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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yahoo Group Amel Register

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Brent, that is a truly impressive list.
I can only view it online in google docs.
I would suggest we use your list and add extra tabs for the different models.
I'm not familiar with Google docs, and Excel sheet on my desktop is easiest for me.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Alan Leslie
 

Bernard Ancelle in France makes a direct replacement for the Super Maramu genoa toe pulley in PETP which is very chemically resistant (particularly to sea water), does not absorb water, resists UV and has good mechanical properties.

The combination of plastics device and stainless screws would not be subjected to corrosion as the original alloy pulley.

And they are only Eu60 each plus shipping.

I have posted Bernard's instruction manual in the files section.

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yahoo Group Amel Register

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Alan. I really hope that I didn’t upset you. It wasn’t my intention to take over this list or supplant the work you have done, as I already know how much considerable effort it took to do that. My point was that I had spent a lot of time worrying about how much of this to release and by publishing it in an easily extracted format, unscrupulous people could use it for mailing lists and the like. It really doesn’t matter to me whether we use your list or mine or someone else’s but the issues remain. I have published a scrubbed version of my list that somewhat mirrors yours. You have information on non Super Maramu boats that I do not have in my list as when I created mine, it was for my personal use only. I also did not track the owner’s email ID’s as I had no use for that and I already have all of the Amel owner’s I have met in my contact book. I offer up my work to the group (and you personally if you would like to take over the management of it). I offered my time on it as I was happy to give something back to this excellent group of dedicated owners who have shared so much in my education on these fine boats.

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner
Amel SM or SN Bow Thruster Foot Replacement

CW Bill Rouse
 

I remember someone posting about having the foot fabricated. 

I have some questions for you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo Group Amel Register

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alan,

I hauled out after merely 2 weeks in the berth… the veggies were far too prolific!  

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua… on the hard.


On 16 Dec 2018, at 18:48, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks JP


I haven't used any services in Opua yet
All I can suggest is :


which you probably received when you arrived.


I won't be back on the boat until end of January. Hope to catch up with you then.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..G21 Opua
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

Brent Cameron
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Rink De Haan
 

Sure Leo

Please find photos as attachments. 
They are expensive for sure but will last longer than the originals. 
Direct bonding on stainless steel not advisable but gasket and anti corrosive grease will do. 

Of course everyone is free to choose and have his own preferred solution. 

Regards
Rink

Van: amelyachtowners@... namens Leo Hauer leopold.hauer@... [amelyachtowners]
Verzonden: zondag, december 16, 2018 3:08 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Hi Rink,

Can you upload a foto?

Leo
SM Yinyang #69 Shelterbay

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.12.2018 um 04:20 schrieb Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Dear all,

The toe pulley is available from Amel again. 
They now make them of aluminium and they cost €213 a piece (actually in two parts).
I received 2 of them a couple of weeks ago.

Best regards,
Rink
Amel SM2K #330
Van:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com namenscarcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag, december 15, 2018 8:29 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Truncated mail address part missed is: kohlhoff-online.de

Gerhard
Sharki #60
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Rink,

Can you upload a foto?

Leo
SM Yinyang #69 Shelterbay

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.12.2018 um 04:20 schrieb Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Dear all,

The toe pulley is available from Amel again. 
They now make them of aluminium and they cost €213 a piece (actually in two parts).
I received 2 of them a couple of weeks ago.

Best regards,
Rink
Amel SM2K #330
Van: amelyachtowners@... namens carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag, december 15, 2018 8:29 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Truncated mail address part missed is: kohlhoff-online.de

Gerhard
Sharki #60
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Dear all,

Aluminium on stainless .... is NONSENSES !

The price of 213 euros in non reasonable !

JL Mertz on CottonBay

Le 16/12/2018 10:20, Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] a crit:

Dear all,

The toe pulley is available from Amel again.
They now make them of aluminium and they cost 213 a piece (actually in two parts).
I received 2 of them a couple of weeks ago.

Best regards,
Rink
Amel SM2K #330
Van: amelyachtowners@... namens carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners]
Verzonden: zaterdag, december 15, 2018 8:29 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
Truncated mail address part missed is: kohlhoff-online.de

Gerhard
Sharki #60

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Rink De Haan
 

Dear all,

The toe pulley is available from Amel again. 
They now make them of aluminium and they cost €213 a piece (actually in two parts).
I received 2 of them a couple of weeks ago.

Best regards,
Rink
Amel SM2K #330
Van: amelyachtowners@... namens carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners]
Verzonden: zaterdag, december 15, 2018 8:29 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Truncated mail address part missed is: kohlhoff-online.de

Gerhard
Sharki #60
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo Group Amel Register

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks JP

I haven't used any services in Opua yet
All I can suggest is :


which you probably received when you arrived.


I won't be back on the boat until end of January. Hope to catch up with you then.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..G21 Opua
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo Group Amel Register

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Well done Alan,

We too are in Opua.  Would you know a good sander/painter to repair some errors on the Coppercoat.  Now on the hard.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua NZ



On 15 Dec 2018, at 17:47, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello all,

I've made a start by creating a spreadsheet with information gleaned from forum messages.

It is obviously incomplete and may in some case be incorrect.

I've posted it in the files section.

Please feel free to add and / or correct details for your vessel.

I think that should be possible.


Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 Opua
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Description : Yacht register

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

Ian Townsend
 

Just a caution. I had to paint in the US after using Islands 44 in the Caribbean. On Seahawk's advice, I applied SeaHawk Biocop with a primer coat over Islands 44 (which was fantastic). It was a disaster. Copper-based paint will not adhere properly to a tin- based paint, regardless of primer. I had to strip everything off and start anew. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA

On Dec 14, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You can also buy Seahawk 44 (much better & not available in the states))  in the in the Caribbean. Golden Hind in Tortola has it.  Also available in Trinidad. I get 4 years of use with it without a lot of cleaning.  The Seahawk 44 TF is sold in the states and can applied over the standard Seahawk 44. Excellent bottom paint.

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN 24

Annapolis

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Micron 66 Caribbean experience

 

 

How many gallons of paint does it take for two coats generally and a third coat at the waterline?  For Biocop TF, Seahawk specifies 331 sf/gallon, so at 53' by an average of 12 feet (my guess) it would be 636sf/coat.  That would be two gallons per coat, so a total of 5 gallons?

 

Seahawk recommended Biocop TF for both hard and soft growth in the Caribbean, and it will paint over the Seahawk CuKote I have now.  They recommend this as an improvement over the Islands 77.

 

It appears to be available at Budget Marine, so it seems I don't need to buy it in the States and carry it down to the Carib.  Can anyone comment on paint availability down there?
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel

Courtney Gorman
 

Excellent advice from Bill there will always be repair’s but a well used boat is generally in better condition than a long ‘rested ‘ one
Cheers 🍻

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel

greatketch@...
 

Since this disaster of a boat has a listing on Yachtworld, we'll probably keep being asked about it.

I have already had two people ask me about it outside the forum, and gave them basically the same answer Bill R did, although I might have been a touch less colorful in my language.

Just say "NO" to trashed boats.

If you are in the market for a boat, please consider the following.  Like all "rules" there are always exceptions, but I firmly believe there is more truth to this than not...

I used to give a very popular seminar on "how to buy a boat."  Here is one short except from it on the topic of "cheap" boats....

Bill's Fourth Rule of Boat Buying Happiness: Spend more and get a bargain.


You likely would not believe this if you heard it from a yacht broker trying to sell you a boat. If you hear it from me, hopefully you accept it as containing more than a grain of truth.


It is a little understood, and rarely articulated, fact that the REAL bargains in the boat world are closer to the top of the market than the bottom.  Why?  Boat buying in the internet age is very close to a world-wide market.  Boats in poor condition drive down the price of those in excellent shape.  


Boat repairs are very expensive and time consuming, And they are famously difficult to forecast--even for experts.  The cost of repairs are NEVER properly deducted from the price of the derelict or neglected boat.  In the same way, all the work, time, love, care, and MONEY that were put into the top-shelf, super Bristol, best of her type, boat are never recovered in the final sale. Spend $50,000 on a 50 foot boat, you will probably have bought yourself a money pit nightmare that will haunt you for years.  Spend the same money on a 35 foot boat, and you might just have a new sweetheart.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, Fl, USA

Days away from sailing away... We hope!
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel

james Hosford
 

Thanks Bill!!!!


On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry, I left off the words, "in my opinion.."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:08 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Yashar is absolutely the worst repair of a twice totaled Amel on this planet. It doesn't have Amel masts and the bulkheads are cracked behind the sloppy repair job. 

Survey, Ha!

Forget about it.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:57 Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel

james Hosford
 

To many boats out there fo 2 without those major problems



On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:21 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay, that is PAPA II.  She floats.. is about all I can say 

She was reportedly crushed when another boat fell on her in the yard.  Later she got stuck on a rock jetty and had the keel ballast.. along with the bottom of the water talk torn off.  
The repair on the keel left her with a keel 6" shorter than spec.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:57 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel

CW Bill Rouse
 

I can't believe this twice totaled and poorly repaired ex-Amel keeps popping up! 

Regrettably, someone will buy this wreck based on the reputation of Amel, only to find it is not really an Amel anymore. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:21 John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Jay, that is PAPA II.  She floats.. is about all I can say 

She was reportedly crushed when another boat fell on her in the yard.  Later she got stuck on a rock jetty and had the keel ballast.. along with the bottom of the water talk torn off.  
The repair on the keel left her with a keel 6" shorter than spec.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:57 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?
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