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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Part

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

That looks like a safety cable for a MOM-8.

It is attached to the Mom and around the rail. If you hit a piling and break off the mounting hardware it keeps the Mom on board.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown Part

 

 

Here’s a link to the pic of my unknown part. A cable with fittings. The whole thing is about 30” long., the wire cable about 3mm diameter (5mm with cover).
Anybody know what it’s for?
Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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Cuba

karkauai
 

Does anyone have experience going to Cuba? We thought we’d like to do that before heading for Belize.

Thanks for any advice or info.

Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243


Unknown Part

karkauai
 

Here’s a link to the pic of my unknown part. A cable with fittings. The whole thing is about 30” long., the wire cable about 3mm diameter (5mm with cover).
Anybody know what it’s for?
Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/948071197/lightbox/187179813?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/187179813


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Mark Erdos
 

I would suggest installing a separate antenna for the AIS. I installed the AIS antenna on the top of the mizzen mast and followed the radar cabling to the nav station (very easy to do – access in aft head next to the mirror). I have yet to find a splitter that doesn’t impede upon the performance on the units attached.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 12:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

 

 

Dear Amelians,

 

We became proud owners of SM hull #293 last summer... We received lots of help from Olivier Beauté and Bill Rouse, but there is still sooooo much to learn... This Forum is invaluable!

 

One question I have: the electronics on Carpathia is exactly the same as 18 years ago. Among other things, I would like to install a Vesper AIS transponder and a new VHF DSC/AIS (probably B&G V60), as well as create the beginning of a NMEA2000 backbone. How does it work for the antenna when two AIS systems coexist? The VHF will have an internal splitter but can there be another - external - splitter for the transponder, all this working from the same antenna, or do I need a second antenna?

 

Peregrinus, you seem to have installed this configuration? Others?

 

Many thanks for your help,

 

Cathy & Guillaume

s/v Carpathia III – SM2K#293


Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Dear Amelians,

We became proud owners of SM hull #293 last summer... We received lots of help from Olivier Beauté and Bill Rouse, but there is still sooooo much to learn... This Forum is invaluable!

One question I have: the electronics on Carpathia is exactly the same as 18 years ago. Among other things, I would like to install a Vesper AIS transponder and a new VHF DSC/AIS (probably B&G V60), as well as create the beginning of a NMEA2000 backbone. How does it work for the antenna when two AIS systems coexist? The VHF will have an internal splitter but can there be another - external - splitter for the transponder, all this working from the same antenna, or do I need a second antenna?

Peregrinus, you seem to have installed this configuration? Others?

Many thanks for your help,

Cathy & Guillaume

s/v Carpathia III – SM2K#293


Re: Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

mfmcgovern@...
 

Ken,

It's more likely that you purchased or were sent the wrong car.  Do you know the part number of the car?  If so, post it here.

The track on the main boom should be 31mm wide x 21mm tall.  That track is still made and sold by Antal:  https://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/category/2-Antal-4-Race-Tracks-31-21.html and so is the car:  https://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/product/ANT4110SH.html

Depending on what what damaged and how bad you might be able to repair/rebuild your car.  Check out Alex from Nikimat's excellent write-ups on rebuilding his boom cars here:  http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html and here:  http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html 

Good luck!

Mark McGovern
SM#440 Cara
Wintry and Cold Deale, MD USA



 



Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello All, I need your help.

Aquarius is a 1999 Super Maramu 2000, and the car for the main outhaul was damaged.  I bought a new one in New Zealand from Antal (Hall Spars), but the new car is a different size.  The center ridge on the track attached to the main boom is too high, and the car will not fit on the track.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Hopefully I will not have to replace the track on the main boom just because Antal changed the track size!!!!!

Thanks,

Ken Powers


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic

Willem Kroes
 

Thanks a lot Alan!

Kind regards, Willem

SM#351 KAVANGA

Op 6 dec. 2018 22:25 schreef "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" :
 

The part number for the Leroy Somer gearbox as on SM437 is :


MVA M33 C CR20 60 

The last time I bought one from the Australian dealer it cost me A$1295 delivered.

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Amel54 SSB installation

Jeroen jeltes
 

Thank you Bill.  the position of the copper foil in the aft lazarette is very usefull information.  i  will let you now how i get on.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic

Alan Leslie
 

The part number for the Leroy Somer gearbox as on SM437 is :

MVA M33 C CR20 60 

The last time I bought one from the Australian dealer it cost me A$1295 delivered.

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437


An Anchor Alternative...

greatketch@...
 

Harmonie came to us with a 40kg Rocna anchor.  I believe that this has been the the standard anchor that people have chosen when they were looking to upsize from the 30kg Bügel.


After a circumnavigation with the previous owners, and an additional couple of years with us, our reliable old friend on the bow was getting a bit worn.  The galvanizing was almost all gone, and the rust was starting to bleed through. We looked at having our chain and anchor re-galvanized, but could not find a source to take on such a relatively small project in a cost effective manner.  Since we were in the market for a second anchor anyway, it was time to shop.


The long version of this story is in our blog, but I thought the Amel world would be interested.


Making a very long story as brief as possible, we ended up selecting a 48kg (105lb) Mantus as our new primary anchor.  Having a lot of  previous experience with the Mantus anchor, we were sure we would be at least as happy with the anchoring performance as we would be with the 40kg Rocna. The only question was if the fit on the bow roller was going to be satisfactory.  With templates and tape measures we were pretty comfortable that things would work well.


Turns out the Mantus fits even better than the Rocna. More secure, and less interference with the pulpit and second anchor roller.  Be aware that our roller is the "old style" and even from that is slightly modified, so be sure you check yourself for fit on your boat.  


We ended up with an anchor with about 10% more surface area than the 40kg Rocna, for just about the same price. Many of you know I HATE adding weight to the bow of the boat, but the extra 17 lbs seems worth it.


Always good to have alternatives!


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic

greatketch@...
 

There are many distributors for LeroySomers gear boxes, but to order them direct you will need the exact part number, which I do not have, or take the gearbox in and have the staff measure them. The last time I looked, delivery was 12 to 20 weeks from France.

Amel has the LeroySomers gearboxes in stock.  Maud just shipped us two.  Expensive, but available.



Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

greatketch@...
 


Ian,

Interesting...  Are your plugs just held in by the "liner"?  If so, how did they fall fall out? Which I understand to be the problem with your swivel.

Bill


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote :

Bill,

you must have a different design to my swivel. There are no circlips on SM 414. The balls I got from Amel no problem, but not the plugs. OK on the lube side. I did not intend to use any. All of my ball bearings were showing signs of degradation, cracking and wear, so I will replace the lot.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader (2003) Cyprus

On 04/12/2018 21:02, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Ian,


The actual balls for the ball bearings are readily available.  They are a standard part. Mine were all in good shape, and got reassembled or I would measure them.  Measure carefully, and do not assume they are metric.  Many European manufacturers of moving rigging parts use 0.25 inch ball bearings. The cir-clips are also a standard size and widely available.  The plugs... of course not so much! 

I just had my swivel rebuilt.  The first cir-clip came out without a hitch, followed by the plug.  The second clip shattered when it was being removed, and left little corroded pieces of itself behind that made removing the plug a nightmare.  The cir-clips were replaced with stainless ones that will not have this problem.  

Like so many things, this is a compromise.  A higher risk of corrosion to the swivel body, but a lower risk of corrosion to an aluminum clip that can cause loss of the clips and plugs.  I have put a good coat of Lanocoat over the clips, and added the part to my routine inspection list.  Hopefully that, along with the part's location well above the normal salt spray zone, will keep things together and running smoothly.

An interesting piece of recent technical advice from Harkin about these plastic ball bearings in other applications.  They strongly suggest NOT lubricating them with the standard dry silicone lubricants-just keep them flushed with fresh water. The rational is the silicones can make the bearing race so slick that the balls start to slide instead of roll.  Then they get a flat spot, and things go down hill from there.  This was news to me, although it has the sound of truth to it.  

I haven't decided yet if I will stop putting dry lube on parts like this.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

Ian Park
 

Ian
It was a flush fit and the two halves of the furler rolled round smoothly. I guess that as long as the plug is kept oriented properly by the ridge the bearings keep it in place. The whole thing is a nicely simple design that works. I know that while I was experimenting with plugs the ball race jammed every time, until it was the right shape for the ball race and kept in position by that ridge.

No circlips on mine. I used standard Harken Delrin bearings. Marked as 10mm but measured a bit less. Still working well. Never did think of lubrication. Not much salt at the top of the forestay, but always gave it a good soak in fresh water when the sail came off.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

Ian Shepherd
 

Ian,

just one question. As the stopper hole has no shoulder on it, how do you stop the plug from going too far in and disrupting the ball track?

Ian SM2K 414 Crusader Cyprus

On 04/12/2018 15:29, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Ian
That is exactly what I did. But I went to a machine shop, left the swivel with them and they made a perfect stopper, shaped to the ball race and with the alignment ridge on the outside. Not sure what the plastic was - it was very hard and a perfect fit. I believe it was a plastic rod the correct diameter they started with.
I should have asked them to make a few spares but I didn’t think about it at the time.
That ridge is important if the stopper turns the swivel jams. I used a short plug at first but one bearing would catch on the edge of the hole, stop and jam it he rest. It has to be a match for the bearing groove.
Good luck.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

Ian Shepherd
 

Bill,

you must have a different design to my swivel. There are no circlips on SM 414. The balls I got from Amel no problem, but not the plugs. OK on the lube side. I did not intend to use any. All of my ball bearings were showing signs of degradation, cracking and wear, so I will replace the lot.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader (2003) Cyprus

On 04/12/2018 21:02, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Ian,


The actual balls for the ball bearings are readily available.  They are a standard part. Mine were all in good shape, and got reassembled or I would measure them.  Measure carefully, and do not assume they are metric.  Many European manufacturers of moving rigging parts use 0.25 inch ball bearings. The cir-clips are also a standard size and widely available.  The plugs... of course not so much! 

I just had my swivel rebuilt.  The first cir-clip came out without a hitch, followed by the plug.  The second clip shattered when it was being removed, and left little corroded pieces of itself behind that made removing the plug a nightmare.  The cir-clips were replaced with stainless ones that will not have this problem.  

Like so many things, this is a compromise.  A higher risk of corrosion to the swivel body, but a lower risk of corrosion to an aluminum clip that can cause loss of the clips and plugs.  I have put a good coat of Lanocoat over the clips, and added the part to my routine inspection list.  Hopefully that, along with the part's location well above the normal salt spray zone, will keep things together and running smoothly.

An interesting piece of recent technical advice from Harkin about these plastic ball bearings in other applications.  They strongly suggest NOT lubricating them with the standard dry silicone lubricants-just keep them flushed with fresh water. The rational is the silicones can make the bearing race so slick that the balls start to slide instead of roll.  Then they get a flat spot, and things go down hill from there.  This was news to me, although it has the sound of truth to it.  

I haven't decided yet if I will stop putting dry lube on parts like this.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

greatketch@...
 

Ian,

The actual balls for the ball bearings are readily available.  They are a standard part. Mine were all in good shape, and got reassembled or I would measure them.  Measure carefully, and do not assume they are metric.  Many European manufacturers of moving rigging parts use 0.25 inch ball bearings. The cir-clips are also a standard size and widely available.  The plugs... of course not so much! 

I just had my swivel rebuilt.  The first cir-clip came out without a hitch, followed by the plug.  The second clip shattered when it was being removed, and left little corroded pieces of itself behind that made removing the plug a nightmare.  The cir-clips were replaced with stainless ones that will not have this problem.  

Like so many things, this is a compromise.  A higher risk of corrosion to the swivel body, but a lower risk of corrosion to an aluminum clip that can cause loss of the clips and plugs.  I have put a good coat of Lanocoat over the clips, and added the part to my routine inspection list.  Hopefully that, along with the part's location well above the normal salt spray zone, will keep things together and running smoothly.

An interesting piece of recent technical advice from Harkin about these plastic ball bearings in other applications.  They strongly suggest NOT lubricating them with the standard dry silicone lubricants-just keep them flushed with fresh water. The rational is the silicones can make the bearing race so slick that the balls start to slide instead of roll.  Then they get a flat spot, and things go down hill from there.  This was news to me, although it has the sound of truth to it.  

I haven't decided yet if I will stop putting dry lube on parts like this.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

Ian Park
 

Ian
That is exactly what I did. But I went to a machine shop, left the swivel with them and they made a perfect stopper, shaped to the ball race and with the alignment ridge on the outside. Not sure what the plastic was - it was very hard and a perfect fit. I believe it was a plastic rod the correct diameter they started with.
I should have asked them to make a few spares but I didn’t think about it at the time.
That ridge is important if the stopper turns the swivel jams. I used a short plug at first but one bearing would catch on the edge of the hole, stop and jam it he rest. It has to be a match for the bearing groove.
Good luck.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic

Willem Kroes
 

Thank you Alexandre!

 

Do you know where I can buy the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc reduction gear boxes?

 

Best regards,

 

Willem Kroes

 

SM#351 KAVANGA

 

Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Verzonden: zondag 2 december 2018 15:16
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic

 

 

No, the SM2K had the Leroy Somer.
Here is a comparaison:
http://www.nikimat.com/furler_transmission_leroy_somer_vs_bonfiglioli.html

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 12/2/18, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bonfiglioli Main Furler Schematic
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, December 2, 2018, 7:45 AM


 













Hi Robin,

 
Do you
know if these gear boxes are also applicable on Super
Maramu’s?

 
Best
regards,

 
Willem
Kroes

 
SM#351
KAVANGA
Berthed
in Cartagena, Murcia, Spain

 

 


Swivel Ball Stopper Plugs

Ian Shepherd
 

Have stripped my forestay swivel I found that both my ball stopper plugs were missing. Without these plugs the plastic balls will get a hammering as they pass the insertion hole. Amel tell me that these plugs are not available as a spare and that I should use some silicone to plug the holes. I am not happy with that solution as the balls need to have a smooth shaped surface to run over and silicone may well clog up the ball race.

My idea is to buy some 10mm nylon or wood dowelling and carefully file the plugs to the correct shape on the ball race side and to file a ridge in the other end so that it cannot twist once inserted. The ridge would sit in the slot in the carbon fibre sleeve.

I am disappointed that Amel do not sell an overhaul kit consisting of new ball bearings complete with a new sleeve and a new set of ball stopper plugs.

If anyone has another solution, please let me know.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Cyprus