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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
greatketch@...
Not just BAD advice in practice, but illegal as well.
The ColRegs require you to use "all available means" to avoid collision. If you are on a boat and are involved in any kind of incident and the installed radar was not turned on, you ARE at fault. This is not a theoretical legal issue, but one that every USCG incident investigator knows and understands. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
Craig,
Below is really bad advice. Please don’t sail this way. It is irresponsible.
On Cream Puff we run radar at night (even in a full moon) and have a Class A AIS that overlays onto our NobelTec Time Zero Navigation Computer and chart display (of which we have a mirror backup system). The AIS has an alarm and sounds until silenced when any target is within five miles. Any vessel with a 2 mile CPA or less we hail via VHF to ensure we are both aware of each other’s COG and discuss who may alter course if needed to ensure we pass safely. i.e. recently asked a large freighter to adjust 10 degrees to port since we had 40 knot winds and the captain was very accommodating and saved us from having to tack (we were willing to tack, and we had the right of way, but his flexibility was greatly appreciated).
I just cannot imagine sailing with my eyes closed. That is just plain crazy.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
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amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is
Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS.. Instead the AIS
displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I
do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d
rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather
have AIS than radar.)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
Jeff, Exactly. And, who better to make this point. You are the only member of the Amel Owners Group that is also a lifelong commercial fisherman owning more than one boat, and experienced a loss. I believe in owning and using commonly available technology to reduce Risk of damage of property and physical injury which may occur on my boat, or others involved. I also believe 100% of Marine Insurance companies believe the same. Today, I believe that in a collision, you would be liable for physical loss and personal injuries, if you choose to navigate without Radar, VHF, and an AIS transceiver. And, just a reminder, anything any member posts in this group is publicly accessible by interested parties, such as your insurance carrier. I am sure they will not bother to access this information unless you have a loss. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
Richard Middleton <middleton@...>
Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS. Instead the AIS displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather have AIS than radar.)
Regards Richard M
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Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Thank you Roque and Nick.
Much appreciated. Sent from my iPhone X
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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
C&G, I've got the B&G NAIS400 (2 years old) and it does, indeed, like the newer 500 model, have its own GPS, as you note the Vesper does. The GPS antenna is a "mushroom" dome which I've mounted on the dashboard and that can be selected as the system source of GPS, although I get great reception from the built in GPS's on the Zeus's (7" on dash (-9" would be a bit better) and 12" below). I've got got a dedicated AIS (NAIS) antenna on the mizzen. Have never noticed any issue with limited range, although I've not got a comparison of a main mast mounted antenna. Sounds like you've got an excellent plan. Th Zeus 12" below is a great supplement to the cockpit unit.and fits the hole for the old Radar - I did need to replace the mounting bracket knobs with hex head bolts and have to slide the adjacent panels out a bit before removing the radar - not a big deal. Certainly a tablet would do the trick and may be even a little more convenient as you can be anywhere and do all that you could with the Zeus 12", except autopilot, but you're not going to do that from below anyway. Best piece of our system is the Wireless Remote Bluetooth Autopilot Controller (WR10/BT-1 ). We rarely sit at the helm any more and just sit comfortably around the cockpit using a small tablet to check the chart, or just pop up now and then and scan the MFD. We've also got a Triton 10 and the H5000 displays in the holes of the old sytem, so we can see the key items like depth, speed and wind from a distance, as The Captain intended. :-) With 20-20 hindsight I think I'd get a different brand VHF. The B&G is a bit clunky to operate with odd button sequences and ours kept jumping to a weather station by itself, which required a factory replacement, although that is likely an isolated incident. That the handset is wireless is great, and that is available in other brands. Odds and ends: I see they now have a wireless masthead unit and a paddlewhee-less speed transducer, which looks interesting if you're building the system from scratch. Cheers, Craig SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <carpathia3@...> wrote : Many thanks for your advice, Alan, Mark, Craig, AIan and Richard, very helpful. Mark and Ian: I am tempted by the redundancy of a second antenna, but does the 5m difference in height make any noticeable difference for the AIS transponder? I guess this should be compared with the loss coming from the splitter. Again, assuming this makes any difference at all. Craig, I should have been more precise: the Vesper AIS I intend to buy is the XB8000, which is indeed blackbox, no screen. Preference over the NAIS500 because it has GPS, again for redundancy. I want to install a Zeus3 9” MFD at the helm and will view the AIS info on the Zeus. At some stage later, replace the Furuno radar by a B&G 4G. For chart table visualisation of all NMEA2000 info, I would start with tablet through wifi from the Zeus (any counter advice there?) to save the immediate expense of a second MFD. Plus a computer connection from the USB port of the Vesper. There is the Paris boat show starting this weekend, so will follow your advice and approach a couple of manufacturers, probably B&G and Garmin. Indeed a fun project! I have developed a tentative multi-year evolution plan, but am sure to have many more questions! Cheers, Cathy & Guillaume s/v Carpathia III – SM2K #293
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 SSB installation
Roque
Nick is right! Mizzen Backstay: 7 mm and 15025mm Em dom, 9 de dez de 2018 às 05:34, Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> escreveu:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 SSB installation
Hi Dean,
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I just checked, the mizzen backstay is 7mm 1X19. Not sure on the length but about 15m. The expense is not an extra metre or two of wire but the fittings especially the two insulators. I just came back home from a quick visit to Amelia and had a wonder around the marina. Very few sailing boats use whip antenna’s. It is a motor boat thing normally. I noticed a few quality yachts such as an Oyster 56 and a very smart Dutch aluminium proper voyaging boat, built for high latitude sailing. They both used the same insulated backstay system for their HF radios as I use on Amelia. Nick Amelia hull 019 Aml 54 La Palma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Dean, you are referring to the mizzen backstay I assume?
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if so it is not 10mm, more like 7mm. I will check my records Nick
On 9 Dec 2018, at 02:03, Roque Reis ediroque@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Roque
Hi According to Owner Manual: Diameter: 10mm lengh. Total. 19645 mm Rgds Roque Attika A54 # 117 Paraty
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Re: Amel54 SSB installation
Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna! Many thanks Dean SY Stella A54#154
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Re: Cuba
sbmesasailor
We landed in Cienfuegas in May 2017 after fooling around in Jardines de la Reina for a few days to snorkel (prior to checking into the country). We were unmolested while in Jardines de la Reina and Marlin Marina in Cienfuegas was very nice. It was small and a little hard to get to but the facilities and management were great. Customs and immigration were the most thorough we had ever experienced but they were not antagonistic or corrupt (expecting handouts). We took a road trip to Havana (chartered a taxi which wasn't that expensive) and really enjoyed it. Our only surprize was how difficult it was to get cash and everything has to be done in cash as Cuba doesn't accept US credit cards and there are no ATM machines. Take plenty of US dollars to exchange to Cuban pesos or have plenty of currency converted before you go. Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu 121
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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
greatketch@...
I'll add another vote for a second antenna on the mizzen I have used an AIS with a splitter and never noticed a performance problem, but having a back up antenna is a good thing. It is the way Harmonie came to us, and we would not change it.
As for the performance of an AIS antenna at mizzen mast height, that's where ours is. We routinely see Class A AIS broadcasts from 50 nautical miles away. Class B broadcasts with their lower power are broadcast power limited, not line of sight. We expect to see a Class B transmitter by the time it is 10 miles away. Since we have a Class B transceiver, our expectation is that other vessels will not see us at a range of greater than 10 nautical miles. This is also not going to be affected by antenna height. I imagine we could get a little increase in Class B receiving and transmitting range with a higher gain antenna, but probably not doubling it. While theoretically, an antenna at the mainmast head will increase the receiving range for a Class A AIS, in the real world increasing the range beyond 50 miles, this not likely to be of any real world use. In fact, our MFD can not effectively display AIS targets at that range. Your instrument upgrade path will can be a fun one! We are just approaching the end of that path, and it is nice having a system that does everything we want it to do. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46
eric freedman
Hi, I cannot tell you how Amel wired your lighting. I would start by finding the circuit breaker that controls that light and see if it working. However I had a similar problem on Kimberlite in my forward cabin. The wire started in a cabinet in the forward cabin. I had to lift up the glued down material, As I followed the wire I stuck a straight pin into the wire to measure the voltage between the wire and the ground wire. The wire did not have voltage under the material. I then followed the wire along the moldings that ran along the cabin side. They routed out the molding to accommodate the wire. Still nothing under that piece of molding. The wire continued under a piece of molding that ran across the cabin top inside. I finally found a break in the wire and fixed it.
In other areas of the boat I see that they ran wires under the headliner. I would start by checking the breaker and then tracing the wire. It will probably follow a similar path as I have described either under molding or headliner or other fabric. They were quite cleaver in routing these wires. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 9:11 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46
Yes mine as well from the salon main panel however I discovered more breakers....
If you haven't done any electrical work I find it odd that the positive leg is dead...zero volts right?
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 8:18 AM Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
Many thanks for your advice, Alan, Mark, Craig, AIan and Richard, very helpful. Mark and Ian: I am tempted by the redundancy of a second antenna, but does the 5m difference in height make any noticeable difference for the AIS transponder? I guess this should be compared with the loss coming from the splitter. Again, assuming this makes any difference at all. Craig, I should have been more precise: the Vesper AIS I intend to buy is the XB8000, which is indeed blackbox, no screen. Preference over the NAIS500 because it has GPS, again for redundancy. I want to install a Zeus3 9” MFD at the helm and will view the AIS info on the Zeus. At some stage later, replace the Furuno radar by a B&G 4G. For chart table visualisation of all NMEA2000 info, I would start with tablet through wifi from the Zeus (any counter advice there?) to save the immediate expense of a second MFD. Plus a computer connection from the USB port of the Vesper. There is the Paris boat show starting this weekend, so will follow your advice and approach a couple of manufacturers, probably B&G and Garmin. Indeed a fun project! I have developed a tentative multi-year evolution plan, but am sure to have many more questions! Cheers, Cathy & Guillaume s/v Carpathia III – SM2K #293
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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter
Hi Richard,
I had not picked up on that, nor that the Vesper Blue Box is also a Wi-fi router. Does your IPad also include chart and radar along with the Vesper's AIS, as the B&G system does? With B&G, and I'm sure the other major players, Garmin and Flir/Raymarine, an Ipad or other smart device can act exactly like another controlling MFD except for autopilot control. Cheers, Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <middleton@...> wrote : Craig might not know this but Vesper does sell both a black box AIS transponder and one with a display. I’ve gone with the Vesper 'black' box - BTW it’s blue not black! - on my NMEA 2000 network. The blue box repeats the NMEA info on its Wi-fi. So I get an AIS display on my iPad, as well as on a chart plotter. regards Richard Maybe Amel someday, currently HR 35 Rasmus.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan Generator
Heinz Stutenbaeumer
Thanks to all. I had to go back to Germany for Christmas and new year. So I cannot try all off your Ideas in the moment.
Fair Winds Heinz SM 2000 Quetzal 292
Von: amelyachtowners@...
Hi Heinz, It is the same way as your engine mounted alternators have to be excited. Properly wired it happens when you turn the start key on. I guess it should work the same with the gen set. With your alternator if the exciting circuit is faulty the excitation can occur by reving your engine. This result tells you the alternator is OK and it is the excitation circuit where the fault lies. So perhaps your problem is in the excitation circuit Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 09:17, 'Stutenbaeumer.Berlin' heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46
amelforme
Although I am not absolutely certain about the last two years of Maramu production, Maramus previous had three breakers for the interior lights. Forward cabin lights had a breaker on the drop open panel with the mast light breakers. Saloon lights on the main 12 volt DC panel adjacent to the companionway and the aft cabin with a single breaker most commonly mounted on the vertical panel with the open storage compartments just behind the marine toilet. As you face this panel, it is usually in the upper left hand part of that area.
Let us know what you discover…
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 7:19 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46
I have never seen a CB for the aft cabin lights. They always operate with the main cabin lights CB on the 12v panel. It's a Maramu, not a Super Maramu and may well be simpler.
Kind regards
Graham Jamesby Maramu 46 #240
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, 11:13 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46
John Clark
Yes mine as well from the salon main panel however I discovered more breakers.... If you haven't done any electrical work I find it odd that the positive leg is dead...zero volts right?
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 8:18 AM Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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