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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Mark Erdos
 

Mark,

 

I agree 100%.

 

If someone wishes to collect information about current Amel owners perhaps for the purpose of purchasing one, then they can keep a database on their own machine. I do not believe this was the intent of the group forum and nor should it be in the future. As a moderator, I only have one vote but will take the discussion off-line to discuss with other moderators.

 

Stay tuned.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bernard,

Pardon my ignorance. What does TY!!! mean

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 19 December 2018 at 07:13 "bernard lawson bernardlawson665@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

TY!!!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

 

 


 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

bernard lawson
 

TY!!!


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

Amel 54 stability data

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Does anyone have the AVS and STIX numbers or/and GZ curves for the Amel 54 and 55 and the new 50.


Nick


Amelia (Aml 54 nr 019)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Teun BAAS
 

In reference to below Email:

 

Realizing that a lot of the information can be found on line I do agree with Mark that it should not be this easily centralized and a level of some privacy should remain.

 

Best Regards Teun BAAS

 

AMELIT  A54  #128

Dec 18, 2018   10:34:00

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 10:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

James Cromie
 

Mark - do you mean that the original speakers affected your helm compass?  
I noticed that mine is a few degrees off from the "magnetic" reading on my GPS. 

I placed a compass near the speakers (which are original) and the magnet in them is quite strong!

I have a rate compass a couple feet away that is meant for my radar overlay on the chartplotter and I think that might also be affected. 

James

Soteria
Sm2k
347

On Dec 17, 2018 9:50 PM, "mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,

 

I learned a lesson here with the speakers. I found some great sounding 4” DC Gold speakers with good bass but the speaker magnets were so powerful they threw off the compass and I sold them on eBay. I shopped for a long time and finally found a really great replacement pair with magnetic shielding that did not impact the compass. The best part is they sound awesome with a good range and are not too expensive. They will almost fit in the existing cutout from the original speakers. You will need to file the hole just a little bit bigger and drill more screw holes. You will need to fill the old holes with something like MagicEzy. MagicEzy - Cream is a really good color match. Other than that, the fit is pretty close even though they are round.

 

Here is a link:https://www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/speakers/ms-fr4021

 

I have had these for about 4 years and highly recommend them.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Stephano,
You talk about a 7m antenna. Is that an isolated backstay or a whip antenna you are planning to use.
If it’s a whip, can you please share the model number? 

I also agree with what the others have said, the tuner should be in the lazarette, with the minimum cable length between the tuner module and the antenna. This much I have learned recently :-)

Regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick/Alan,
Regarding the connection of the negative 12V battery terminal to the boat’s bonding circuit, I had not considered there was a connection made here.
Alan, could you possibly share a bit more about this connection ? How/where/why is it made? I thought the motor and genset were isolated (always).

Since you indicate the connection is momentary then that should not present a problem.

With regard to discharge of the battery, the 60A is the maximum power consumption on highest power (probably FSK) transmit. Typical receive power is 4-6A. Given typical operation (short tx long rx) I am fairly confident that a 20A DC-DC module would keep the battery healthy - remember it runs all the time, not just when using the SSB.
What do you think?

Nick, I had actually considered mounting the transceiver in the lazarette too. The M801E is a sealed conduction-cooled unit, quite different than the M802. Longer power cables, but less possibility for interference.

However, if you and others don’t have problems when running that long RF signal cable in that conduit, the location of the unit on the chart table shelf is goood by me.

Thanks to you both for the advice and guidance.

Cheers
Dean

SY Stella
A54-154

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Stephano.
The Tuner should be as  close as possible to the aerial so the lazurette is the place. Also the bottom insulator for the aerial should be above head height so you remove the risk of electric shock when transmitting. No  chance of an accidental hand hold.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 18/12/2018 20:52, "Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear all, I’m going to install a new ICOM hf, should be a 7100 with pactor available in Italy. I will install a 7 mt antenna starboard, close to the EMEK marine solar panel arch. My question is: did you install the tuner inside the stern lazarette or just inside the cabin? I’am wondering about the different humidity between the places.
Thanks for your time

Stefano Biffi
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Italy
(Dry dock Bocca di Magra river)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

ngtnewington Newington
 

Dean,

The transceiver unit is fixed outboard of the chart table seat on the shelf. The tuner is located on the starboard side of the lazarette locker. The distance between the tuner and the antenna must be kept as short as possible.

This arrangement works fine, and is common practice on sailing yachts. in terms of humidity, the tuner is in a sealed box. Mine has been there for 12 years without problem.

I also installed a solar arch with double wind generators. The cables run in the conduit, provided but it is now a tight fit.

Nick

On 18 Dec 2018, at 07:46, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi again NIck,

Where did you locate the M-802 Transceiver Unit?

If somewhere around the chart table area, do you have any RF interference issues with the long signal cable run from the chart table area to the aft lazarette?  Did you have to install any suppression measures?
I suspect there is a dedicated conduit run for this cable but I've  used it already for my solar cables. (I've just realised maybe that additional unused conduit was meant specifically for SSB!).

Cheers
Dean

SY Stella 
Amel 54 #154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

Alan Leslie
 

The negative of the engine start battery is only connected to the bonding system during starting of either the main engine or the Onan  i.e. for seconds at a time.
I don't think that's an issue.
The more important issue is keeping that 12V battery charged up, if as you say you're going to pull 60A from it when you use the radio.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Dave Ritten <ritten.dave@...>
 

Do it in the lazarette. The icom Atu is extremely well sealed and keeping the ground plate and antennae routing as short as possible Is a more important consideration

DaveR
Prospective SM owner 

On 18/12/2018, at 8:52 PM, Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear all, I’m going to install a new ICOM hf, should be a 7100 with pactor available in Italy. I will install a 7 mt antenna starboard, close to the EMEK marine solar panel arch. My question is: did you install the tuner inside the stern lazarette or just inside the cabin? I’am wondering about the different humidity between the places.
Thanks for your time

Stefano Biffi
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Italy
(Dry dock Bocca di Magra river)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit Speakers 4"

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

I have the same speakers. Works very well
Heinz 
SY Quetzal Supermaramu 2000 292



Am 18.12.2018 um 02:39 schrieb 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Steve,

 

I learned a lesson here with the speakers. I found some great sounding 4” DC Gold speakers with good bass but the speaker magnets were so powerful they threw off the compass and I sold them on eBay. I shopped for a long time and finally found a really great replacement pair with magnetic shielding that did not impact the compass. The best part is they sound awesome with a good range and are not too expensive. They will almost fit in the existing cutout from the original speakers. You will need to file the hole just a little bit bigger and drill more screw holes. You will need to fill the old holes with something like MagicEzy. MagicEzy - Cream is a really good color match. Other than that, the fit is pretty close even though they are round.

 

Here is a link:https://www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/speakers/ms-fr4021

 

I have had these for about 4 years and highly recommend them.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cockpit Speakers 4"

 

 

Anyone have good luck replacing their cockpit speakers with a high-quality replacement? Any issue good or bad?

Thanks, 

Steve Bode

SV Intention

Amel SM #117, 1994

 

Hf installation

Stefano Biffi
 

Dear all, I’m going to install a new ICOM hf, should be a 7100 with pactor available in Italy. I will install a 7 mt antenna starboard, close to the EMEK marine solar panel arch. My question is: did you install the tuner inside the stern lazarette or just inside the cabin? I’am wondering about the different humidity between the places.
Thanks for your time

Stefano Biffi
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Italy
(Dry dock Bocca di Magra river)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

ngtnewington Newington
 

Dean, 
My only worry with using the engine starting battery for the Icom is the negative ground. 
The radio will be grounded  onto the plate located by the rudder and the power to the radio at the engine. 
Not sure what this implies.
Nick


On 17 Dec 2018, at 11:13, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Nick,
That’s great information. I’ve always hated trying to get that smoke back inside the box!

There are some isolated DCDC converters available which would produce 30A each, so like your system, two would be needed. I don’t much care for the faililure mode you describe. As you say it’s the high voltage that would have blown up the caps (probably electrolytic or tants), and probably some IC’s would not take kindly to overvoltsge, so the fuse would do nothing.
If the same thing happened with a 24V bank being connected via failed DCDC Convertor, to a 12V battery, the first thing that would happen is high current flow, and the fuse would do its job.
The other thing I don’t like about running two DCDC converters go directly power the Icom is the possibility for conducted emission harmonics to interfere with the RF signal. The converters will run switching in the hundreds of kHz, so it doesn’t take many harmonics to start interfering with the MF band.

Your story has lent weight to the the 12V battery based solution.

I could of course install a dedicated battery, and echo charger, but the engine battery is right there begging to be used. I’d change my engine battery to a deep cycle type, but other than that it’s a simple and elegant solution.

Hmm, where’s the gotcha?

Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

Dean Gillies
 

Hi again NIck,
Where did you locate the M-802 Transceiver Unit?

If somewhere around the chart table area, do you have any RF interference issues with the long signal cable run from the chart table area to the aft lazarette?  Did you have to install any suppression measures?
I suspect there is a dedicated conduit run for this cable but I've  used it already for my solar cables. (I've just realised maybe that additional unused conduit was meant specifically for SSB!).

Cheers
Dean

SY Stella 
Amel 54 #154

Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Dean Gillies
 

HI Gents, 
Good work, I'm happy to be added.

SY Stella, Amel 54 Hull No 154, 2010

Cheers
Dean

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 50 Build Thread

Brent Cameron
 

Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

I learned a lesson here with the speakers. I found some great sounding 4” DC Gold speakers with good bass but the speaker magnets were so powerful they threw off the compass and I sold them on eBay. I shopped for a long time and finally found a really great replacement pair with magnetic shielding that did not impact the compass. The best part is they sound awesome with a good range and are not too expensive. They will almost fit in the existing cutout from the original speakers. You will need to file the hole just a little bit bigger and drill more screw holes. You will need to fill the old holes with something like MagicEzy. MagicEzy - Cream is a really good color match. Other than that, the fit is pretty close even though they are round.

 

Here is a link:https://www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/speakers/ms-fr4021

 

I have had these for about 4 years and highly recommend them.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us