after any use and put that through. Thanks Bill R. 

Porter
54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 13, 2018, at 12:34 AM, Alin Misescu alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you very much Bill. Awesome, I think that should do it. 

All the best. 
Alin Misescu 
SM2k Wanderer #283



On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 16:31, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
 

Alin,


I assume by "reefing schedule" you mean how much you plan to shorten sail at various wind strengths.

When sailing monohulls I have never reefed "by the numbers", but rather used boat speed, heel, and helm balance to tell me I needed to shorten things down. Wind strength, sea state, and point of sail all make it really hard to reduce it to a single simple rule.

But, assuming further, that this is a regulatory requirement for you, I'll give it a go to write down a simple series of rules. These are very approximate, and are assuming you are close hauled, with sails that have good shape and are properly trimmed.  All wind speeds are apparent wind, and are approximate. Reefing percentages are area reduction in the indicated sail from its full size. The sequence is also a bit flexible in practice.  For example, sometimes, rather than take the second reef in the genoa, I'll just put the main away.  

0 to 18 knots  All plain sail.
18  knots Genoa reefed 15%
20  knots  Main reefed 20%
23  knots Genoa reefed 25%
25 knots  Main furled away.
30 knots  Mizzen reefed 20%
35 knots  Genoa reefed 50%

Of course when sailing off the wind, more sail can be carried at any given true wind speed.  My sails have stripes on them giving me an indication of these area reductions so I can repeatably set things like the position of the jib sheet cars.  My genoa has a padded luff so it gives respectable sail shape to about 25% reef.  Reduce it to 50%, and it does start to bag up a bit, and pointing ability starts to fall off.

I am guessing that such a table as above will give the surveyor what he needs to see.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA

Fiberglass repair

caliber33verizon.net@...
 

Autoprop through a blade!! Any suggestion on type of fiberglass to use to repair small dent on hull. Is West System ok?


    Steve

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ballooner Not Locking

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Annsofie,

I have at last been able to drop my swivel and find out why the ballooner refused to lock in the up position. Danny was spot on in suggesting that the tongue of the locking piece had worn away. If anyone is ordering this part from Amel, be aware that there are at least two different sizes of the tongue assembly with different screw hole spacing.

Alas, I am also concerned that the swivel itself seems rather wobbly, so I might be in for a ball bearing change as well. I looked in the files section but cannot find the file that you suggest. If you still have a copy, can you please send it to me at crusader53@...?

Many thanks

Ian SM2K 414 Crusader Cyprus


On 23/10/2018 21:34, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Take a look at the file "Changing ball bearings ...". We had the same problem on Lady Annila a few years ago. The file I reffer to shows all parts and what was wrong with ours. Maybe it could help you.

Regards
Annsofie at S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

> 19 okt. 2018 kl. 00:18 skrev Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] :
>
>
>
> Hi. I attach a photo of the swivel with the tongue beside it. Second try.
>
> Regards
>
> Danny
>
> SM 299
>
> Ocean Pearl
>
> On 19 October 2018 at 07:02 "Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> further to my last. The reason it won't be over the slot is because the tongue I described being worn off. I struggled with the same problem before it was pointed out to me by another amelian.
> Regards
> Danny
> SM 299
> Ocean Pearl
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 04:37, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ian,
>
> I have found one issue you might have a look at. I am sure there are others that people with more Amel time than I have come across.
>
> I haven't noticed it being sensitive to the exact height on the foil, although I haven't tested it much in that regard.
>
> If latch actually works with all the parts in hand, it might be an alignment issue. Keep the lashing line from the head of the genoa very short, and be sure that the head swivel is rotating smoothly. You want to be sure that the latch stays directly over the proper slot in the foil. If it rotates off center a bit it doesn't latch.
>
> Bill Kinney
> Sm160, Harmonie
> Annapolis, MD, USA
>
>
>
>
> ---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :
>
> The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into
> the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various
> rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing
> dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should
> be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook
> nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it
> touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks
> with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks
> and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down
> after the problem first appeared.
>
> Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.
>
> Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> <20181019_072909.jpg>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Reefing schedule

Alin SM 283
 

Thank you very much Bill. Awesome, I think that should do it. 
All the best. 
Alin Misescu 
SM2k Wanderer #283



On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 16:31, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Alin,


I assume by "reefing schedule" you mean how much you plan to shorten sail at various wind strengths.

When sailing monohulls I have never reefed "by the numbers", but rather used boat speed, heel, and helm balance to tell me I needed to shorten things down. Wind strength, sea state, and point of sail all make it really hard to reduce it to a single simple rule.

But, assuming further, that this is a regulatory requirement for you, I'll give it a go to write down a simple series of rules. These are very approximate, and are assuming you are close hauled, with sails that have good shape and are properly trimmed.  All wind speeds are apparent wind, and are approximate. Reefing percentages are area reduction in the indicated sail from its full size. The sequence is also a bit flexible in practice.  For example, sometimes, rather than take the second reef in the genoa, I'll just put the main away.  

0 to 18 knots  All plain sail.
18  knots Genoa reefed 15%
20  knots  Main reefed 20%
23  knots Genoa reefed 25%
25 knots  Main furled away.
30 knots  Mizzen reefed 20%
35 knots  Genoa reefed 50%

Of course when sailing off the wind, more sail can be carried at any given true wind speed.  My sails have stripes on them giving me an indication of these area reductions so I can repeatably set things like the position of the jib sheet cars.  My genoa has a padded luff so it gives respectable sail shape to about 25% reef.  Reduce it to 50%, and it does start to bag up a bit, and pointing ability starts to fall off.

I am guessing that such a table as above will give the surveyor what he needs to see.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA

Re: Aft Head Hose

Drew Gaffney
 

Maybe the best “solution” (pun intended) is to prevent the urate deposits from forming. The original owner, also a physician, cautioned that every flush should last 10 seconds, counted religiously. We’ve followed his instructions and have never had any problems with the heads.
Drew
SY Revelation SM390
Carloforte, Sardinia

Re: Reefing schedule

greatketch@...
 

Alin,

I assume by "reefing schedule" you mean how much you plan to shorten sail at various wind strengths.

When sailing monohulls I have never reefed "by the numbers", but rather used boat speed, heel, and helm balance to tell me I needed to shorten things down. Wind strength, sea state, and point of sail all make it really hard to reduce it to a single simple rule.

But, assuming further, that this is a regulatory requirement for you, I'll give it a go to write down a simple series of rules. These are very approximate, and are assuming you are close hauled, with sails that have good shape and are properly trimmed.  All wind speeds are apparent wind, and are approximate. Reefing percentages are area reduction in the indicated sail from its full size. The sequence is also a bit flexible in practice.  For example, sometimes, rather than take the second reef in the genoa, I'll just put the main away.  

0 to 18 knots  All plain sail.
18  knots Genoa reefed 15%
20  knots  Main reefed 20%
23  knots Genoa reefed 25%
25 knots  Main furled away.
30 knots  Mizzen reefed 20%
35 knots  Genoa reefed 50%

Of course when sailing off the wind, more sail can be carried at any given true wind speed.  My sails have stripes on them giving me an indication of these area reductions so I can repeatably set things like the position of the jib sheet cars.  My genoa has a padded luff so it gives respectable sail shape to about 25% reef.  Reduce it to 50%, and it does start to bag up a bit, and pointing ability starts to fall off.

I am guessing that such a table as above will give the surveyor what he needs to see.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA

Reefing schedule

Alin SM 283
 

Hello Amel owners.

I am very close to getting the papers from Maritime NZ for my SM 2k Wanderer, to be able to operate commercially  , ie take people out and pretend I work, :).

Is there any amel SM owner that can help me come up with a reefing schedule for my  surveyor? 

Thank you.

Alin Misescu, SM2k #283, Wanderer.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit enclosure fittings [2 Attachments]

Willem Kroes
 

Thanks Danny. The only thing missing is the piece of metal on the stay where the u-shape has to rest on. May be I can attach a hose clamp.

Kind regards,

Willem

SM#351 KAVANGA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit enclosure fittings

Willem Kroes
 

Thanks Alexandre for the pictures.

 

Kind regards,

 

Willem

 

SM#351 KAVANGA

 

Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Verzonden: zondag 11 november 2018 14:08
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit enclosure fittings

 

 

Good morning Willem,

I had a full cockpit enclosure with the same parts.
Quite frankly I never was fully sure where went where…
It seems the 2 pieces with U shape on one side and little hook on the other were going:
U shape on the shroud (you should have a little round block of metal on the shroud above which that bar will rest) and the Hook on the mizzen (not sure exactly where, on the top, gooseneck, etc.)
If you look closely on the 2nd and 3rd pictures from the bottom you will see for the U shape.
http://www.nikimat.com/bimini.html

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/11/18, kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit enclosure fittings [2 Attachments]
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2018, 6:23 AM


 









Hello fellow Super Maramu
owners,
For the winter period I
changed my new summer cockpit sprayhood for the old vinyl
one I still carry on board. This also for het cockpit
enclosure vinyl pieces I have on board. Some are not much
used. In the garage I found 3 stainless steel bars. One just
fits in and has two identical end fittings welded on. The
other two are smaller and are identical with on each end
different fittings. Obviously these are ment to be used for
the cockpit enclosure. I have no idea where to attach these
bars. I hope that some of you has identical fittings for the
cockpit enclosure and will be so kind to inform me. For this
reason I made 2 pictures of the bars and end
fittings.If you have pictures about the
installation of a similar enclosure, that will be great if
you email these to me.
Best
regards,
Willem
Kroes
SM #351 KAVANGA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sheet boom slider broken

Danny Simms
 

I always said the SM was the culmination of Henri's design work.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main sheet boom slider broken

Alan Leslie
 

It is interesting to note that not all models of Amel boats have this sliding block arrangement. I've seen older Maramus that have welded tangs and I think all the 54s were built that way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bowsprit for Super Maramu

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Juan,

This was installed by the previous owner and I personally never used it, but I would assume that you need the hook to prevent the bow spirit to go up.

Unfortunately I can not take picture as my vessel was lost last year during Hurricane irma. Therefore, if you look on the following link (which relate to the staysail) and scroll down to the 8 and 9 pictures, then you can see how the hook was secured from the inside.
http://www.nikimat.com/staysail.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 11/11/18, jdezulue@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bowsprit for Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2018, 4:28 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,



Many thanks for all those pictures.

Do you always need a hook ?

Do you how the hook is attached to the boat inside?

Can you make a picture?



I have seen a à picture of a bowsprit which was done in
France, it does not seems to need a hook... but I believe if
it is safer to put it.



Many thanks in advance.



Juan de Zulueta



Ophelie X

Re: Bowsprit for Super Maramu

jdezulue@...
 

Hi Alexandre,

Many thanks for all those pictures.
Do you always need a hook ?
Do you how the hook is attached to the boat inside?
Can you make a picture?


I have seen a à picture of a bowsprit which was done in France, it does not seems to need a hook... but I believe if it is safer to put it.



Many thanks in advance.

Juan de Zulueta

Ophelie X

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] day fuel tank

michael winand
 

Thanks Alexandre
I am doing the same as you have recommended. Maybe overkill. But good to know that the fuel in the tank is clean.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 0:17, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Michael,

On Nikimat, I had 5 x 20 liter Jerry can full of diesel in the lazarette.
My refueling rules (probably over killed) was:
fill up jerry can, then transfer them to main thank through a Baja filter.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 11/10/18, michael winand mfw642000@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] day fuel tank
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Saturday, November 10, 2018, 10:11 PM


 









Thanks Bill.I
am looking at this for a little extra fuel capacity  say
100-120litres and to also be able to get the filtration
system sorted. A
pump system through a large  filter to the day tank. Day
tank over flow back to the main. In
a large seaway I will be more comfortable with knowing that
when the main tank is down to the last 100 liters  I have a
good supply at the day tank. Current
setup has the engine having to suck fuel  as the main 
tank gets down to 1/3 . I
am thinking that gravity feed from above wouldn't
hurt. I
would still have a second set of filters on the day
tank. Regards
Michael 

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from Yahoo7 Mail on Android
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 at
14:26, greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 









This is really a matter of cruising style and
preference.  Some people feel that a Super Maramu's
installed fuel capacity is not adequate for a world cruising
boat, and others worry about fuel going bad before they use
it.  Neither approach is wrong, it really is a matter of
taste.  Some people fire up the engine anytime boat speed
drops below 5 knots.  Others are perfectly happy drifting
along at 2 knots.  
I
know our boat has already been around the world--TWICE--with
only the factory installed fuel tank.  I decided not to add
complexity--and weight--by changing an obviously successful
design.
Don't
forget, by dropping your speed from 6 knots to 5 knots
you--almost--double your motoring range.  Go to 4 knots and
you--almost--double it again.
I don't have a recommendation on
how to install a day tank, just an observation that it MIGHT
not be the way you want to go.  If you do want to go that
way, I know several people on this forum have, and will have
good ideas on how to do it.
Bill KinneySM160,
HarmonieHollywood Florida,
USA











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] day fuel tank

Alan Leslie
 

We do the same. We have 10 x 20 litre containers in the port side deck locker.
We have never needed to use them and end up putting the fuel in the main tank eventually.
For the last two years I have not filled them and contemplate getting rid of them from time to time!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437