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Alan Leslie
 

Hello all,

I've made a start by creating a spreadsheet with information gleaned from forum messages.

It is obviously incomplete and may in some case be incorrect.

I've posted it in the files section.

Please feel free to add and / or correct details for your vessel.

I think that should be possible.


Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 Opua


Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

Alan Leslie
 

Seahawk 44 contains tin.
Tin in antifouling paints is banned everywhere in the world (except the Caribbean) because of the damage it does to the marine environment.
There has been a discussion on this previously in the forum.
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

You can also buy Seahawk 44 (much better & not available in the states))  in the in the Caribbean. Golden Hind in Tortola has it.  Also available in Trinidad. I get 4 years of use with it without a lot of cleaning.  The Seahawk 44 TF is sold in the states and can applied over the standard Seahawk 44. Excellent bottom paint.

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN 24

Annapolis

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

 

 

How many gallons of paint does it take for two coats generally and a third coat at the waterline?  For Biocop TF, Seahawk specifies 331 sf/gallon, so at 53' by an average of 12 feet (my guess) it would be 636sf/coat.  That would be two gallons per coat, so a total of 5 gallons?

 

Seahawk recommended Biocop TF for both hard and soft growth in the Caribbean, and it will paint over the Seahawk CuKote I have now.  They recommend this as an improvement over the Islands 77.

 

It appears to be available at Budget Marine, so it seems I don't need to buy it in the States and carry it down to the Carib.  Can anyone comment on paint availability down there?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

 

I did this 5 times with Micron. 20 liters.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 11:40 sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

How many gallons of paint does it take for two coats generally and a third coat at the waterline?  For Biocop TF, Seahawk specifies 331 sf/gallon, so at 53' by an average of 12 feet (my guess) it would be 636sf/coat.  That would be two gallons per coat, so a total of 5 gallons?


Seahawk recommended Biocop TF for both hard and soft growth in the Caribbean, and it will paint over the Seahawk CuKote I have now.  They recommend this as an improvement over the Islands 77.

It appears to be available at Budget Marine, so it seems I don't need to buy it in the States and carry it down to the Carib.  Can anyone comment on paint availability down there?


Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

Duane Siegfri
 

How many gallons of paint does it take for two coats generally and a third coat at the waterline?  For Biocop TF, Seahawk specifies 331 sf/gallon, so at 53' by an average of 12 feet (my guess) it would be 636sf/coat.  That would be two gallons per coat, so a total of 5 gallons?

Seahawk recommended Biocop TF for both hard and soft growth in the Caribbean, and it will paint over the Seahawk CuKote I have now.  They recommend this as an improvement over the Islands 77.

It appears to be available at Budget Marine, so it seems I don't need to buy it in the States and carry it down to the Carib.  Can anyone comment on paint availability down there?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

Mark Erdos
 

Not sure who this is asking but,

 

It will take 5 US Gal cans to do as you ask.

 

Asking about taking or buying paint to the Carib is not really a question that can be answered. Where in the Carib? The term Carib covers a pretty vast area. If you are in the USA, I would seriously consider buying paint and carrying with you on the boat. Paint is available but depending which island you are on can be 1.3x the price of the USA. There are some other sources besides Budget, but again it depends on where you are going.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

 

 

How many gallons of paint does it take for two coats generally and a third coat at the waterline?  For Biocop TF, Seahawk specifies 331 sf/gallon, so at 53' by an average of 12 feet (my guess) it would be 636sf/coat.  That would be two gallons per coat, so a total of 5 gallons?

 

Seahawk recommended Biocop TF for both hard and soft growth in the Caribbean, and it will paint over the Seahawk CuKote I have now.  They recommend this as an improvement over the Islands 77.

 

It appears to be available at Budget Marine, so it seems I don't need to buy it in the States and carry it down to the Carib.  Can anyone comment on paint availability down there?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 Kincsem

Robert Giroux
 

Hi Joerg,

 

Bet there’s an interesting story behind the naming of your 55, since it’s hull 53 and Kincsem had 54 victories. 😊  53, 54, 55…

 

 

Regards,

Future AMEL owner

Robert Giroux

(202)262-5828

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 Kincsem

 

 

No 53. USA flagged.

Joerg Esdorn

Mobile +1-914-707-1814


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 Kincsem

 

Joerg,

Welcome back to the group.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 22:21 J HE jhe1313@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

No 53. USA flagged.

Joerg Esdorn

Mobile +1-914-707-1814


Amel 55 Kincsem

Joerg Esdorn
 

No 53. USA flagged.

Joerg Esdorn



Mobile +1-914-707-1814


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

karkauai
 

I have Jackline Policy with the Gowrie Group.  It’s expensive, but few companies are willing to cover now.
Here’s the contact info:

Rachel Sloan

Jackline Account Manager

International Marine Insurance Services by Gowrie Group

522 Chesapeake Ave, Annapolis, MD 21403

p: 410.364.7707  f: 410.827.3758

rachel.imis@...

www.gowrie.com/imis


Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:12 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"

That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  

Can this be correct?

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom job prior to the Panama Canal

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi All,

The duty free zone is more a myth than a reality in Panama.

Also BEWARE of the shipper you use in Panama.  DHL uses the local postal system and it is useless.  Deliveries by UPS work much better.

JP Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007,
Opua, NZ

On 12 Dec 2018, at 21:17, herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


bottom paint: you can order AF in Panama at Marine Warehouse, Arturo, in Panama City. He delivers to Shelter Bay. you can also buy AF in the duty free zone in Colon.

herbert, SN120





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom job prior to the Panama Canal

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

I had Islands 44 Plus Hard put on in Trinidad, and was worried after reading some misleading information that the boat would not be allowed into New Zealand.  But, Islands 44 Plus Hard can not be sold in New Zealand or Australia.  SeaHawk has introduced Islands 44 TF which can be painted over the Islands 44 Plus Hard, and I carried 3 gallons to New Zealand onboard.   Islands 44 TF should be legal in New Zealand because Sea Hawk removed the Tin.  TF=Tin Free.   

Just make sure you put something on the bottom that you can either get everywhere you are going, or carry your paint onboard.

Regarding batteries.  Look into LiFePO4 batteries.  Last much longer, 1/3 the weight, and better for the environment.  Check out Battleborn Batteries.  Home - Battle Born Batteries






Just some things to think about.

Aquarius
SM2K#262
Currently in BOI New Zealand

Ken





On Wednesday, December 12, 2018, 9:17:32 PM GMT+13, herbert@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

bottom paint: you can order AF in Panama at Marine Warehouse, Arturo, in Panama City. He delivers to Shelter Bay. you can also buy AF in the duty free zone in Colon.

herbert, SN120



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

 

Good, let us know.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 11:53 John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Bill you are a mind reader, that is exactly my response to them.  Still awaiting their reply.  ;)


On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:40 AM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Maybe you've thought about this: Ask them if they will cover if you change your vessel home port and your address to St. John, Virgin Islands.

If this works, contact Connections in St John connections"at"islands.vi . It is a mail service owned by an ex-cruiser. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 10:19 john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi All, so Y-Yachts reports that cannot insure the vessel because it is "domiciled" in the US...even though the vessel is not physically located in the US.  See below:

Hi John,

Thank you for your email, we apologise for any confusion.  It used to be that this was a way of offering coverage, however underwriters are no longer able to cover in this regard.  The registration and domicile of the insured now has overriding power.  If for example the vessel was registered elsewhere, with a non-US address, then underwriters may be able to be of assistance. 

This is also the case with other registered/domiciled countries, such as Australia.

With TopSail  during the last two years they made it clear that the vessel should be located outside the US and that coverage would not cover keeping the vessel in the US for any length of time.  Apparently something is changing.  

    John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

John Clark
 

Bill you are a mind reader, that is exactly my response to them.  Still awaiting their reply.  ;)


On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:40 AM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Maybe you've thought about this: Ask them if they will cover if you change your vessel home port and your address to St. John, Virgin Islands.

If this works, contact Connections in St John connections"at"islands.vi . It is a mail service owned by an ex-cruiser. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 10:19 john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi All, so Y-Yachts reports that cannot insure the vessel because it is "domiciled" in the US...even though the vessel is not physically located in the US.  See below:

Hi John,

Thank you for your email, we apologise for any confusion.  It used to be that this was a way of offering coverage, however underwriters are no longer able to cover in this regard.  The registration and domicile of the insured now has overriding power.  If for example the vessel was registered elsewhere, with a non-US address, then underwriters may be able to be of assistance. 

This is also the case with other registered/domiciled countries, such as Australia.

With TopSail  during the last two years they made it clear that the vessel should be located outside the US and that coverage would not cover keeping the vessel in the US for any length of time.  Apparently something is changing.  

    John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

 

John,

Maybe you've thought about this: Ask them if they will cover if you change your vessel home port and your address to St. John, Virgin Islands.

If this works, contact Connections in St John connections"at"islands.vi . It is a mail service owned by an ex-cruiser. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 10:19 john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi All, so Y-Yachts reports that cannot insure the vessel because it is "domiciled" in the US...even though the vessel is not physically located in the US.  See below:

Hi John,

Thank you for your email, we apologise for any confusion.  It used to be that this was a way of offering coverage, however underwriters are no longer able to cover in this regard.  The registration and domicile of the insured now has overriding power.  If for example the vessel was registered elsewhere, with a non-US address, then underwriters may be able to be of assistance. 

This is also the case with other registered/domiciled countries, such as Australia.

With TopSail  during the last two years they made it clear that the vessel should be located outside the US and that coverage would not cover keeping the vessel in the US for any length of time.  Apparently something is changing.  

    John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

John Clark
 

Hi All, so Y-Yachts reports that cannot insure the vessel because it is "domiciled" in the US...even though the vessel is not physically located in the US.  See below:

Hi John,

Thank you for your email, we apologise for any confusion.  It used to be that this was a way of offering coverage, however underwriters are no longer able to cover in this regard.  The registration and domicile of the insured now has overriding power.  If for example the vessel was registered elsewhere, with a non-US address, then underwriters may be able to be of assistance. 

This is also the case with other registered/domiciled countries, such as Australia.

With TopSail  during the last two years they made it clear that the vessel should be located outside the US and that coverage would not cover keeping the vessel in the US for any length of time.  Apparently something is changing.  

    John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I agree, and this is a pity because that will kill the cruiser business in the Caribbean. Already 1.5 years ago Island Water World Marina was telling me, they had much less boats.
Most remaining boats will be the uninsurable ones or from people who don’t care.

For those still insured who’s storm preparation has changed (like Bill was mentioning) 12 concrete blocks of 5000 lbs, you need to seriously study the possibility to achieve this. And if you can not what will happen. Your policy will likely be void, so in short you are paying extra insurance for nothing.

On my policy it said clearly: “failure to remove all sails will result in the policy VOID”.

Do not take that lightly.
Keep in mind Rafael on SM#246 who did not remove his bimini nor BBQ and had 31% removed from the settlement.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 12/11/18, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 9:33 PM


 









Hi Alex,. No I think there visit an
industry wide avoidance of insurance for Caribbean right
now.  I am working through it and will report findings
...
On Tue, Dec
11, 2018, 6:33 PM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
wrote:















 









I hope you never face that choice.

When I went back to St Bart, the Gustavia Harbour told me
(for Hurricane Irma) many sailors, (some I met), left and
were never seen again.



May be they are dropping you because you asked too many
smart questions about “really” insured for “agreed”
value, without any argument…

My insurance still will not reimbursed “agreed” value,
but they are raising the “market” value. I should know
more next week.



Alexandre



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On Tue, 12/11/18, john.biohead@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for
the Caribbean

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 3:41 PM





 



















Hi Alex, yes saw Bill's and others

discussions.  My primary game plan for a storm is to
run. 

If I am stuck  someplace I guess I will do my best in

place...it is all anyone can do.  

On coverage outside of country: 

TopSail UK has covered me since I bought Annie,
registered

in US and insured from UK.  They said it was not an
issue

as long as the vessel did not "reside" in the

US.  Documentation there was OK but staying there was

not.   I have a bunch of feelers out right now and
have

questions into TopSail to better figure out the

issue.


Re: more insurance games for the Caribbean

Ian Park
 

John
Don’t know if you are a member of the OCC. If so, I would take this up with OCC America rep as Topsail are the OCC sponsoring insurers. If not, I know a number of Amels are members and maybe someone could pick this issue up for you. I guess we all expected some insurance reaction after Irma, but this sounds drastic - especially for everyone in the yachting industry on the islands.....
Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Bottom job prior to the Panama Canal

Herbert Lackner
 

bottom paint: you can order AF in Panama at Marine Warehouse, Arturo, in Panama City. He delivers to Shelter Bay. you can also buy AF in the duty free zone in Colon.

herbert, SN120