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Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Thank you Bill. the position of the copper foil in the aft lazarette is very usefull information. i will let you now how i get on.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic
The part number for the Leroy Somer gearbox as on SM437 is :
MVA
M33 C CR20 60 The last time I bought one from the Australian dealer it cost me A$1295 delivered. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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An Anchor Alternative...
greatketch@...
Harmonie came to us with a 40kg Rocna anchor. I believe that this has been the the standard anchor that people have chosen when they were looking to upsize from the 30kg Bügel. After a circumnavigation with the previous owners, and an additional couple of years with us, our reliable old friend on the bow was getting a bit worn. The galvanizing was almost all gone, and the rust was starting to bleed through. We looked at having our chain and anchor re-galvanized, but could not find a source to take on such a relatively small project in a cost effective manner. Since we were in the market for a second anchor anyway, it was time to shop. The long version of this story is in our blog, but I thought the Amel world would be interested. Making a very long story as brief as possible, we ended up selecting a 48kg (105lb) Mantus as our new primary anchor. Having a lot of previous experience with the Mantus anchor, we were sure we would be at least as happy with the anchoring performance as we would be with the 40kg Rocna. The only question was if the fit on the bow roller was going to be satisfactory. With templates and tape measures we were pretty comfortable that things would work well. Turns out the Mantus fits even better than the Rocna. More secure, and less interference with the pulpit and second anchor roller. Be aware that our roller is the "old style" and even from that is slightly modified, so be sure you check yourself for fit on your boat. We ended up with an anchor with about 10% more surface area than the 40kg Rocna, for just about the same price. Many of you know I HATE adding weight to the bow of the boat, but the extra 17 lbs seems worth it. Always good to have alternatives! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic
greatketch@...
There are many distributors for LeroySomers gear boxes, but to order them direct you will need the exact part number, which I do not have, or take the gearbox in and have the staff measure them. The last time I looked, delivery was 12 to 20 weeks from France.
Amel has the LeroySomers gearboxes in stock. Maud just shipped us two. Expensive, but available. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
greatketch@...
Ian, Interesting... Are your plugs just held in by the "liner"? If so, how did they fall fall out? Which I understand to be the problem with your swivel. Bill ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote : Bill, you must have a different design to my swivel. There are no circlips on SM 414. The balls I got from Amel no problem, but not the plugs. OK on the lube side. I did not intend to use any. All of my ball bearings were showing signs of degradation, cracking and wear, so I will replace the lot. Regards Ian SM 414 Crusader (2003) Cyprus
On 04/12/2018 21:02,
greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
Ian Park
Ian
It was a flush fit and the two halves of the furler rolled round smoothly. I guess that as long as the plug is kept oriented properly by the ridge the bearings keep it in place. The whole thing is a nicely simple design that works. I know that while I was experimenting with plugs the ball race jammed every time, until it was the right shape for the ball race and kept in position by that ridge. No circlips on mine. I used standard Harken Delrin bearings. Marked as 10mm but measured a bit less. Still working well. Never did think of lubrication. Not much salt at the top of the forestay, but always gave it a good soak in fresh water when the sail came off. Ian
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
Ian Shepherd
Ian, just one question. As the stopper hole has no shoulder on it, how do you stop the plug from going too far in and disrupting the ball track? Ian SM2K 414 Crusader Cyprus
On 04/12/2018 15:29, Ian Park
parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
Ian Shepherd
Bill, you must have a different design to my swivel. There are no circlips on SM 414. The balls I got from Amel no problem, but not the plugs. OK on the lube side. I did not intend to use any. All of my ball bearings were showing signs of degradation, cracking and wear, so I will replace the lot. Regards Ian SM 414 Crusader (2003) Cyprus
On 04/12/2018 21:02,
greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
greatketch@...
Ian,
The actual balls for the ball bearings are readily available. They are a standard part. Mine were all in good shape, and got reassembled or I would measure them. Measure carefully, and do not assume they are metric. Many European manufacturers of moving rigging parts use 0.25 inch ball bearings. The cir-clips are also a standard size and widely available. The plugs... of course not so much! I just had my swivel rebuilt. The first cir-clip came out without a hitch, followed by the plug. The second clip shattered when it was being removed, and left little corroded pieces of itself behind that made removing the plug a nightmare. The cir-clips were replaced with stainless ones that will not have this problem. Like so many things, this is a compromise. A higher risk of corrosion to the swivel body, but a lower risk of corrosion to an aluminum clip that can cause loss of the clips and plugs. I have put a good coat of Lanocoat over the clips, and added the part to my routine inspection list. Hopefully that, along with the part's location well above the normal salt spray zone, will keep things together and running smoothly. An interesting piece of recent technical advice from Harkin about these plastic ball bearings in other applications. They strongly suggest NOT lubricating them with the standard dry silicone lubricants-just keep them flushed with fresh water. The rational is the silicones can make the bearing race so slick that the balls start to slide instead of roll. Then they get a flat spot, and things go down hill from there. This was news to me, although it has the sound of truth to it. I haven't decided yet if I will stop putting dry lube on parts like this. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
Ian Park
Ian
That is exactly what I did. But I went to a machine shop, left the swivel with them and they made a perfect stopper, shaped to the ball race and with the alignment ridge on the outside. Not sure what the plastic was - it was very hard and a perfect fit. I believe it was a plastic rod the correct diameter they started with. I should have asked them to make a few spares but I didn’t think about it at the time. That ridge is important if the stopper turns the swivel jams. I used a short plug at first but one bearing would catch on the edge of the hole, stop and jam it he rest. It has to be a match for the bearing groove. Good luck. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic
Willem Kroes
Thank you Alexandre!
Do you know where I can buy the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc reduction gear boxes?
Best regards,
Willem Kroes
SM#351 KAVANGA
Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
No, the SM2K had the Leroy Somer.
On Sun, 12/2/18, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Sunday, December 2, 2018, 7:45 AM Hi Robin, Do you know if these gear boxes are also applicable on Super Maramu’s? Best regards, Willem Kroes SM#351 KAVANGA Berthed in Cartagena, Murcia, Spain
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Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs
Ian Shepherd
Have stripped my forestay swivel I found that both my ball stopper plugs were missing. Without these plugs the plastic balls will get a hammering as they pass the insertion hole. Amel tell me that these plugs are not available as a spare and that I should use some silicone to plug the holes. I am not happy with that solution as the balls need to have a smooth shaped surface to run over and silicone may well clog up the ball race.
My idea is to buy some 10mm nylon or wood dowelling and carefully file the plugs to the correct shape on the ball race side and to file a ridge in the other end so that it cannot twist once inserted. The ridge would sit in the slot in the carbon fibre sleeve. I am disappointed that Amel do not sell an overhaul kit consisting of new ball bearings complete with a new sleeve and a new set of ball stopper plugs. If anyone has another solution, please let me know. Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Cyprus
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway downward sliding part dimensions
Willem Kroes
Thanks Mark, I will cut out following these dimensions.
Kind regards,
Willem
SM#351 KAVANGA
Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Willem
28” wind by 48” tall will give you ample material.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Amelians,
I am not on my boat now and want to buy bendable teak 0.8 mm to renovate the companion way washboard because bits of the teak veneer are coming off. So I need dimensions of the washboard. Anyone on board of his SM will be so kind to e-mail me these dimensions?
Regards,
Willem Kroes
SM#351 KAVANGA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway ( washboard ) rubber seal replacement?
Willem Kroes
Thanks Mike, I will order today.
Kind regards,
Willem
SM#351 KAVANGA Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Willem, Below is a copy of my order for part number 13714X2 that seems to work fine. (I am not sure if pasted graphics come through on the Bulletin Board.) Rock Auto has several profiles for what they call Belt Weatherstrip that can work if you want to explore a bit. Mike ALETES SM#240 St. Augustine, FL
From:
amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Hi Alan,
What was the part number of the seal you bought from Rockauto?
Best regards,
Willem Kroes
SM#351 KAVANGA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic
Our furler is now operational. Ultimately, the primary root cause was a seized bearing, the one closest to the motor. Other components definitely needed attention as well but were not critical. We cleaned it all, greased it up (vs. gear oil because we didn't trust the seals) and reinstalled the unit. However, I will take the good advice of the forum and stock two spare gear boxes. Thanks all for your input. Note to older SM owners. We started diagnosing the issue by electrical troubleshooting. Unlike SM2Ks, there are no relays. Just the solenoids in the drop down panel above the dryer rack in the fwd head. Lastly, I was very impressed with how easy it was to drop the furler and go manual. We did this for a couple of passages. Sweet design. No struggles. Ian & Margaret S/V Loca Lola II SM153 Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
On Dec 1, 2018, at 4:34 AM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Missing furler release knob
greatketch@...
We are in luck... I happen to have the jib furler apart on my boat for routine maintenance. I can photograph and measure the parts of the drive pin if anyone needs them.
One thing I can reassure people about, there is not a furling pin thief running around. It is impossible to remove the pin without disassembling the furling drum. It is possible for the handle to unscrew from the pin, and be lost. The good news would be that the pin itself is still in the furling drum. Note that this is the new style split furling drum. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
We have a split lead antenna, that is put outside the back stay https://gamelectronicsinc.com/product/split-lead-gammckim-ssb/
Very easy to install, we have communicated with Chris Parker all the way between Hampton Virginia to Antigua and we heard him well as so did he with us Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Hi Dean,
When I bought my 54 she also missed the OEM AMEL whip.
I asked AMEL to send a new whip and they suggested to have a backstay antenna as it would be very difficult & cost prohibitive to ship an AMEL whip to NEW CALEDONIA. So that’s what I did – reading the suggestions on this forum I will make some modifications but will stay with the backstay antenna.
Best Regards Teun
AMELIT A54 #128 NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA Dec 03, 2018 20:37:47
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2018 8:09 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Thanks Daniel,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Hi Dean,
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The little stand off spacers are on my list of “things to do”. No leakage problems. Nick “Amelia”
On 3 Dec 2018, at 00:20, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ballooner Halyard for Maramu, SN, SM and a few 54s
greatketch@...
Bill R,
Point 1: New England Ropes Sta-SetX polyester line has a breaking strength of 7600 lbs in the 7/16 inch size (11mm, but as close as they get to 10). Even using the most conservative industry value for safety factor for life-safety usage of 15X, it is more than strong enough to lift any person up the mast (that I would want to lift!). If you think that 10mm Dacron line is not suitable for going up a mast, you need to know that your standards are VERY different than the rest of the sailing world. You suggest high tech line is "more reliable." It is not. Many of the high tech lines have a much shorter life span in actual use because they do not like going around small sheaves and cleats. They can fail on the inside and you will NEVER know because the damage is invisible inside the sun cover which has no real strength of its own. I have seen this happen on a J-105 where a Spectra cored halyard failed while hoisting the sail. There was no trace of damage looking at the cover, but the actual strength carrying core had been crushed by the cleat where the line was normally stopped off. After that incident, I refused to allow my staff to go aloft on cored halyards. I would MUCH prefer going aloft on a double braid polyester line where my visual inspection of the line tells me everything I need to know about its condition. Amel's specifications are very clear: For lines where stretch is critical, like the halyards, the main outhaul, the traveler control lines, they are all called out as high tech line. I know they do not SAY polyester covered, but you can not use Kevlar line uncovered. It would have a very short live span in tropical sun, and it would be WAY too slippery to work in the line tenders, or even on a standard winch at high loadings. I know how important these low-stretch specifications are, I just bought a lot of high tech line for our boat, and for these applications they are not only worth it, but are essential to proper operation. When Amel specifies "polyester" line, that's what they mean--not "polyester covered". You'll see this if you look at the lines where they do specify "polyester". They are ALL for lines where stretch can either be accepted (like the ballooner halyard) or where stretch is an important requirement (like the main sheet.) High tech line is not "better" than polyester. It is different. It has a different purpose. None of our lines are loaded ANYWHERE near the point they need Spectra, Dyneema, or Vectran for breaking strength. The only reason to use these kinds of lines on a Super Maramu is to control stretch. Thats where they should be used. In places where a bit of give is important to protect the boat (like a main sheet in a crash gybe) polyester is BETTER. In places where stretch is unimportant, then use what makes sense from a cost and performance standpoint. That is what Amel specified, and what I use. It sounds like you are suggesting that ALL the lines on a Super Maramu MUST be high tech lines. That will warm the hearts of people selling such lines, and leaving everybody else poorer, to no useful purpose. We all want to help people make the right choices. Just like on the different kinds of Dyneema or Vectran lines for the outhaul or main traveler, details _matter_ in this. Vectran, Dyneema, and Spectra are not the same thing. They are covered in different materials for different purposes. You have to know the reason for making choices. More dollars spent does not always get you the better outcome if spent on specifications that are irrelevant or inappropriate for the application.. Just so people understand where I am coming from, I have rigged a 40 foot boat with Dyneema standing rigging. It was a very successful operation. It would have been a laughable failure with Dacron line--of any kind. It is not something I would recommend for every boat, by any means. I understand where and when high tech lines are useful. These lines are not magic. They have pluses and minuses. No line is suitable for all purposes. That's a very long way of saying, the ballooner halyard should be 10mm Dacron line. It is more than strong enough. The extra stretch is irrelevant--in this application. It is safer for going aloft because it is visually inspectable for strength, and it is a LOT less expensive. I like New England Ropes Sta-Set X because it is really easy to splice and has a nice "hand," but a bunch of others would do as well. That's my reasoning. You don't have to accept it, but you asked for it. That's pretty much everything I know about the matter. You should, of course, make what ever recommendation you think best based on what you know. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote : Bill Kinney,
Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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