Hi Chuck and Dan,

   I chose the Jackline policy from IMIS, finalizing the coverage right now...actually waiting for the bill.   My premium is $4100 USD, probably lower than yours because my boat is older.   Chuck is your boat UK registered?   TopSail told me their underwriters would not cover a US boat in the Caribbean.  

                                            John

SV Annie  SM 37

Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 

Chuck 

Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,.. SM#387

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  

I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 

Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)

I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"

That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  

Can this be correct?

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 

Chuck 

Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  

I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 

Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)

I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"

That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  

Can this be correct?

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  

I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 

Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)

I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"

That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  

Can this be correct?

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

 

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for clarifying - I was wondering about that. Reduction gear geometry is such that you, indeed, can not turn the output shaft - that's what keeps the sail "locked" when you are partially furled, else it would just blow all the way out. (It's not the electric motor providing the "locking" - that will spin freely in either direction with no power applied.)

 

Since you'll have to remove the motor to take it to a shop anyway, I'd suggest you go ahead and remove it and the reduction gear, checking it out as I described, plus, after you separate the motor, you can try turning the reduction gear manually by the input shaft to make sure it is not the problem. You really can't break anything - it's all pretty robust. (Well, you can over torque the thin motor housing bolts - uh, don't do that :-)

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 

Chuck 

Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Chuck, 

Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.

Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388

 

Hi Chuck, 

Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.

Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388

 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388