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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Ian Park
 

Herbert
I bought new end caps from Parts4 Engines. I asked Didier in Le Marin to clean the stack and replace the end caps. On re assembly we found the stack diameter of the new end caps was too small. So we had to put the old ones back. Parts 4 engines said they only stock that size.
There was no separate tube. Just the end cap and a push fit inner part.
Any more info on this would be useful.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

 

Herbert,

I have never seen this rubber sleeve and my Onan parts manual doesn't list the part. 



CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 7:23 AM herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

one of the end caps of the heat exchanger failed, so I had to replace it.  I took the chance to examine and clean the complete system.  I had all spare parts and the engine-repair-manual, so no problem.   but then I found the following in the workshop repair manual (page 110):

...
If a rubber sleeve is used, lubricate it with a little soap solution. Place the sleeve end of the assembly in the housing and carefully insert the sleeve in the hole in the baffle plate Carefully press the pipe ends of the housing until the journal in the housing is correctly positioned inside the end cover. Do not pull the pipe cluster backwards during installation, as this pulls the sleeve out of the baffle plate. Check through the filler opening that the sleeve is positioned correctly in the baffle plate (B)....

But on the inlet of my heat exchanger there was no sleeve installed (I assume that the sleeve will be installed on the baffle plate to make sure that all the cooling liquid gets pumped through the inlet and there is no other way outside the inlet, makeing cooling efficieny better). I have a sleeve as a spare part, but do not know if it shall be installed or not.  Does anyone know if the rubber sleeve has to be installed at the baffle plate?  I am not sure how to understand the wording in the repair manual:

* if a rubber sleeve is used...     does that mean that the installation of the sleeve is optional - or does it mean that it might be another material, not rubber?

without installing the sleeve I would have the same heat exchanger configuration as before. But that might be wrong, with less cooling efficieny...

thx,

herbert
KALI MERA, SN120, Shelter Bay D11





Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Thomas Peacock
 

Unfortunately, not all TMD-22 engines were created equally. There are many flavors. One of the differences between the flavors is the heat exchanger. You may not be able to reliably extrapolate from one boat to another. I wish I could be more specific.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Hi Eric,

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring A54

Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Craig,

if you do not have a sleeve installed then the tube goes through the baffle plate with some space (~1-2  mm) left between the plate and the tube. that means that not all the cooling liquid will run through the heat exchanger, some will circulate just through the space between the tube and the plate. right?

Has anyone installed the sleeve? I was not installed on mine, but it seems to me that it should be installed...  I have a sleeve in my spare parts, just do not know if I make anything better or worse if I install it according to the manual

thx, herbert

Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Herb,
This is probably the answer; from the Parts 4 Engines website: 
Heat exchanger rubber tube stack seal for Perkins Prima M50, fits between the tube stack and the outer casting.  Please note Perkins produced two different diameter tube stacks for use with this engine range.  This seal is compatible with the 54mm ∅ tube stack."
On my 1992 engine I don't have that.
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl


---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote :

one of the end caps of the heat exchanger failed, so I had to replace it.  I took the chance to examine and clean the complete system.  I had all spare parts and the engine-repair-manual, so no problem.   but then I found the following in the workshop repair manual (page 110):

...
If a rubber sleeve is used, lubricate it with a little soap solution. Place the sleeve end of the assembly in the housing and carefully insert the sleeve in the hole in the baffle plate Carefully press the pipe ends of the housing until the journal in the housing is correctly positioned inside the end cover. Do not pull the pipe cluster backwards during installation, as this pulls the sleeve out of the baffle plate. Check through the filler opening that the sleeve is positioned correctly in the baffle plate (B)....

But on the inlet of my heat exchanger there was no sleeve installed (I assume that the sleeve will be installed on the baffle plate to make sure that all the cooling liquid gets pumped through the inlet and there is no other way outside the inlet, makeing cooling efficieny better). I have a sleeve as a spare part, but do not know if it shall be installed or not.  Does anyone know if the rubber sleeve has to be installed at the baffle plate?  I am not sure how to understand the wording in the repair manual:

* if a rubber sleeve is used...     does that mean that the installation of the sleeve is optional - or does it mean that it might be another material, not rubber?

without installing the sleeve I would have the same heat exchanger configuration as before. But that might be wrong, with less cooling efficieny...

thx,

herbert
KALI MERA, SN120, Shelter Bay D11





Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Herbert Lackner
 

one of the end caps of the heat exchanger failed, so I had to replace it.  I took the chance to examine and clean the complete system.  I had all spare parts and the engine-repair-manual, so no problem.   but then I found the following in the workshop repair manual (page 110):

...
If a rubber sleeve is used, lubricate it with a little soap solution. Place the sleeve end of the assembly in the housing and carefully insert the sleeve in the hole in the baffle plate Carefully press the pipe ends of the housing until the journal in the housing is correctly positioned inside the end cover. Do not pull the pipe cluster backwards during installation, as this pulls the sleeve out of the baffle plate. Check through the filler opening that the sleeve is positioned correctly in the baffle plate (B)....

But on the inlet of my heat exchanger there was no sleeve installed (I assume that the sleeve will be installed on the baffle plate to make sure that all the cooling liquid gets pumped through the inlet and there is no other way outside the inlet, makeing cooling efficieny better). I have a sleeve as a spare part, but do not know if it shall be installed or not.  Does anyone know if the rubber sleeve has to be installed at the baffle plate?  I am not sure how to understand the wording in the repair manual:

* if a rubber sleeve is used...     does that mean that the installation of the sleeve is optional - or does it mean that it might be another material, not rubber?

without installing the sleeve I would have the same heat exchanger configuration as before. But that might be wrong, with less cooling efficieny...

thx,

herbert
KALI MERA, SN120, Shelter Bay D11





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

Porter McRoberts
 

Now that’s a “pearl!!”
Porter
54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric,

Eric,

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

Long Answer:
The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz.. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

I hope this helps you and others with this decision. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

Eric,

Yes, I do not like the AC because it will rust when exposed to saltwater. I find it interesting that the AC model was used and specified by Cruisaire.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:15 PM eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
The march pump starting with AC is an open body pump and is not intended for wet environments according to the manufacturer.  I bought the AC-MD-5
and It rusted in a dry locker..
I called March today . They said I should have used the Lc-md-5 it is water cooled and submersible.
I took a look at it --looks like a better choice. same hookup just water cooled.
Fair Winds,
EriSM 376 Kimberlite


On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 03:24 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Eric,

I am not sure what you are referring to. Are you referring to the AC saltwater pump motor? If so, the March Magnetic Drive pump motor is isolated from the saltwater with a magnet. Thus, there is virtually no heat transfer from pump to motor.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 12:58 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I was wondering why the WC (water cooled) units are not recommended? i Think it was an AC-md05 

I did not like the look of the open frame AC air cooled  ( I bought one and just sitting around in a dry locker ir became cooled)  units.


Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Eric,

 

Eric,

 

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

 

Long Answer:

The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer.. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

 

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz.. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

 

I hope this helps you and others with this decision.                          

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

Eric,

I am not sure what you are referring to. Are you referring to the AC saltwater pump motor? If so, the March Magnetic Drive pump motor is isolated from the saltwater with a magnet. Thus, there is virtually no heat transfer from pump to motor.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 12:58 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I was wondering why the WC (water cooled) units are not recommended?

I did not like the look of the open frame AC (air cooled)  units.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Eric,

 

Eric,

 

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

 

Long Answer:

The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer.. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

 

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz.. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

 

I hope this helps you and others with this decision.                          

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

eric freedman
 

Hi Chuck,

What is the agreed upon value of Joy?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 9:52 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

 

 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 

Chuck 

Joy SM 388

 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  

 

I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 

 

Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)

 

I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"



That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  



Can this be correct?



Regards,  John



SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

I was wondering why the WC (water cooled) units are not recommended?

I did not like the look of the open frame AC (air cooled)  units.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Eric,

 

Eric,

 

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

 

Long Answer:

The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

 

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz.. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

 

I hope this helps you and others with this decision.                          

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fie on Fi

Dan Carlson
 

We could not get service in Aruba last month.  But overall we have been very happy with it. We've had it over a year and used from St Martin South to Trinidad and now West to Columbia.  We are not heavy users. 

Dan and Lori Carlson on s BeBe, SM#387




On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:06 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Nowhere else in the world except Martinique have I had problems. It has been on/off. There is no alternative. All carriers rely on local towers. Martinique is the worst that I know of. If you had a local SIM, it is sometimes better because the local carrier gives preference, but I found it impossible as a non-French citizen to get. 

Can you imagine what we did and what it cost in the Caribbean before GoogleFI? And, what about everywhere else?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 12:11 paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

I just want to send out a word of caution to anyone considering switching to Google Fi for cellular telephone and internet.  I think many are interested because of the advertised  "seamless coverage in 147 countries."  Well the old adage that if something seems too good to be true it probably is holds true here.


My wife, son and I all have Google Fi for our carrier, and it was wonderful down here in the eastern Caribbean until recently.  We had good coverage everywhere we went, including Martinique, and then all of a sudden in the middle of cruising with our sons, we lost all coverage, phone and data, while in Martinique.  Since we had no phone or internet and were on the hook we couldn't get support.  When we got to a wifi cafe, we chatted with Google and after many stock interventions, still had no service (this was 2 weeks ago).  They said there was nothing they could do, it wasn't their problem, it was the local carriers.  When we got Dominica service resumed but when we reached Guadeloupe (France again) it was gone again.  Again I found some wifi and contacted customer support (not technical support, they don't seem to have that, only customer support).  They had me do the same interventions which again didn't work.  Again they said sorry nothing they could do and gave me a credit of $20.   We are now back in Martinique and there is still no Google Fi service with no indication it will ever resume.


We were using cellular internet for many things, including weather and email  and phone was critical for organizing the numerous contractors working on my boat.  Very inconvenient to say the least.  We just got back from the local Digicel office where we bought a new plan and have put Google Fi on "pause."


Can't speak for other parts of the world but it appears the whole google fi system hinges on the local carriers in the various countries, and the customer support person actually told me they had "no authority" to contact those carriers??!  So feels like a house of cards to me and suggest you beware.


Any one with lost coverage elsewhere in this watery world?


Paul C.

SM 238 "Maracuya"

Martinique

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi John. 
I told them my boat would not be back to the US. So no coverage there but still us registered. 
Chuck 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Chuck and Dan,
   I chose the Jackline policy from IMIS, finalizing the coverage right now...actually waiting for the bill.   My premium is $4100 USD, probably lower than yours because my boat is older.   Chuck is your boat UK registered?   TopSail told me their underwriters would not cover a US boat in the Caribbean.  

                                            John

SV Annie  SM 37
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,.. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

John Clark
 

Hi Chuck and Dan,
   I chose the Jackline policy from IMIS, finalizing the coverage right now...actually waiting for the bill.   My premium is $4100 USD, probably lower than yours because my boat is older.   Chuck is your boat UK registered?   TopSail told me their underwriters would not cover a US boat in the Caribbean.  

                                            John

SV Annie  SM 37
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

Eric,

Eric,

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

Long Answer:
The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

I hope this helps you and others with this decision. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Dan Carlson
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou