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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
One more thing I would like to add to this thread for everyone that I trust is beneficial. There is another US distributor. I am not sure what is going on with AB Marine and Brunton's, but AB did not share the booth at Anapolis with Brunton's. King Propulsion shared the booth. I know a lot of you have dealt with AB, but I believe that King Propulsion is the Official US Agent & Distributor...at least they say they are at https://kingpropulsion.com/ AND I see no such mention at AB Marine. Also, one of my clients had AB overhaul his AutoProp and one of the bearings was installed reversed, which caused a failure. BTW, King Propulsion diagnosed the problem via a photo I sent him. AB repaired the prop at no charge, but you all know the other costs in exchanging props. King Propulsion is owned and operated by Dr. Roderick (Rod) Sampson Roderick.Sampson"at"kingpropulsion.com . I know Rod and believe he is an expert. Rod is a qualified Naval Architect, versed in propeller and hull form hydrodynamic testing, and a retired University Professor. Both Brunton's UK and King Propulsion are Amel School Preferred Vendors. Another thing I like about Rod is that he has gone to the trouble to create some great videos on AutoProp Service: Plus many other informative videos at: King Propulsion YouTube Channel I hope this helps all of you. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Here is the Calpeda from the UK: https://www.colglo.co.uk/product.php?product=CALPB-CM20. If you are in St. Martin, I suspect that you can find the Calpeda, or at least someone to order it. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Eric, March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/ Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump. Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump. I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Danny Simms
Hi Mark, I haven,t had to replace these pumps but I commend to you regular spraying with a rust inhibitor/ penetrant/water displacer. I use CRC marine 66.
I spray all electric motors, alternators, wiring connections, metal parts in the engine room. Likewise for electrical connections throughout boat. A boat is a harsh salt laden environment. Done this for 10 years. Very happy with results. I have also used corrosion x which is much more expensive. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:55, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Here is a link that might help you:
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http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Sun, 1/13/19, isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019, 5:58 AM Hi Mark, Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6? If so, can you post the source and list of required parts? Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild? Thanks, Mark IsaacSM 391, LuluPuerto Del Rey, PR
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Mark;
Brunton’s factory in the UK has all of the required spares for the H-6. We purchased all parts for a complete re-build last year. Their pricing including shipping was better than the US distributor. You can always get them on the phone and they are all very helpful and knowledgeable and seem to have the AMEL hull numbers on file.
All wrenches and required tools are included in the maintenance kit and required for the rebuild.
Here’s the website for Brunton’s spare parts page. You need to scroll down to H6 for all available spares.
http://bruntonsshop.oxatis.com/autoprop-spares-c102x2839498
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:59 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
Hi Mark,
Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6? If so, can you post the source and list of required parts?
Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild?
Thanks,
Mark Isaac SM 391, Lulu Puerto Del Rey, PR
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Eric, Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 My calendar: https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Good outcome, Herbert, glad to hear it.
Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote : @Craig, it is 54mm, the sleeve is about 1-2 mm (already installed, cannot measure it). it gives an exact fit of the tube and the baffle plate. @Ian: we used this, fit perfect. we have an 1995 MD22A-L (made by Perkins) 1 hour Testrun was ok, difference to before: the coolant tank (our step into the engine room) is not getting as hot as before, cooling system seems to work more efficient. herbert
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
Mark,
Not sure which Mark this was directed to (we seem to be collecting Marks). Here is a source in the USA for AutoProp parts. If you call them and tell them your prop serial number, they will know which kit to send you.
The directions are on this page. There are also a couple of YouTube videos. It is a simple but time consuming process. It will take you at least one full day to do the prop. https://www.ab-marine.com/product/autoprop-roller-bearing-systems/ The tools are necessary whether from them or if you can source other compatible tools. It is possible without the tools but you could damage the prop.
Ask AB Marine to ship USPS and you will not have to pay anything extra to PR.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark,
Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6? If so, can you post the source and list of required parts?
Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild?
Thanks,
Mark Isaac SM 391, Lulu Puerto Del Rey, PR
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Re: Auto Prop Bearings
Mark Isaac
Hi Mark, Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6? If so, can you post the source and list of required parts? Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild? Thanks, Mark Isaac SM 391, Lulu Puerto Del Rey, PR
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Eric,
I couldn’t agree more.
Based on the very bad advice of Coastal Climate Control in the USA, I installed the March AC5-C-MD as a replacement to the original Calpeda pump. The first pump they sold me was defective and I had a difficult time getting them to replace it. The second pump has worked fine and is working satisfactory after 3 years. It was easy to install as it has basically the same footprint. At first, I was happy with the performance of the pump. However, the outer parts of the pump are starting to rust, especially the capacitor housing. I fully expect the pump to have a life expectancy much shorter than I had hoped. It is certainly not a perfect replacement for Calpeda and doesn’t fair well in the Amel engine room. I fully expect to have to replace the pump again during our ownership of Cream Puff.
I have notice on the newer model March AC5-C-MD pumps, the capacitor housing is now encased in what appears to be plastic. Since this is the area rusting the fastest, it is a big improvement on the design of the pump.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump
I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT and there is no way for it to rust. There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
I believe this is the wat to go. Fair Winds Eric
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Eric,
I was curious and looked at the March info. I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor. The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above. They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water. However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time. Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.
Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump
Hi All, I have been reading about the pumps issue and below is what I did. I have had to replace both, a/c and low pressure water maker pumps. I installed the submersible March pump for my A/C in 2016 and it has been running perfectly. I got this pump from tcm@.... Tom Martland is helpful and he will get you the 230v unit at about half the price of any marine chandlery. He shipped to me in EU without any problem. This pump is super quiet. My water maker is only 230v, not the 24vDC/230vAC. I tried a few options for my dessalator low pressure 230v pump with not very good results. The low pressure pump is not low pressure at all, it needs quiet hight pressure in fact! In the end I went back to dessalator in Antibes for the recommended low pressure pump which they have recently upgraded to prevent the stainless steel shaft from rusting which was the problem with the original unit supplied to Amel, this original shaft corroded over years resulting in the need to replace the motor, rebuilding the pump was not cheap either. The new pump unit is now complete (motor and pump) all aluminium with a better quality stainless steel shaft. Hope this is helpful. Best Regards Barry and Penny "Lady Penelope II' Amel 54. #17 Marina di Ragusa, Sicily
On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 1:05:00 AM EST, 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump
I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT and there is no way for it to rust. There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
I believe this is the wat to go. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Eric,
I was curious and looked at the March info. I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor. The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above. They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water. However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time. Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.
Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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March Liquid cooled pump
eric freedman
Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump
I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT and there is no way for it to rust. There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
I believe this is the wat to go. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump
Hi Eric,
I was curious and looked at the March info. I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor. The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above. They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water. However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time. Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.
Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Herbert Lackner
@Craig, it is 54mm, the sleeve is about 1-2 mm (already installed, cannot measure it). it gives an exact fit of the tube and the baffle plate. @Ian: we used this, fit perfect. we have an 1995 MD22A-L (made by Perkins) 1 hour Testrun was ok, difference to before: the coolant tank (our step into the engine room) is not getting as hot as before, cooling system seems to work more efficient. herbert
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
On mine it is a snug fit - probably less than 1-2 mm. Can you measure your core to see if it is 54mm? That should tell you which model you have. Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote : Hi Craig, if you do not have a sleeve installed then the tube goes through the baffle plate with some space (~1-2 mm) left between the plate and the tube. that means that not all the cooling liquid will run through the heat exchanger, some will circulate just through the space between the tube and the plate. right? Has anyone installed the sleeve? I was not installed on mine, but it seems to me that it should be installed... I have a sleeve in my spare parts, just do not know if I make anything better or worse if I install it according to the manual thx, herbert
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Herbert Lackner
solved: After some "sleeve" research I am now sure that the sleeve has to be installed following the workshop manual. I is a little bit tricky to get it to the right place it but in the end all seems to work fine. all parts fit together perfect, and also it makes sense to me to have it installed. I assume that a "mechanic" decided not to install it during last cleaning procedure to get it done faster ... after disassembling / reassembling the heat exchanger three times I got some expertise with that :-) @Bill Rouse - it is for the Volvo and not for the Onan. I attached a picture that shows the sleeve on the tube. thx for your responses, herbert
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Ian Park
Herbert
I bought new end caps from Parts4 Engines. I asked Didier in Le Marin to clean the stack and replace the end caps. On re assembly we found the stack diameter of the new end caps was too small. So we had to put the old ones back. Parts 4 engines said they only stock that size. There was no separate tube. Just the end cap and a push fit inner part. Any more info on this would be useful. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Herbert, I have never seen this rubber sleeve and my Onan parts manual doesn't list the part. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50
Thomas Peacock
Unfortunately, not all TMD-22 engines were created equally. There are many flavors. One of the differences between the flavors is the heat exchanger. You may not be able to reliably extrapolate from one boat to another. I wish I could be more specific.
Tom Peacock Aletes SM 240 St Augustine, Florida
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Hi Eric, I was curious and looked at the March info. I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor. The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above. They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water. However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time. Good luck with your preventative maintenance project. Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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